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Omaha Steve May 25 OP
milestogo May 25 #1
Renew Deal May 25 #2
paleotn May 25 #3
LisaL May 25 #4
paleotn May 25 #6
Submariner May 25 #5
Duppers May 26 #23
DFW May 25 #7
pazzyanne May 25 #8
Coventina May 25 #9
shanti May 25 #16
Fla Dem May 25 #10
Lonestarblue May 25 #11
Duppers May 26 #24
Kid Berwyn May 25 #12
ThingsGottaChange May 25 #13
Sapient Donkey May 25 #14
Judi Lynn May 25 #15
Coventina May 25 #17
flamingdem May 25 #18
Coventina May 25 #19
StarryNite May 25 #20
no matrix May 25 #22
Karadeniz May 25 #21

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:01 AM

1. Domestic violence.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:05 AM

2. Hail Caesar!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:09 AM

3. Our cousins suffer from the same shortcomings as we do.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #3)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:11 AM

4. Gorillas are actually a lot less violent than chimpanzees.

I think humans are a lot more like chimpanzees than gorillas in that department.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #4)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:28 AM

6. Yep. Propensity towards violence...

is much stronger down our line. Who knows what happened to Bonobos.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:23 AM

5. We drove Orcas into madness and despair in Sea World shitholes

we're doing the same thing to the great apes, cetaceans in aquariums and petting ponds, and big cats. We destroy their will to live, and then wonder why they kill us when given the opportunity.

The Seattle Zoo personnel should know better and get their ass in gear and house and care for these captive prisoners properly, even in the middle of a trumpdemic, or fold their tent.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #5)

Tue May 26, 2020, 06:15 AM

23. +100

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:33 AM

7. Gorillas behaving like Republicans. The world has gone mad.

I hope at least that the little one makes a full recovery. It's not his fault he was born in jail.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:52 AM

8. Praying for a complete recover for little Kitoko!

Children of any species need to be protected. Sad when the adults lose their minds and the children become victims.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:12 AM

9. That was the zoo of my childhood. Lots of fond memories.

Very sad story.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #9)

Mon May 25, 2020, 03:32 PM

16. Mine too

The apes there were always hugely popular.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 10:16 AM

10. My heart just sank when I read he suffered as fractured skull.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:02 AM

11. After a trip to Africa a few years ago, I can no longer visit a zoo.

The trip included multiple days of safari, and seeing so many animals free to roam in their natural habitats was amazing. While I know many people cannot go to Africa to see them, the solution to out them in ages or behind bars with little space to roam seems heartless.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #11)

Tue May 26, 2020, 06:18 AM

24. +100

Zoos should be outlawed except for the larger, free-roam ones as in San Diego. We need to do whatever we can to save species in the wild.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

12. Living life in a cage does this to primates.

Ask anyone, except Trumputin.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 01:00 PM

13. Well, that really cheered me up

Do we really need these horrifyingly depressing stories posted here? Is life not bad enough right now? Jeebus.....

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 01:17 PM

14. Poor little guy

Would the gorilla that did that be able to recognize what it did, and would it feel any sort empathy for the baby? Anyone with any expertise on this know?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 01:30 PM

15. Hope care and decency from humans can save him.

Actual concern and integrity still live within some of the human race.

Who knows how safe any gorillas are now as their homes in nature are destroyed by insatiable greedy humans who will never stop until they have reduced everything to dust.

Such sad news. This was not natural behavior.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 04:13 PM

17. I see a ton of ignorance about zoos and their mission on this thread.

First of all, zoos are no longer freaky side-shows primarily for human entertainment.
Such establishments are an abomination and reputable zoos actively work to get them shut down.
They often end up with the traumatized animals from such places.

They also end up with a lot of other animals that would otherwise be euthanized:

the illegal exotic pet trade
injured wild animals that cannot survive on their own, due to the nature of their injuries
"problem" animals that wildlife agents would otherwise kill (orphaned bear cubs, seals who become habituated to people, etc.)

They also are breeding sanctuaries for endangered species to recover and be sent back out into the wild.
Many critically endangered species only survive because of the breeding programs in zoos, where young are raised until they can survive in the wild on their own.


Also, in order to be a reputable zoo, they must have space, environment, and enrichment that serves the animals' needs.
A zoo environment is never going to be "perfect" just as the wild is never "perfect" either.
But reputable zoos are constantly improving, and getting to where their animals do not feel caged, restless, bored, or depressed.

And, that is what, ironically, caused this sad situation. Gorillas need to be in family groups. Peace is usually kept by the silverback male, who arbitrates the behavior of the family. Somehow, in this case, things got out of hand. It is tragic, but not due to the fact that this family troop was in a zoo. Thousands of baby gorillas have grown up in zoo families without incident.

Please try to be somewhat informed about what a zoo actually is, before passing judgement.
That's all I ask.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #17)

Mon May 25, 2020, 04:17 PM

18. Thank you for this info - San Diego has a wonderful

safari park and zoo and they focus on species preservation not exploitation.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #18)

Mon May 25, 2020, 04:22 PM

19. Yes, the San Diego Zoo is a fantastic organization!!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #17)

Mon May 25, 2020, 04:22 PM

20. Exactly!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #17)

Mon May 25, 2020, 09:47 PM

22. Secrets of the Zoo on National Geographic Disney+

Columbus Zoo and Tampa Zoo are featured on this series.
[link:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/shows/secrets-of-the-zoo|

We binged watched this several times on Disney+ with our 8 yr. old granddaughter during our quarantine.

The dedication displayed these facilities, is heartwarming. Some of these animals are taken in because their mothers were hunted and killed. They needed surrogate mothers immediately.

Restored my faith in humanity. Really.

Thanks for bringing this to light.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2020, 06:39 PM

21. Get well soon, Kitoko! You're an adorable doll and we love you!❤

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