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George II

(67,782 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:42 PM Mar 2020

White supremacists are encouraging members to infect Jews with coronavirus: FBI

Source: ABC News via Rawstory



The FBI is warning that white supremacists have started encouraging their followers to contract COVID-19 and then intentionally spread it to police officers and Jews.

ABC News reports that the FBI’s New York office sent out an alert recently that warned neo-Nazi groups are pushing members to spread the virus though “bodily fluids and personal interactions” to their perceived enemies.

“The FBI alert, which went out on Thursday, told local police agencies that extremists want their followers to try to use spray bottles to spread bodily fluids to cops on the street,” ABC News reports. “The extremists are also directing followers to spread the disease to Jews by going “any place they may be congregated, to include markets, political offices, businesses and places of worship.”

Michael Masters, the head of Secure Communities Network that coordinates security for synagogues, tells ABC News that neo-Nazis have been claiming that Jews are responsible for the spread of the virus in the United States.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/white-supremacists-are-encouraging-members-to-infect-jews-with-coronavirus-fbi/



This is what happens when you have a fascist in the white house.
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White supremacists are encouraging members to infect Jews with coronavirus: FBI (Original Post) George II Mar 2020 OP
Ignorant jerks. Why do they think they'd survive and someone else wouldn't? ... marble falls Mar 2020 #1
I'm sure BGBD Mar 2020 #20
Don't you mean gooberschleppers? marble falls Mar 2020 #21
Should go without saying: Not Antifa, not Muslims, not immigrants, not Syrian refugees ck4829 Mar 2020 #2
I hope they infect their own families and friends instead. Screw the nazis. kysrsoze Mar 2020 #3
If law enforcement knows of these plans, Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #4
too many Klansmen in the departments 47of74 Mar 2020 #5
It most definitely would have been different if Lincoln was not assassinated sdfernando Mar 2020 #10
How would it have been different sarisataka Mar 2020 #14
You mean other than than Lincoln wouldn't have vetoed rights to released slaves, among other things? marble falls Mar 2020 #24
Maybe, or maybe not sarisataka Mar 2020 #30
I think I may have misunderstood you. To be clear: in the immediate aftermath of the civil war ... marble falls Mar 2020 #34
I think had Lincoln lived it would have been better for all parties sarisataka Mar 2020 #36
Thats my sense of the history of it too. I'd argue though, that after Reconstruction ... marble falls Mar 2020 #39
Just an opinion sarisataka Mar 2020 #42
Revisionist history, The proximate cause of the war was slavery. The Federal government ... marble falls Mar 2020 #44
If you are going to attribute a quote to me sarisataka Mar 2020 #49
Yeah, its called the Emancipation Proclamation. Do you have any indication in documentation ... marble falls Mar 2020 #54
"Lincoln freed the slaves" sarisataka Mar 2020 #55
Not very. Republicans soon colluded with Democrats, resulting in a century of Jim Crow. Marcuse Mar 2020 #25
It is quite possible Lincoln would have sarisataka Mar 2020 #31
Sacrifice the rights of a people we fought a bloody war with traitors for five years that took ... marble falls Mar 2020 #37
You are making the common mistake sarisataka Mar 2020 #41
If liberals were threatening to infect a particular group in this manner... SpankMe Mar 2020 #6
We can only hope... Jirel Mar 2020 #7
"Very fine people on both sides" bluescribbler Mar 2020 #8
dunkoffs AllaN01Bear Mar 2020 #9
Time to round up Nazis and quarantine them in internment camps IronLionZion Mar 2020 #11
Delicious. JudyM Mar 2020 #60
conspiracy to commit murder perhaps.... dhill926 Mar 2020 #12
Are they assuming their Aryan blood will protect them? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #13
Probably. sandensea Mar 2020 #40
Thanks for the reminder! BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #46
Sure. sandensea Mar 2020 #47
Tough to know... BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #48
"A fistful of convenient contradictory views" sandensea Mar 2020 #50
Oh the fucking irony! Behind the Aegis Mar 2020 #15
I think the second part of your comment paints with way too wide of a brush. nt Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #17
Think what you'd like; I think the brush is about that wide. Behind the Aegis Mar 2020 #18
Nice passive aggressive shitting on an ally. Thanks for 'splainin it all to me. nt Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #28
Speaking of passive aggressive... Behind the Aegis Mar 2020 #45
You're welcome. My Jewish partner says "Hi". nt Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Mar 2020 #52
Real allies stand up for the group they're allying with Withywindle Mar 2020 #53
Thanks for 'splainin' all that to me. nt Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #56
You don't get out enough. Racism and antisemitism is worse than ever and I don't see ... marble falls Mar 2020 #22
Considering that I firmly believe that the only good nazis are dead nazis, you are telling the wrong Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #27
What are you mad at me for? I honestly was responding to your comment, I don't know anything ... marble falls Mar 2020 #29
Peace. nt Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #32
Trump's fellow nationalists. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #16
This sounds too stupid to be real. Firestorm49 Mar 2020 #19
Trump sounded too stupid to be President. Yet there he is. Stupid is the hallmark of anything ... marble falls Mar 2020 #23
Those are trump supporters rockfordfile Mar 2020 #26
White ISIS DashOneBravo Mar 2020 #33
I've been saying this since Charlottesville. Initech Mar 2020 #38
That may be where I got that. DashOneBravo Mar 2020 #59
This is terrorism. Hell, it's bio terrorism. Initech Mar 2020 #35
Eco-Sabotage equals Eco-Terrorism. Bio-Terrorism/Attempted Murder equals White Supremacy/Extremism captain jack Mar 2020 #43
It wouldn't have to be violent or hurt. . . BigDemVoter Mar 2020 #57
Kick ck4829 Mar 2020 #58

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
1. Ignorant jerks. Why do they think they'd survive and someone else wouldn't? ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

What makes these Nazis think they'll find medical treatment for themselves when most of them don't seem able to find a Dentist?

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
2. Should go without saying: Not Antifa, not Muslims, not immigrants, not Syrian refugees
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:49 PM
Mar 2020

Why can't these white supremacists assimilate into American society?

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
4. If law enforcement knows of these plans,
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:58 PM
Mar 2020

then law enforcement knows who the leadership is.
Why won't law enforcement "remove" the leadership?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
5. too many Klansmen in the departments
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020

They sympathize with these fuck sticks.

I personally think we should have been harder on the south after the Civil War. I think we would have prevented a lot of problems if we had given them more than a slap on the wrist.

sdfernando

(4,897 posts)
10. It most definitely would have been different if Lincoln was not assassinated
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:34 PM
Mar 2020

Johnson was a Democrat (back when the DEMS were more like today's REPS). He wanted quick re-integration of the southern states with basically no protection for former slaves.

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
30. Maybe, or maybe not
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:48 PM
Mar 2020

Lincoln's plans for reconstruction were far more lenient than Johnson's. Although Lincoln did acknowledge that the freed slaves would have to be accepted as a part of the political landscape he did approve the first draft of Louisiana's new constitution that did not blacks the right to vote.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
34. I think I may have misunderstood you. To be clear: in the immediate aftermath of the civil war ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:59 PM
Mar 2020

the lives of freed slaves would have been better if Lincoln not been murdered, that Johnson made things worse. Right?

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
36. I think had Lincoln lived it would have been better for all parties
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:07 PM
Mar 2020

I think black civil rights would still have moved slowly but overall quality of life and integration may have turned out much better. I do not believe Lincoln would have completely turned his back on the plight of the former slaves.

Johnson was definitely worse than Lincoln would have been. He tried to create a middle ground between Lincoln's lenient plans and the severe punishment road the radical Republicans imposed. His lack of political savvy and negotiating skills resulted in utter failure and created a situation that allowed persecution and the Klan to flourish.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
39. Thats my sense of the history of it too. I'd argue though, that after Reconstruction ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:17 PM
Mar 2020

Regardless of whether it was Lincoln or Johnson (both would have been out of power) after ten years of the Reconstruction, everything would have turned to shit for Black Americans all across the US but especially in the South anyways.

What magic thing could have stopped what happened to Black Americans in three more years of Lincoln.

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
42. Just an opinion
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:35 PM
Mar 2020

which has not much to base it on, since Lincoln was killed, is that his plan would have cause less resentment among the southern population.

They would still have been upset over the loss of slavery (although towards the end the Confederate government even considered freeing an amount of slaves) and accepting blacks as (near) equals would have been a bitter pill to swallow.

It is my belief that the atmosphere that allowed the KKK to flourish would not have been present. I do not doubt that there would have been some organization formed to terrorize blacks 'back into their place' but that such a group would not have been supported so heavily. The average person on the street would feel he had to much to lose if the Yankees came down to take over because of the actions of radicals. The way reconstruction occurred, the average person had nothing to lose by supporting the Klan.

In short, under a Lincoln led reconstruction black people would still have been fucked but not as hard. Perhaps the civil rights movement of the 60's would have happened several decades earlier. The suffrage movement and a civil rights movement may have found common ground in a less toxic environment.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
44. Revisionist history, The proximate cause of the war was slavery. The Federal government ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:43 PM
Mar 2020

wanted it stopped and the traitors in the South reveled. Federal power and State's Rights was incidntal. If the Federal Govt hadn't had an issue - SLAVERY - there was no need to fight. The issue was the South wasn't going to give slavery because the mistakenly thought it was their right.

Seriously, where did you learn "the war was a fight ove states rights".

Funny, you argued somewhere that Lincoln had intention of curtailing Black American Rights to salve the South - but states rights was the cause of huge blood shed. Where did you read about that stuff?

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
49. If you are going to attribute a quote to me
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:26 AM
Mar 2020

I.e. "the war was a fight ove states rights" you should look to see if I actually said those words. I did not.

I was stating Lincoln's view of the war which derive from his own words in a letter published April 22, 1862 which reads in part:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. 


Many abolitionists saw the war as a chance to destroy slavery but Lincoln was not one of them. His goal was to preserve the United States. To say he was leading an antislavery crusade is a pleasant fiction, but it is s fiction.

I did not argue it was his intention to curtail the rights of the freed slaves but stated the was my opinion. I based that opinion on his writings on his views of his duty as President to preserve the Union at all cost, one example above, and his willingness to accept a constitution of a southern state for readmission to the Union that prohibited slavery without granting full rights to the freed slaves.

If you know of writing by Lincoln indicating a goal of freeing all slaves and granting full rights to them after the war, please direct me to them. I would be most interested in reading his thoughts on the subject.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
54. Yeah, its called the Emancipation Proclamation. Do you have any indication in documentation ...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:29 AM
Mar 2020

this wasn't going to be the law of the land? I'm thinking the war ended before Lincoln was shot and all the slaves were freed is a pretty good indication "Lincoln freed the slaves."

What do you think? I wasn't quoting you I paraphrasing you: you said that the war was not about slavery it was about the withdrawing from the Union over disagreements over slavery. If that isn't states rights vs Federal authority what was it??????

The issue was slavery. The Feds against it, the traitorous South for it.

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
55. "Lincoln freed the slaves"
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:43 AM
Mar 2020

Would be called by mythbusters 'mostly true'. As I pointed out, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to areas under control of the Confederacy. Two states still had slavery after the Civil War, Delaware and Kentucky until the passage of the 13th Amendment.

The Emancipation Proclamation was not (by itself) going to be the law of the land because the President cannot change the Constitution by proclamation. That is why the 13th Amendment (strongly supported by Lincoln) was needed, to eliminate slavery Constitutionally.

The issues of states rights and slavery were inseparable issues at that time. Lincoln personally opposed slavery, quite vehemently, his primary reason for the war was the Union. I am not claiming everyone held this viewpoint. Many northerners did see the war as being about slavery.

You may find this an interesting read- https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/emancipation-proclamation

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
31. It is quite possible Lincoln would have
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:51 PM
Mar 2020

sacrificed the rights of blacks in order to quickly rebuild the country. He was willing to tolerate slavery continuing if it would have prevented the war.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
37. Sacrifice the rights of a people we fought a bloody war with traitors for five years that took ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:11 PM
Mar 2020

655,000 dead? And he was going to take away the rights that were fought for so long and bloodily to cozy up the Southern traitor's in their abject loss???

Where are you getting your history?

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
41. You are making the common mistake
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:23 PM
Mar 2020

believing that Lincoln fought to free the slaves. Although he was opposed to slavery, he fought the war to preserve the Union. The issue of slavery was secondary.

Note the wording of the Emancipation Proclamation:

all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free

Slaves within states that did not secede or in areas under control of Union forces were not affected by this proclamation.

Lincoln's plan to readmit southern states, the Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction, granted pardon to all southerners except political leaders. To accept the amnesty Lincoln only required 10% of registered voters of a southern state to take an oath of loyalty.

Yes, IMO Lincoln would have sacrificed some civil rights for blacks if the result was a rapid reconstruction.

SpankMe

(2,937 posts)
6. If liberals were threatening to infect a particular group in this manner...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020

...the FBI would already have made arrests and filed charges for biological terrorism.

But, they're taking a 'wait-and-see' and 'we-don't-have-enough-data-yet' approach with white supremacists.

Jirel

(1,993 posts)
7. We can only hope...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020

that they contract it and give it TO EACH OTHER and their families, and wipe themselves out in the process.

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
11. Time to round up Nazis and quarantine them in internment camps
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:42 PM
Mar 2020

just like America did to Japanese-Americans during WW2.

or is it? Hmm...

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
40. Probably.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

White, pro-Apartheid South Africans thought the same of AIDS.

One of the most disturbing revelations that emerged from Mandela's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, you may recall, was that South African Security deliberately infected black prostitutes with HIV - trying (and successfully so) to spread it in the black comunity.

They were so convinced it only killed Africans, that they called it the "Black bomb."

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
46. Thanks for the reminder!
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:35 AM
Mar 2020

I mean that seriously... I had forgotten their insanity - same as it ever was...

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
47. Sure.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:59 AM
Mar 2020

While we're on the subject, wasn't Trump on the pro-Apartheid camp in the 1980s?

Former British PM David Cameron famously was (photos emerged of his ecstatically holding "Hang Mandela" signs as a student at the time).

I seem to remember that Trump was - but am not sure (Reagan certainly was).

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
48. Tough to know...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:17 AM
Mar 2020

He has always held a fistful of convenient contradictory views. No doubt his racism was and is a well known fact. But was he pro-apartheid like Reagan and Thatcher? It wouldn’t surprise me...

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
15. Oh the fucking irony!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:59 PM
Mar 2020

"neo-Nazis have been claiming that Jews are responsible for the spread of the virus in the United States." and yet, now they are trying to destroy us with it?!



Of course, as long as they stick to trying to kill Jews, most won't notice, much less care; it will be more about making political statements than actual concern for the Jewish people.

Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #51)

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
53. Real allies stand up for the group they're allying with
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:27 AM
Mar 2020

not claiming "ally" status to shut them down.

I try to be an ally for many groups I'm not a part of. A big part of that is sitting still and listening when someone of that group tells you that you have got something wrong. Jews know more about anti-Semitism than non-Jews. (And no of course they're not a monolith, but if you are not Jewish, please, just...think. Consider it.)

I'm not Jewish but I am LGBT and old enough to have VERY vivid memories of an epidemic where people like me were painted as non-persons who were perfectly fine collateral damage and punchline to a lot of jokes...up until straight guys started getting it. Only then was it taken seriously.

If you're not part of a population that has been the target of active or passive genocide....just sit still and breathe when someone who belongs to a group that has expresses frustration with something you said. Think about their point of view, which is different from yours, and then decide how to proceed after reflection.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
22. You don't get out enough. Racism and antisemitism is worse than ever and I don't see ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:10 PM
Mar 2020

any program that is trying to put a lid on it. You know, only 'fine people on both sides' and that level of crap.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
27. Considering that I firmly believe that the only good nazis are dead nazis, you are telling the wrong
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:17 PM
Mar 2020

guy he doesn't get out enough.

(yes, I support a white nationalist "purging" so to speak. Fuck their feelings...)

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
29. What are you mad at me for? I honestly was responding to your comment, I don't know anything ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:38 PM
Mar 2020

about you personally. I am sorry I came off that way.


btw: we are on the same fucking side.

marble falls

(56,359 posts)
23. Trump sounded too stupid to be President. Yet there he is. Stupid is the hallmark of anything ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

the RW creates.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
38. I've been saying this since Charlottesville.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:11 PM
Mar 2020

When you play with white supremacy and white nationalism, you are playing with fire. And Trump lit the match.

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