FBI arrests alleged members of white supremacist group 'the Base'
Source: WaPo
By Shane Harris and Devlin Barrett
Jan. 16, 2020 at 10:55 a.m. EST
The FBI has arrested alleged members of a white supremacist group on federal gun charges and other alleged crimes, according to people familiar with the matter.
The charges, expected to be unsealed Thursday, grew from an investigation of a somewhat new effort among online extremists who refer to themselves as the Base, the English translation of al Qaida. According to experts who track hate groups, the Base promotes racist views and seeks to unite different hate groups in preparation for a race war.
At least one of the individuals was arrested in Maryland, these people said.
FBI Director Christopher A. Wray warned Congress in the fall that American neo-Nazis seem increasingly to be communicating with like-minded violent racists overseas, but he cautioned that those links so far appear more inspirational than organizational.
We are starting to see racially motivated violent extremists connecting with like-minded individuals online certainly, and in some instances, we have seen people travel overseas to train, Wray said.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-arrests-alleged-members-of-white-supremacist-group-the-base/2020/01/16/ae8c01d4-386b-11ea-bf30-ad313e4ec754_story.html
Archae
(46,326 posts)Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)Lock 'em up!!! And throw away the key. Human garbage.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Doc_Technical
(3,526 posts)1a: lacking or indicating the lack of higher qualities of mind or spirit : IGNOBLE
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)Not so DOJ and State
dalton99a
(81,468 posts)Wray said that U.S. violent extremists still, by and large, lack organizational structure and direction but that there are now individual terrorism suspects who travel overseas to get training behavior similar to that of Americans inspired by the Islamic State or other groups.
We have seen some connection between U.S.-based neo-Nazis and overseas analogues, Wray said. Probably a more prevalent phenomenon that we see right now is racially motivated violent extremists who are inspired by what they see overseas.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I'm curious to know where overseas.
I saw "Ukraine militias" mentioned in another post - would there be other places besides that?
I find it somewhat surprising that there would be a need to go overseas, when one would think that the U.S. being awash in guns, would make it ideal.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:50 AM - Edit history (3)
There's actually lots of white supremacist terrorist training going on in the US. Most of it happens in mountain and desert regions. We see it here in AZ all the time where they do it under the guise of "patriotic militias." That's not to say the training camps are exclusively in the mountains and deserts. Any relatively isolated rural area or swampland will do. (Keep in mind the guy responsible for the horrific Parkland High killings did his gun training with a white supremacist group that runs training "seminars" in Florida).
I've watched Wray testify about this to Congress a few times. Got to give it to the guy, he seems to be trying really hard to thread the needle. Clearly, the rise of American neo-Nazi groups and the even greater number of other white supremacist terrorist organizations is something he's concerned about. The box he's in though is that he has to stay below tRump's radar if he wants to combat them.
Thus, public statements emphasize neo-Nazis, which is FBI "public relations code" for all white supremacist terrorists. He's prohibited by the tRump admin from saying anything about white supremacists who aren't neo-Nazis (even though these guys are the greater threat) without also equivocating about supposed "black militants" and an over-exaggerated antifa threat, which we see born out in the twisted reports the FBI has compiled to placate tRump in this matter.
Publicly though, Wray has figured out a way to sidestep this altogether by simply referring to all white supremacist groups as neo-Nazis and it seems tRump is none the wiser.
Gauging by the arrests occurring over the past two years (mostly quietly with no media attention), Wray is running a number of undercover ops within white supremacy terrorist organizations, both neo-Nazi and not.
Regarding the references to overseas training: That's essentially a funding issue, but an important one that determines whether the FBI will investigate a white supremacist group. Under tRump and Rethuglican-written regulations, the only money spigot for the FBI to conduct investigations of these guys is through funding that is specifically designated to track down terrorists. But, the only way something can be designated as terrorist activity is if it has a foreign, overseas element to it. Essentially, it's a too-cute-by-far Rethuglican trick to prevent American white supremacists from being designated (and investigated) as terrorists.
That's where the neo-Nazis come in. Because of the exponential rise of these groups in Europe and because of the Internet, there is indeed a lot of "blurring of the lines" going on where American white supremacists who aren't specifically neo-Nazis are communicating in online chat rooms with the European neo-Nazis, along with, of course, the American neo-Nazis. The FBI is all up in these chatrooms and as soon as a connection is made, bingo, there's your foreign influence and there's your funding to open an investigation.
It also seems that the better-funded American white supremacists inevitably end up sending one or more of their leaders to Europe to gladhand with the bros across the pond. Once that happens, and if the undercover op has successfully established large weapons caches, terrorist manifestos, &/or other illegal activity, as soon as the leaders return to American soil, they're arrested, usually at the airport, while simultaneous FBI raids and arrests are occurring elsewhere with other members of the group.
Also, note that Wray's phrasing about the overseas activity is "to train." He knows popular imagination will immediately jump to ISIS-like "training camps" that we've all seen TV images of. That's okay. It gleans more support for him to continue investigating white supremacists here, which is where the majority of the actual training camps are located (as you intimated in your post).
Thus, for example, last year the FBI took down an extremely dangerous white supremacy terrorist group out of San Diego who had been committing violence against anti-Trump protesters up and down the West Coast. They were known as elite combat trainers and actually ran a physical fitness/gun use/street fight training program for other supremacist groups from across the country.
So, the FBI ran the same playbook on them as described above, infiltrating first online to establish foreign comms going on and then with inside agents gathering evidence of violent crimes and weapons stashing. Finally, two of the group's leaders went to Germany to hobnob in a castle with European leaders of a white supremacist "coalition" put together by Steve Bannon. After that, it was lights out and Wray shut the San Diego group down.
The point of this story is to note that these guys went to Europe "to train" with neo-Nazis...of sorts. Training is not only about physical combat (and, truth be told, if anybody was going to be doing that kind of training, these guys were going to be the trainers, not the trainees). However, "training" also includes indoctrination of the mind into a terrorist ideology. In between all the drinking and man-splaining going on during their castle broo-ha-ha, apparently enough "heil Hitler" salutes were thrown around to nail it on the ideology training front.
In conclusion, I think Wray is working this as best as anyone can whose hands are tied behind his back. The real problem is that without that tenuous "foreign influence" connection with bona-fide neo-Nazis, he's downright hogtied when it comes to doing any kind of deep-dive into white supremacy terrorist groups here in America, the greater number of which are not actual neo-Nazis. Unless someone provides credible evidence of a specific imminent threat, the white supremacists are persona non grata to the FBI. Hell, he's not even allowed to define someone as a "domestic terrorist" if, after they've actually committed a terrorist act, it's discovered they're a white supremacist.
Meanwhile, an even more insidious cancer is growing in America where we're discovering white supremacist cells popping up everywhere in police forces across the country and in every branch of the military. And, guess what? Their training camps are paid for by our tax dollars.
Hope this helps your understanding. Sorry so long, but it is a convoluted situation not able to be covered in a soundbite.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)and lock them up with the other terrorists
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Fucking morons.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)skypilot
(8,853 posts)With antisemitism being a big part of who they are, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these group try to form alliances with Islamic terrorist.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)January 16, 2020
The New York Times reports:
The F.B.I. has arrested three men suspected of being members of a neo-Nazi hate group, including a former reservist in the Canadian Army, who had weapons and discussed traveling to a pro-gun rally next week in Richmond, Va., in anticipation of a possible race war.
The men were taken into custody on Thursday morning as part of a long-running investigation into the group, known as The Base. The men were charged with various federal crimes in Maryland, according to law enforcement officials familiar with the case. They were scheduled to appear in federal court before a judge on Thursday afternoon.
One of the men, Patrik Mathews, a main recruiter for the group, entered the United States illegally from Canada, according to the officials. Mr. Mathews was trained as a combat engineer and was considered an expert in explosives. He was dismissed from the Canadian Army after his ties to white supremacists surfaced.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Virginia declares emergency as tensions escalate over gun-rights rally
Organizers have "unleashed something much larger, something they might not be able to control," Virginia's governor said.
Jan. 15, 2020, 5:34 PM EST / Updated Jan. 16, 2020, 10:16 AM EST
By Jon Schuppe
Fearing a repeat of the deadly march by white nationalists in Charlottesville in 2017, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam on Wednesday declared a state of emergency and temporarily banned people from carrying guns and other weapons on the grounds of the state Capitol, where thousands of gun rights activists are expected to rally next week against stricter gun control laws.
Northam said he made the call after hearing "credible intelligence" from law enforcement that armed militias and hate groups, some from outside Virginia, planned to disrupt the event. He said the threats of violence, picked up on the internet and on dark web channels by state intelligence analysts, included "conversations fueled by misinformation and conspiracy theories" similar to talk that preceded the "Unite the Right" march in August 2017, at which white nationalists clashed with counterprotesters, one of whom was killed when a man drove into a crowd.
"They are not coming to peacefully protest. They are coming to cause intimidation and to cause harm," Northam, a Democrat, said at a news conference.
The temporary weapons ban and the state of emergency will be lifted Tuesday, he said.
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It might be a bad weekend in Richmond...
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)Mickju
(1,803 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,946 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)in semi-rural florida. Among the many trump signs and banners was a big ol' confederate loser flag.
I wasn't surprised.
Initech
(100,068 posts)I honestly hope that I never live to see it in my lifetime. So yeah fuck these fucking assholes, hope they get locked away for a very long time.
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Trump will do so with enthusiasm
Like they say, a fish rots from the head first
Judi Lynn
(160,525 posts)RussBLib
(9,006 posts)Psst, the head of another extremist gang of thugs lives at 1600 Pennsylvania in D.C.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)woodsprite
(11,913 posts)Glad they got the guys. Hope they don't stop looking around here because there are probably more around where they found them.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)According to arrest affidavits, The Base is a racially motivated violent extremist group that sought to "accelerate the downfall of the United States government, incite a race war and establish a white ethno-state."
Luke Austin Lane, Michael Helterbrand, and Jacob Kaderli were planning to "overthrow the government and murder a Bartow County couple" who they believed to be Antifa members, Floyd County police said in a statement.
An unnamed member of The Base who crossed into the US illegally met with two members of those arrested in Georgia in October 2019 to discuss revenge attacks against his enemies, according to charging documents.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51144177