Texas mayor says women can't lead prayer at council meetings
Source: Associated Press
Updated 2:58 pm CDT, Thursday, May 21, 2020
WYLIE, Texas (AP) The mayor of a Dallas suburb told a fellow City Council member in an email that women shouldnt be allowed to lead prayer at public meetings because he believes it goes against teachings in the Bible.
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue quoted two New Testament scriptures in the email sent to City Council member Jeff Forrester in which he suggested that the council instead select young men to give the invocation at the next meeting on May 26.
All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men, Hogue, who is currently serving his last term as mayor after 12 years, wrote on May 17. As a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ, we take the two verses below literally.
He then cites a passage in 1 Corinthians that, according to his email, says: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-mayor-says-women-can-t-lead-prayer-at-15286691.php
Alacritous Crier
(3,805 posts)What an embarrassment!
central scrutinizer
(11,617 posts)I pity your family
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)I'll be so glad when our country moves into the current century.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Alacritous Crier's?
RobertDevereaux
(1,841 posts)I wonder if you recall your mayors name.
If so, I wonder if you might recall him.
Blessed be!
MyOwnPeace
(16,888 posts)to ask what his buddies, you know, the TWO CORINTHIANS, just what would THEY do?
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Thou shalt not slay the roadrunner
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Wile E. Coyote. Jones based the Coyote on Mark Twain's book Roughing It, in which Twain described the coyote as "a long, slim, sick and sorry-looking skeleton" that is "a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_the_Road_Runner
moreland01
(735 posts)"All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men"
RVN VET71
(2,686 posts)And, while I hate to judge people, he looks the type.
(I do not hate to judge people who judge other people, especially near morbidly obese people hankering for young men who belittle women, all women, judging them to be inferior in the eyes of his apparently bi-curious god.)
Also, part of me wanted to cry out to that last photo:"Those children are in imminent danger!" -- but there I go, judging a smug judge again.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Maybe not of being molested, immediately.
But certainly in grave danger of being taught that her voice doesn't matter and shouldn't be heard, that her rightful role is to obey and serve, and that her own dreams and goals don't matter, so she shouldn't even bother daring to have them.
I'm sure it's already happening.
RVN VET71
(2,686 posts)she'll say a prayer of thanks to the god she's been told to worship, thanks that he gave her to such a righteous man. (Sigh!)
ffr
(22,649 posts)exboyfil
(17,857 posts)Just wait until a Muslim or a Pastafarian or a Satanist wants to do the invocation.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)Once you let one asshole bring his religion into public meetings, they start having holy wars with each other. Why does every meeting have to begin with a fucking prayer? Does God have opinions on zoning ordinances and trash pick-up? There's just no place for it.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)So did Ted Haggard.
"Harry Potter and the Closeted Caveman"?
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)at ANY government meeting. Period. And yes, that goes for Congress as well.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,647 posts)They serve no civic purpose whatsoever.
I'm an atheist and strongly believe in separation of church and state.
jeffreyi
(1,934 posts)Pussgut jerk.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,789 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)The Constitution had something to say about that but good luck getting Congress to abide by the laws.
paleotn
(17,781 posts)I truly do.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,647 posts)Fuck him.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)a fat white guy?
WestLosAngelesGal
(268 posts)This seems like a clear violation of the separation of church and state.
RVN VET71
(2,686 posts)is goddam exactly why the constitution forbids that kind of prayer.
Yes, dammit, I'm fat shaming this pederastic-looking gynophobe. Because his corpulence, alone, proves his vanity and lack of the kind of discipline his so-called "faith" should (and probably does) require of its believers. So he's a gynophobe, a glutton, and a hypocrite. (I've referenced his obvious preference for "young men" elsewhere.)
niyad
(112,435 posts)Last edited Thu May 21, 2020, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)
She did not seem to understand it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)antidiluvian, I guess would be opposed to the Flood?
niyad
(112,435 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Antidiluvian is a good one.
niyad
(112,435 posts)the current state of our world.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Planet earth has had many floods, from many causes, over the eons.
This is just another twisted and spun, natural flood. The flood of the bible (which, obviously, took place within the last 6,000 years) is nonsensical.
Look at what is happening right now. The ice caps/glaciers are melting. Even when they have fully melted (hopefully that will never happen) there would not be near enough water to cover the entire planet's surface. Yet that is what the biblical flood implies. Sure, there are layers of silt in many places that says there was water a lot places, that isn't present now. But covering the entire planet?
I call horse hockey!!!
keithbvadu2
(36,369 posts)Do they take 'stoning to death' literally?
That's in the Bible.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I was shocked when I escaped my fundamentalist upbringing that not everyone thought women should be subservient to men.
Turns out those dumbfucks were wrong about a lot of things and they still are.
keithbvadu2
(36,369 posts)3catwoman3
(23,820 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)for most of my life from age 17 until my late 40s although in the few years before she died we had some reconciliation where she finally accepted me for what I am and not what her church thought I should be. She didn't like it but she accepted it.
My step-father can rot for all I care and thankfully I no longer have to involve him in any part of my life.
C Moon
(12,188 posts)sakabatou
(42,083 posts)StarryNite
(9,366 posts)No offense to pigs.
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)You don't want one living in the house with you. Even as a neighbor, they're still too close.
The neighborhood isn't big enough for one of them. Even the city is made less by them.
They spoil the county and a state gets a minus for each and every one of them.
The country suffers from their existence.
They demand that everyone around them bow down to their beliefs and to remain silent in the doing. Otherwise, they claim that by not getting their way - and their way always means trampling on the rights of others - (but unless they get their way) they are being discriminated against for being a persecuted and put-upon christain.
They are so incredibly tiresome.
No point, really.
Simply expressing my contempt for them.
If you're not foisting your religion on others in any way whatsoever, then you're not one of them.
keithbvadu2
(36,369 posts)Freedom of religion - theirs, not yours
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)Coventina
(26,874 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)They say a woman needs to be silent in religious matters.
They also like Trump's "christian values",
saying :
"Christians aren't perfect - they're forgiven."
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)It's OK to act like an ass, because I'm forgiven! Intellectually lazy nonsense.
Their belief of that is inherently evil.
Karadeniz
(22,279 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, how do I get included?
sarge43
(28,939 posts)Quote this one, Mr Mayor
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou last shut thy door, pray to the Father which is in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
safeinOhio
(32,531 posts)those words in red. Blessed are the persecuted...
But then, they get to pick and choose.
sarge43
(28,939 posts)SeattleVet
(5,468 posts)It's a council meeting, not a church, you fucking moron.
Do whatever the fuck you want in your church.
Also, why does there have to be a prayer at a council meeting?
catbyte
(34,174 posts)WTF is a governmental body doing leading off with a prayer anyway? (I know, I know. It's Texas, but still...)
MarcA
(2,195 posts)His leering,arrogant looks and loud mouth tells it all. Just another authoritarian
who thinks he is a god.
maxrandb
(15,192 posts)StarryNite
(9,366 posts)Sounds like a predator.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,283 posts)That's not statistically significant!
lastlib
(22,981 posts)Just. No. Words.
Turbineguy
(37,212 posts)Fundie churches have Chior Boys?
patphil
(6,035 posts)Not to be confused with spiritual truth.
mwooldri
(10,291 posts)One cannot take lines of the New Testament letters and apply them literally. They were written aiming at a specific audience with a specific situation in mind. To twist and pick and choose lines from the text is a perversion of the Bible itself and in my mind it's heresy.
Collimator
(1,639 posts)As a number of others have pointed out, council meetings are not church.
Still, I find it amusing considering the high regard that Trump's Major Cheerleader/Spiritual Advisor Paula White holds with the Bible crowd given that she--a woman-- is a very loud, obvious leader in her oh-so-Christian-church.
If you want to claim the authority of the divinity written about in the Bible, then you have to respect the authority of the words supposedly dictated by that divinity to the writers of the Bible. You can't have it one way in one situation, and another way in a different situation.
Talitha
(6,479 posts)And hotdamn he's creepy looking!
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Instead of criticizing him, just build on the concept of not allowing people to pray at government meetings.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)WE need to, collectively, shove the ERA down THEIR collective throats.
Fuck their hermaphroditic god, and the dinosaur his so-called "son" rode in on.
(Man, as in humankind, is made in God's image, therefore God must have both male and female biology. Therefore s/he MUST be a hermaphrodite. The exhortations of this pastor, however, allows the male to take supremacy and the female must be subservient. Fucking convenient, isn't it?)