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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:27 PM Nov 2019

President Trump signs bill making animal cruelty a federal felony

Source: ABC News

Animal cruelty has officially become a federal felony after President Donald Trump signed the bill into law on Monday afternoon.

The bipartisan bill, Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture (PACT) Act, criminalizes certain acts of animal cruelty. The bill was passed in the Senate by unanimous decision on Nov. 5 after being approved in the House in late October.

"Passing this legislation is a major victory in the effort to stop animal cruelty and make our communities safer," Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., said earlier this month when the bill, which Toomey sponsored along with Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., passed in the Senate. "Evidence shows that the deranged individuals who harm animals often move on to committing acts of violence against people. It is appropriate that the federal government have strong animal cruelty laws and penalties."

The bill, introduced in the House by Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Fla., and Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla., is an expansion on the 2010 Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act, which made the creation and distribution of "animal crushing" videos illegal

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-sign-animal-cruelty-bill-law-making/story?id=67295654



At least something decent crossed this man’s desk.
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President Trump signs bill making animal cruelty a federal felony (Original Post) Calista241 Nov 2019 OP
Great. Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #1
Why? You know he doesn't give two shits. It's a shame dewsgirl Nov 2019 #2
I don't think there's an ulterior motive at all. What ulterior motive would he have here? Jedi Guy Nov 2019 #20
I hope so, I am always leery when he does anything positive. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #27
I find a mixed crowd when I frequent animal abuse cases on YouTube LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #39
First time I've ever appreciated something he's done or said. sinkingfeeling Nov 2019 #3
So is this going to apply to chicken and pig factory farms? Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #4
Make chick grinding comes to mind... nt Blue_playwright Nov 2019 #16
True they do crush the day old chicks if they are injured or Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #34
Maybe, if they're making or distributing crush videos, using interstate commerce. sl8 Nov 2019 #26
1st thing i thought too. it doesn't Kurt V. Nov 2019 #29
Thanks for the link Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #33
Well... Xolodno Nov 2019 #5
Refugees can now just walk across the border and moo like Devin's cow and... KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2019 #6
Refugees, first thing that came to mind for me SonofDonald Nov 2019 #11
The scope of this bill is extremely limited LeftInTX Nov 2019 #7
That is strange. It's almost like a setup for use as a tool. C Moon Nov 2019 #18
Trump just wants to DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #8
Only good thing he has ever done. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #9
You beat me to the post. Nt raccoon Nov 2019 #32
Why? Miguelito Loveless Nov 2019 #10
The single, humane act he has ever done in his whole life. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #12
Ha! mahina Nov 2019 #45
This is good. mysteryowl Nov 2019 #13
So far the only good thing he has done. Stats so far: bad things, 23097; good things 1. Capt. America Nov 2019 #14
That is very good. Doreen Nov 2019 #15
After repeatedly validating interpersonal cruelty. Harker Nov 2019 #17
Animal crushing videos? Quackers Nov 2019 #19
He had to sign it because he couldn't veto it dalton99a Nov 2019 #21
Apparently the prisons are not full enough yet. NotHardly Nov 2019 #22
False and I will leave it there. Your post is very offensive and false. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #24
Well true there are too many people in jail but the data is very clear Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #36
He gets no credit. It was passed with veto-proof margins in both House & Senate. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #23
Exactly. dalton99a Nov 2019 #35
Bill summary, links: sl8 Nov 2019 #25
So if his followers think that certain people are, for example, rats, greymattermom Nov 2019 #28
While he pardons murders , duforsure Nov 2019 #30
I think he misread it. tavernier Nov 2019 #31
Hmmm....it only takes an Impeachment rap to get him to sign something like this......... Bengus81 Nov 2019 #37
How about a bill protecting children from separation & detention cruelty on the US southern borders! usaf-vet Nov 2019 #38
Good. Lock him up for past crimes. BHDem53 Nov 2019 #40
This is a very narrow bill. It applies to animal crushing videos and that's it. Politicub Nov 2019 #41
So much eyewash... Zaphod42 Nov 2019 #42
He actually did something good. zanana1 Nov 2019 #43
Trump administration reportedly approves trophy hunter's permit for endangered rhino remains lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #44

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
2. Why? You know he doesn't give two shits. It's a shame
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:45 PM
Nov 2019

when he does anything positive, we know there is an ulterior motive. Especially when he knows, not signing it would piss us off.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
20. I don't think there's an ulterior motive at all. What ulterior motive would he have here?
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:11 AM
Nov 2019

I think you were right: he doesn't care one way or another. Signing it doesn't hurt him personally or politically, whereas not doing so would definitely hurt him politically. He's never been known as an animal lover, and in fact has said he doesn't like pets, but that doesn't translate to being in favor of animal cruelty.

And yes, I know Uday and Qusay are big game "hunters," but I'd be willing to bet there's a provision in the law that exempts normal hunting and other sport activities that involve animals. Hunting doesn't automatically equate to cruelty/torture.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
27. I hope so, I am always leery when he does anything positive.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:18 AM
Nov 2019

I remember back when he passed the first animal related bill, it was giving hunters the ability to shoot hybernating bears.😔 He is a monster, all the way down to his core.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
39. I find a mixed crowd when I frequent animal abuse cases on YouTube
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:22 PM
Nov 2019

Whenever anything political is broached. Seen comments how it must have been Democrats that are the abusers etc.. So its a win win for him. Even though he personally has no love of animals.

Many Republicans have the uncanny ability of separating love and empathy for animals, and love and empathy for humans that don't look or talk or worship as they do. Many Republican hunters that have loyal dogs.

I'm sure that if the RW radio and TV and internet had been screaming how dogs were sent from Satan and a dire threat to the nation the last 10 years. Suspicious how they treat every human equally....like socialists! By now no Republican would own a dog.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
4. So is this going to apply to chicken and pig factory farms?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:57 PM
Nov 2019

A lot of cruelty is going on there. Some really awful stuff.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
34. True they do crush the day old chicks if they are injured or
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:58 AM
Nov 2019

If they have too many males. There are more humane ways.

So that's very specific.

sl8

(13,665 posts)
26. Maybe, if they're making or distributing crush videos, using interstate commerce.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:17 AM
Nov 2019

That's assuming they don't meet the criteria for exceptions to the law.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/479

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
33. Thanks for the link
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:52 AM
Nov 2019

So the factory farm will continue to abuse animals anyway they want. Cause they make big bucks off the torture and abuse of animals and that's AOK by capitalists.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
5. Well...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:07 PM
Nov 2019

I'll tack that to him as one good deed. But, that was kind of a given. Refusing to sign that would make him look even worse and he knows that.

Nixon at least gave us the EPA and Clean Water Act. And Trump still doesn't measure up to that.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
6. Refugees can now just walk across the border and moo like Devin's cow and...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:12 PM
Nov 2019

the tRump administration will have to provide them fair and humane treatment......

LeftInTX

(25,126 posts)
7. The scope of this bill is extremely limited
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:13 PM
Nov 2019

For instance it would only apply to areas controlled by the federal govt, such as military bases etc

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
8. Trump just wants to
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:36 PM
Nov 2019

Trump just wants to make sure he and his group don't get euthanized or mis treated if they get sent to prison.......LOL

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
12. The single, humane act he has ever done in his whole life.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:19 AM
Nov 2019

Maybe he signed it because he was about to have a photo op with a dog today and didn't want the dog to bite his balls off in revenge.

mysteryowl

(7,362 posts)
13. This is good.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:19 AM
Nov 2019

It is a good start, we have a long ways to go with legislation to protect animals.

We never see repubs do something for the sake of justice and compassion. I wonder who paid them off.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
15. That is very good.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:43 AM
Nov 2019

I am however suspicious. What is in it for him?

Did all of the animals agree to investigate Biden?

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
22. Apparently the prisons are not full enough yet.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:20 AM
Nov 2019

Yes, animal cruelty is awful but do we need another way to put folks in federal prison.

OH, and it is a falacy that "Evidence shows that the deranged individuals who harm animals often move on to committing acts of violence against people. It is appropriate that the federal government have strong animal cruelty laws and penalties." Margaret Mead first wrote about it and later admitted she skewed the data and those that followed have done precious little research to support the assumption. The 'terrible triad' was and is an FBI fiction.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
36. Well true there are too many people in jail but the data is very clear
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:16 AM
Nov 2019

I use to work with child abusers and let me tell you, even a lot of the child abusers started with abusing pets first.

But the idea that Margaret Meade was wrong and rigged her data comes from John Derek Freeman who seemed to want a fight with the anthropology community following a nervous breakdown. He himself may have been a victim of vicious, unsupported attacks on his work.

So no, Margaret Mead did not cherry pick her data.

hlthe2b

(102,119 posts)
23. He gets no credit. It was passed with veto-proof margins in both House & Senate.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:45 AM
Nov 2019

Trump really had no choice.

sl8

(13,665 posts)
25. Bill summary, links:
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:12 AM
Nov 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/724/all-info

Summary:

Passed House (10/22/2019)
Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act or the PACT Act

This bill revises and expands criminal provisions with respect to animal crushing.

It retains existing criminal offenses that prohibit knowingly creating or distributing an animal crush video using interstate commerce. The bill also adds a new provision to criminalize an intentional act of animal crushing. A violator is subject to criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to seven years, or both.

It provides additional exceptions for conduct, or a video of conduct, including conduct that is (1) medical or scientific research, (2) necessary to protect the life or property of a person, (3) performed as part of euthanizing an animal, or (4) unintentional

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
28. So if his followers think that certain people are, for example, rats,
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:28 AM
Nov 2019

does this bill prevent cruelty against them?

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
37. Hmmm....it only takes an Impeachment rap to get him to sign something like this.........
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:22 AM
Nov 2019

Meanwhile he would have LOVED to take ALL medical insurance away from 20M+ people almost three years ago.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
41. This is a very narrow bill. It applies to animal crushing videos and that's it.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:38 PM
Nov 2019

I didn’t even know those were a thing, but apparently there’s a sick segment of society that gets off on seeing animals crushed underfoot or in other ways. Sick.

The title of the bill makes it sound like it is a law that covers all forms of animal cruelty. It most certainly does not. Don’t allow the feel-good title to lull you to sleep about animal cruelty. We have a long way to go to protect animals.

The text of the bill is quite brief. Read it here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/724/text

 

Zaphod42

(92 posts)
42. So much eyewash...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:27 PM
Nov 2019

It's hard for me to see how much impact this will have on actual animal abuse cases, but I'm sure it makes the professional political class feel better about itself going into this holiday season. See? We passed a bill...a nice, warm and fuzzy bill. Sigh....

I've had animals all my life, and they have been treated well, and mourned mightily when they passed-as all living things should be. Just about 20 minutes ago, my son-in-law and I just finished burying our 13 year old Bella, a pit/bull mastiff mix. She weighed about 125 lbs, so it was not a little hole....

I've just always wondered how we can spend so much on our animals, and have so much passionate discussion about animal cruelty, when we afford our fellow human beings, so many of whom suffer from the same ailments...hunger, violence, and homelessness, much less time and attention.

Not a well worded post. Sorry, it's been a crappy day.

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