13 USS Theodore Roosevelt sailors test positive after recovering from Covid-19

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Source: Politico

By LARA SELIGMAN
05/16/2020 03:28 PM EDT

Thirteen sailors aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive again for Covid-19 after recovering from the disease and returning to the ship, which has been stranded in Guam since late March after an outbreak of the virus, according to two U.S. defense officials.

The Roosevelt's crew began returning to the ship in late April after spending a month either in quarantine or isolation in Guam. But sailors in early May began showing symptoms of the virus, such as a cough and fever, despite testing negative twice.

Some of the sailors who returned to the ship showed expanded symptoms, including body aches and headaches, according to one official. This has slowed the move back onto the ship, as all sailors who return must have been symptom-free for three days and have tested negative twice, as well as completed their isolation period.

CNN first reported on Thursday that five sailors had tested positive after reboarding the ship, so the new number means the positive cases have more than doubled. The 13 Covid-positive sailors have been removed from the ship and are back in isolation on U.S. Naval Base Guam, according to the officials.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/16/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-coronavirus-261873

[Iliyah]

1. So people can get it again . ..

[JudyM]

3. Could be false negative testing results, pretty common.

The article also doesn’t say what type of tests were used.

[Salviati]

7. Right. The more we test, the more false negatives we're going to get

and news stories are built on anecdotes, not data.

This is worth study, but not panic at the moment. Maybe the virus hangs on hovering around the detectable/not detectable level for longer than we thought. Maybe these results are within what is to be expected given the failure rate of the tests.

It would be worth bit of panic if we get stories of people who had been stricken with the disease, recovered, proceeded to test negative for a while, and then are stricken with the disease again (not just testing positive).

Tests are fallible, and I don't believe there are any reports of anyone coming down with the disease after recovering. We don't know if it's possible or not, but so far I haven't heard of any cases like that.

[iemitsu]

15. This article says the sailors had tested negative twice

then got symptoms again. this is why they were re-tested and discovered to be positive again.
Could be just bad tests but these guys had symptoms.

[dem4decades]

8. I'd like the doctors and the scientists take on this. Or Trump's hunch of course.

[JudyM]

16. Lol trump's hunch. We know they've found the virus

live in the stool of people testing negative. It seems to like to hang it in the body for an extended period of time, undetected. Similar to being asymptomatically present for a couple weeks in the beginnning of its stay. Absence of symptoms doesn’t seem to be at all dispositive.

[Warpy]

9. Body aches suggest it might be flu or bacterial superinfection

so I hope they're testing for that to rule it out.

I'm having trouble buying this so soon after the initial infection. Unless this virus is significantly different from all the others we know about, I honestly think closer investigation will disprove either a chronic, relapsing or a chronic progressive illness.

[ancianita]

2. This is worth an antibody study.

[SheltieLover]

4. Maybe

In some people, perhaps the virus reactivates? Not a medical pro, but this is weird & not the 1st reports of reinfections.

[winstars]

5. Question: Were they tested on the "game changer" Abbott machine that may actually suck???

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. My question also.

We have no way of knowing how many types of tests there, or who certifies them or who owns them...
There does not appear to be any standard at all.

[Ford_Prefect]

6. Maybe, just maybe, the hypothesis regarding immunity needs further testing

in the field.

Let's forget the hype for a moment.

Could it be that some of the COVID-19 survivors aren't as immune as some of the others seem to be?
Despite the most recent headlines could it be that there are some variations or mutations in the strains?
Could it be that some of the treatment for COVID-19 doesn't grant the same degree of immunity to all patients?
Could it be that immunity has a shorter span of time for some patients, if they had it at all?

[groundloop]

12. I'd read a week ago of a study indicating that 'reinfection' was simply a result of bad tests

I can't find a link, but the story indicated that getting sick again within a relatively short period of time was not happening and attributed the supposed reinfections to testing errors.

[Ford_Prefect]

13. You think they should ask the 13 sailors how imaginary their symptoms are?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

I think it is very early days to be saying a thing is absolutely certain either way regarding COVID-19 immunity. I respect that the people who have reported thus far are serious, experienced and talented enough to feel they have meaningful information and consequential results. I have no doubt they can show us how what they say is true.

I'm not being contrarian in saying that results published responsibly have seemed to to be contradicted by real circumstances and consequences. I feel that there is much more than meets the eye, so to speak, in this pandemic and how it is playing out.

I do not doubt that we are facing a world threatening and world altering catastrophe. One made worse by ignorance, arrogance, anti-intellectualism, anti-vax fools, and dangerously anti-democratic tyrants and their minions.

I am quite aware of the toxic, aggressive, infectious and variable impact of COVID-19.

What I am saying is that there seem at times to be many responsible voices debating the danger and the truths and I will think we don't have enough consistent results to know the full range of accurate.

[zentrum]

10. Something is really

.....contaminated on that ship.

[flibbitygiblets]

14. I can't wait to hear Dr. Tronald J Dump's take on all this

I'm guessing he'll theorize that they're deep state operatives trying to drive up the numbers to make him look bad.