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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 05:57 PM Nov 2019

Pentagon chief asks for Navy secretary's resignation over private proposal in Navy SEAL's case

Source: WaPo

By Ashley Parker and Dan Lamothe

November 24, 2019 at 4:46 p.m. EST

Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer on Sunday after losing confidence in him over his handling of the case of a Navy SEAL accused of war crimes in Iraq, the Pentagon said.

Spencer’s resignation came in the wake of the controversial case of Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was accused of war crimes on a 2017 deployment. He was acquitted of murder but convicted in July of posing with the corpse of a captive.

Esper asked for Spencer’s resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with proceedings against Gallagher, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia.

Spencer’s private proposal to the White House — which he did not share with Esper over the course of several conversations about the matter — contradicted his public position on the Gallagher case, chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/11/24/pentagon-chief-asks-navy-secretarys-resignation-over-private-proposal-navy-seals-case/

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Pentagon chief asks for Navy secretary's resignation over private proposal in Navy SEAL's case (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 2019 OP
This is another trump fuck up TEB Nov 2019 #1
"Cleaning house in the military" could very well backfire for Dump. Nitram Nov 2019 #3
Exactly TEB Nov 2019 #7
Trump just had to insert his big mouth into something he should have keep quiet on! riversedge Nov 2019 #10
Trump is Continuing to Clean House in the Military Ahead of the 2020 Elections TomCADem Nov 2019 #2
Trump. Sinks. U.S. Navy. jpak Nov 2019 #4
+1. Putin now has virtual control over the U.S. military. dalton99a Nov 2019 #15
That's a sweet looking sweater. Looks very warm IronLionZion Nov 2019 #17
What a clusterfuck. Scurrilous Nov 2019 #5
SECDEF is part of SECNAV's chain of command. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #6
This story is still changing, Spencer's resignation/termination letter XRubicon Nov 2019 #8
JESUS H CHRIST bluestarone Nov 2019 #9
Holy shit Recursion Nov 2019 #11
This is a great resignation letter Gothmog Nov 2019 #12
Background story from NYT... mysteryowl Nov 2019 #13
There's more to this story than Esper "losing confidence" in Spencer Zorro Nov 2019 #14
March, 2016: Trump says he won't make troops commit war crimes Marcuse Nov 2019 #16
From Military Times nitpicker Nov 2019 #18
You can't fire me, I QUIT! PuffedMica Nov 2019 #19
Who'd a thunk one little sailor... malthaussen Nov 2019 #20

TEB

(12,841 posts)
1. This is another trump fuck up
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 05:59 PM
Nov 2019

He has no reason well he should have never gotten involved

And seriously you don’t desecrate corpses even with pic that is so warped

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
3. "Cleaning house in the military" could very well backfire for Dump.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:26 PM
Nov 2019

Nobody with command experience will want to support a president who sides with a convicted war criminal over a career military officer with combat experience.

TEB

(12,841 posts)
7. Exactly
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:53 PM
Nov 2019

All the higher officers and nco I knew were professional soldiers and I say this as I was only enlisted

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
10. Trump just had to insert his big mouth into something he should have keep quiet on!
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 07:58 PM
Nov 2019

His vile ego directs his actions. No thinking.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
2. Trump is Continuing to Clean House in the Military Ahead of the 2020 Elections
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:18 PM
Nov 2019

Make outrageous decisions, see who pushes back, then fire them.

keithbvadu2

(36,770 posts)
6. SECDEF is part of SECNAV's chain of command.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:51 PM
Nov 2019

Regardless of Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher's status, SECDEF is part of SECNAV's chain of command.

He should not have gone directly to Trump.

mysteryowl

(7,376 posts)
13. Background story from NYT...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:21 PM
Nov 2019
Chief Gallagher was turned in by his own platoon last spring. Several fellow SEALs reported that he had shot civilians and killed a captive Islamic State fighter with a custom hunting knife during a deployment in Iraq in 2017. He was also charged with obstruction of justice for threatening to kill SEALs who reported him.

Chief Gallagher was convicted of one charge: bringing discredit to the armed forces by posing for photos with the teenage captive’s dead body.

Mr. Trump announced that he was ordering the pardons of Clint Lorance, a former Army lieutenant who was serving a 19-year sentence for the murder of two civilians, and Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn, an Army Special Forces officer who was facing murder charges for killing an unarmed Afghan he believed was a Taliban bomb maker. And the president reversed the demotion of Chief Gallagher, who was acquitted of murder charges but convicted of a lesser offense in his high-profile case.

While the Army carried out the president’s orders and dropped the matter, the Navy did so but also began disciplinary proceedings to strip Chief Gallagher of his Trident pin and oust him from the elite SEAL commando unit.

Mr. Trump was having none of it. On Thursday, he wrote on Twitter that “the Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin.” He added: “This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/us/politics/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-resign.html

Marcuse

(7,479 posts)
16. March, 2016: Trump says he won't make troops commit war crimes
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:45 PM
Nov 2019
Just hours earlier, at Thursday's Republican debate, Trump reiterated his plans to "go tougher than waterboarding" on Islamic State group fighters and others threatening national security.

When asked if that includes past promises to have U.S. troops target terrorists' families, Trump said service members would follow his orders.

Earlier on Thursday, the last two men to win the Republican nomination for president — Mitt Romney and Sen. Jon McCain, R-Ariz. — both condemned Trump as too reckless and inexperienced to serve as commander in chief.

[link:https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2016/03/04/trump-says-he-won-t-make-troops-commit-war-crimes/|

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
18. From Military Times
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:46 AM
Nov 2019
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/11/24/spencer-out-as-secretary-of-the-navy-over-seal-trident-scandal/

Spencer out as Navy secretary over SEAL trident scandal

By: Carl Prine ?  10 hours ago

After losing the trust and confidence of the Secretary of Defense, Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer was asked Sunday to tender his resignation and exit the Pentagon.

In a prepared statement emailed to Navy Times, Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said that Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper became concerned about Spencer’s “lack of candor over conversations with the White House involving the handling of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher,” an inside deal Spencer allegedly concocted with President Donald J. Trump.

Esper has asked Trump to consider Kenneth Braithwaite, the current U.S. ambassador to Norway and a retired Navy rear admiral, as the 77th Secretary of the Navy.
(snip)

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
19. You can't fire me, I QUIT!
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:08 AM
Nov 2019

It is a mistake for civilian leadership to interfere in matters that are strictly military in nature. This is a case where Trump should have trusted the decisions of the military and just moved on.

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