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Judi Lynn

(160,218 posts)
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:23 PM May 2020

Texas mayor says women can't lead prayer at council meetings

Source: Associated Press

Updated 2:58 pm CDT, Thursday, May 21, 2020

WYLIE, Texas (AP) — The mayor of a Dallas suburb told a fellow City Council member in an email that women shouldn’t be allowed to lead prayer at public meetings because he believes it goes against teachings in the Bible.

Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue quoted two New Testament scriptures in the email sent to City Council member Jeff Forrester in which he suggested that the council instead select young men to give the invocation at the next meeting on May 26.

“All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men,” Hogue, who is currently serving his last term as mayor after 12 years, wrote on May 17. “As a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ, we take the two verses below literally.”

He then cites a passage in 1 Corinthians that, according to his email, says: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-mayor-says-women-can-t-lead-prayer-at-15286691.php







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Texas mayor says women can't lead prayer at council meetings (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2020 OP
This jackass needs to be introduced to the US Constitution... Alacritous Crier May 2020 #1
Introduced to the 20th century central scrutinizer May 2020 #20
Maybe even the 21st... rickyhall May 2020 #33
Whose family? Duppers May 2020 #64
Dear women of Wylie... RobertDevereaux May 2020 #2
He should consult with IQ45 MyOwnPeace May 2020 #3
Kick & recommend for visibility. Birthplace of Wylie Coyote? bronxiteforever May 2020 #4
I didn't know he was from Texas. rickyhall May 2020 #34
I was wrong. Looks like he came from Mark Twain bronxiteforever May 2020 #40
Pervert. moreland01 May 2020 #5
I thought the same thing. RVN VET71 May 2020 #24
The little girl in the picture is DEFINITELY in danger. Withywindle May 2020 #63
And when she strays and her husband beats her RVN VET71 May 2020 #73
I'll take "What would the Taliban do," for $500, Alex. ffr May 2020 #6
Those problems with trying to run a theocracy exboyfil May 2020 #7
Zactly. 👍 Duppers May 2020 #66
How about not having prayer at government meetings jberryhill May 2020 #8
That's the best solution. LuvNewcastle May 2020 #29
Whooow! What a concept! Genius ! nt reACTIONary May 2020 #67
He only wants "young men". CaptYossarian May 2020 #9
Sorry, but there should never be any "prayer" SoCalNative May 2020 #10
Completely agree. Pacifist Patriot May 2020 #14
Exactly. Rizen May 2020 #17
Ummm, that's illegal, all,of it. jeffreyi May 2020 #19
Clearest, cleanest, easiest, most moral solution. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #21
+1,000 n/t MarcA May 2020 #42
Church & State Duppers May 2020 #65
I'm sorry, but I despise these people paleotn May 2020 #11
As a female minister, I have but two words. Pacifist Patriot May 2020 #12
why is almost always qazplm135 May 2020 #13
Why is there prayer at public council meetings? WestLosAngelesGal May 2020 #15
And the good reverend fatty-fat-fat's "reasoning" RVN VET71 May 2020 #27
I wonder if his assistant is looking up the word "antediluvian" as I type this.i niyad May 2020 #16
antediluvian would be before the Flood jberryhill May 2020 #46
Thank you. I hate this damned autocorrect, and I don't always catch its "corrections". niyad May 2020 #51
I dunno, I like new words jberryhill May 2020 #52
I will keep that in mind. I like new words as well. Just wish we did not need so many to describe niyad May 2020 #54
Aprs-moi-diluvian. nt reACTIONary May 2020 #68
WHICH flood? not_the_one May 2020 #71
Do they take 'stoning to death' literally? keithbvadu2 May 2020 #18
They would if the damn gubmint would let them. OriginalGeek May 2020 #28
I don't see a punishment decreed for such a disobedience. keithbvadu2 May 2020 #35
Congratulations on getting free. 3catwoman3 May 2020 #47
Thank you but It cost me a relationship with my mom OriginalGeek May 2020 #70
I hope he had no political aspirations outside of his county, because this one will haunt him. C Moon May 2020 #22
One wonders if he eats pork sakabatou May 2020 #23
No, that would be like eating his own kind. StarryNite May 2020 #43
Can't reason w/ them. It's illegal to smack them. Solly Mack May 2020 #25
Freedom of religion - theirs, not yours keithbvadu2 May 2020 #59
Yep Solly Mack May 2020 #60
Get your FUCKING CHURCH out of my government!! Coventina May 2020 #26
My evangelical siblings would agree. left-of-center2012 May 2020 #30
How Convenient! ProfessorGAC May 2020 #58
Public prayer should be interfaith, not catering to one person's interpretation. Karadeniz May 2020 #31
Well, my faith objects to public prayer jberryhill May 2020 #48
Jesus' views about praying in public. Matt 6:5&6 sarge43 May 2020 #32
They tend to quote Paul and never safeinOhio May 2020 #37
They use the Bible's Cliff Notes. n/t sarge43 May 2020 #50
"Let your women keep silence in the churches" SeattleVet May 2020 #36
Um, somebody should tell that smarmy jackass about a little thing called the First Amendment. catbyte May 2020 #38
Wylie is in Collin County. It's a lot of what Dallas was in the 50s and 60s. MarcA May 2020 #39
Is that a sack of shit he's holding in his hand, or is he just an asshole? maxrandb May 2020 #41
"young men" StarryNite May 2020 #44
He's basing policy on the opinion of one Corinthian? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #45
Weapons-grade stoopid. lastlib May 2020 #49
Young men. Turbineguy May 2020 #53
Huh! That's Saul of Tarsus' writings, not the words of Jesus. patphil May 2020 #55
Heretic. mwooldri May 2020 #56
He's not incorrect about the Bible verses advising women not to teach and lead in church. Collimator May 2020 #57
Men wrote the Bible he quotes from - what a racket, eh? Talitha May 2020 #61
He's mostly correct. No one should. nt Gore1FL May 2020 #62
Yeah, I was thinking maybe it's just a starting point jberryhill May 2020 #69
Once Biden is in office not_the_one May 2020 #72

RobertDevereaux

(1,841 posts)
2. Dear women of Wylie...
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:28 PM
May 2020

I wonder if you recall your mayor’s name.

If so, I wonder if you might recall him.

Blessed be!

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
3. He should consult with IQ45
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:29 PM
May 2020

to ask what his buddies, you know, the TWO CORINTHIANS, just what would THEY do?

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
40. I was wrong. Looks like he came from Mark Twain
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:51 PM
May 2020

Wile E. Coyote. Jones based the Coyote on Mark Twain's book Roughing It, in which Twain described the coyote as "a long, slim, sick and sorry-looking skeleton" that is "a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_the_Road_Runner

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
24. I thought the same thing.
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:58 PM
May 2020

And, while I hate to judge people, he looks the type.

(I do not hate to judge people who judge other people, especially near morbidly obese people hankering for young men who belittle women, all women, judging them to be inferior in the eyes of his apparently bi-curious god.)

Also, part of me wanted to cry out to that last photo:"Those children are in imminent danger!" -- but there I go, judging a smug judge again.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
63. The little girl in the picture is DEFINITELY in danger.
Fri May 22, 2020, 06:15 AM
May 2020

Maybe not of being molested, immediately.

But certainly in grave danger of being taught that her voice doesn't matter and shouldn't be heard, that her rightful role is to obey and serve, and that her own dreams and goals don't matter, so she shouldn't even bother daring to have them.

I'm sure it's already happening.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
73. And when she strays and her husband beats her
Sat May 23, 2020, 08:35 AM
May 2020

she'll say a prayer of thanks to the god she's been told to worship, thanks that he gave her to such a righteous man. (Sigh!)

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
7. Those problems with trying to run a theocracy
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:33 PM
May 2020

Just wait until a Muslim or a Pastafarian or a Satanist wants to do the invocation.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
29. That's the best solution.
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:12 PM
May 2020

Once you let one asshole bring his religion into public meetings, they start having holy wars with each other. Why does every meeting have to begin with a fucking prayer? Does God have opinions on zoning ordinances and trash pick-up? There's just no place for it.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
10. Sorry, but there should never be any "prayer"
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:35 PM
May 2020

at ANY government meeting. Period. And yes, that goes for Congress as well.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
65. Church & State
Fri May 22, 2020, 06:55 AM
May 2020

The Constitution had something to say about that but good luck getting Congress to abide by the laws.

WestLosAngelesGal

(268 posts)
15. Why is there prayer at public council meetings?
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:41 PM
May 2020

This seems like a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
27. And the good reverend fatty-fat-fat's "reasoning"
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:06 PM
May 2020

is goddam exactly why the constitution forbids that kind of prayer.

Yes, dammit, I'm fat shaming this pederastic-looking gynophobe. Because his corpulence, alone, proves his vanity and lack of the kind of discipline his so-called "faith" should (and probably does) require of its believers. So he's a gynophobe, a glutton, and a hypocrite. (I've referenced his obvious preference for "young men" elsewhere.)

niyad

(112,435 posts)
16. I wonder if his assistant is looking up the word "antediluvian" as I type this.i
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:41 PM
May 2020

Last edited Thu May 21, 2020, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)

She did not seem to understand it.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
54. I will keep that in mind. I like new words as well. Just wish we did not need so many to describe
Thu May 21, 2020, 07:25 PM
May 2020

the current state of our world.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
71. WHICH flood?
Fri May 22, 2020, 11:58 AM
May 2020

Planet earth has had many floods, from many causes, over the eons.

This is just another twisted and spun, natural flood. The flood of the bible (which, obviously, took place within the last 6,000 years) is nonsensical.

Look at what is happening right now. The ice caps/glaciers are melting. Even when they have fully melted (hopefully that will never happen) there would not be near enough water to cover the entire planet's surface. Yet that is what the biblical flood implies. Sure, there are layers of silt in many places that says there was water a lot places, that isn't present now. But covering the entire planet?

I call horse hockey!!!

keithbvadu2

(36,369 posts)
18. Do they take 'stoning to death' literally?
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:43 PM
May 2020

Do they take 'stoning to death' literally?

That's in the Bible.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
28. They would if the damn gubmint would let them.
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:11 PM
May 2020

I was shocked when I escaped my fundamentalist upbringing that not everyone thought women should be subservient to men.


Turns out those dumbfucks were wrong about a lot of things and they still are.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
70. Thank you but It cost me a relationship with my mom
Fri May 22, 2020, 11:01 AM
May 2020

for most of my life from age 17 until my late 40s although in the few years before she died we had some reconciliation where she finally accepted me for what I am and not what her church thought I should be. She didn't like it but she accepted it.

My step-father can rot for all I care and thankfully I no longer have to involve him in any part of my life.

Solly Mack

(90,740 posts)
25. Can't reason w/ them. It's illegal to smack them.
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:59 PM
May 2020

You don't want one living in the house with you. Even as a neighbor, they're still too close.

The neighborhood isn't big enough for one of them. Even the city is made less by them.

They spoil the county and a state gets a minus for each and every one of them.

The country suffers from their existence.

They demand that everyone around them bow down to their beliefs and to remain silent in the doing. Otherwise, they claim that by not getting their way - and their way always means trampling on the rights of others - (but unless they get their way) they are being discriminated against for being a persecuted and put-upon christain.

They are so incredibly tiresome.

No point, really.

Simply expressing my contempt for them.

If you're not foisting your religion on others in any way whatsoever, then you're not one of them.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
30. My evangelical siblings would agree.
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:15 PM
May 2020

They say a woman needs to be silent in religious matters.

They also like Trump's "christian values",
saying :
"Christians aren't perfect - they're forgiven."

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
58. How Convenient!
Thu May 21, 2020, 09:31 PM
May 2020

It's OK to act like an ass, because I'm forgiven! Intellectually lazy nonsense.
Their belief of that is inherently evil.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
32. Jesus' views about praying in public. Matt 6:5&6
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:21 PM
May 2020

Quote this one, Mr Mayor

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou last shut thy door, pray to the Father which is in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
37. They tend to quote Paul and never
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:46 PM
May 2020

those words in red. Blessed are the persecuted...
But then, they get to pick and choose.

SeattleVet

(5,468 posts)
36. "Let your women keep silence in the churches"
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:34 PM
May 2020

It's a council meeting, not a church, you fucking moron.

Do whatever the fuck you want in your church.

Also, why does there have to be a prayer at a council meeting?

catbyte

(34,174 posts)
38. Um, somebody should tell that smarmy jackass about a little thing called the First Amendment.
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:46 PM
May 2020

WTF is a governmental body doing leading off with a prayer anyway? (I know, I know. It's Texas, but still...)

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
39. Wylie is in Collin County. It's a lot of what Dallas was in the 50s and 60s.
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:50 PM
May 2020

His leering,arrogant looks and loud mouth tells it all. Just another authoritarian
who thinks he is a god.

patphil

(6,035 posts)
55. Huh! That's Saul of Tarsus' writings, not the words of Jesus.
Thu May 21, 2020, 07:30 PM
May 2020

Not to be confused with spiritual truth.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
56. Heretic.
Thu May 21, 2020, 07:34 PM
May 2020

One cannot take lines of the New Testament letters and apply them literally. They were written aiming at a specific audience with a specific situation in mind. To twist and pick and choose lines from the text is a perversion of the Bible itself and in my mind it's heresy.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
57. He's not incorrect about the Bible verses advising women not to teach and lead in church.
Thu May 21, 2020, 09:08 PM
May 2020

As a number of others have pointed out, council meetings are not church.

Still, I find it amusing considering the high regard that Trump's Major Cheerleader/Spiritual Advisor Paula White holds with the Bible crowd given that she--a woman-- is a very loud, obvious leader in her oh-so-Christian-church.

If you want to claim the authority of the divinity written about in the Bible, then you have to respect the authority of the words supposedly dictated by that divinity to the writers of the Bible. You can't have it one way in one situation, and another way in a different situation.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
69. Yeah, I was thinking maybe it's just a starting point
Fri May 22, 2020, 07:36 AM
May 2020

Instead of criticizing him, just build on the concept of not allowing people to pray at government meetings.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
72. Once Biden is in office
Fri May 22, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

WE need to, collectively, shove the ERA down THEIR collective throats.

Fuck their hermaphroditic god, and the dinosaur his so-called "son" rode in on.

(Man, as in humankind, is made in God's image, therefore God must have both male and female biology. Therefore s/he MUST be a hermaphrodite. The exhortations of this pastor, however, allows the male to take supremacy and the female must be subservient. Fucking convenient, isn't it?)

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