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demmiblue

(36,822 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:21 AM Nov 2019

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Accuses Official of 'Meddling' in War Crime Case, Suggests It's 'All About

Source: Newsweek

Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher mocked one of the "mean girl" witnesses to his accused 2017 war crimes for "crying," and went on to thank President Donald Trump and claimed that top military officials with "egos" are "meddling" in his case.

Gallagher appeared on Fox & Friends Sunday morning just minutes after Trump personally touted the interview on Twitter. Last week, Trump tweeted that the Navy "will NOT" be taking away Gallagher's revered trident over his failure to uphold good order and discipline after Gallagher was accused and later acquitted of several war crimes, including the killing of Iraqi civilians and the murder of an ISIS captive with a hunting knife. However, Gallagher was convicted in July of one charge after he posed in several pictures with a dead teenaged captive, The New York Times reported.



Gallagher mocked his accusers and detractors, including Navy Rear Admiral Collin Green, whom he called "insubordinate" and having too much "ego." Gallagher said he plans to expose next week how the Secretary of the Navy, Richard Spencer, was "meddling in my case and trying to get organizations not to support me."

"This is all about ego and retaliation, this has nothing to do with good order or discipline. They could have taken my trident at any time they wanted. Now they're trying to take it after the president restored my rank," Gallagher said, before threatening to expose top Navy officials of corruption.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-fox-friends-accuses-secretary-meddling-thanks-trump-war-crimes-trident-1473753?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter



This is not going to end well.
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Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Accuses Official of 'Meddling' in War Crime Case, Suggests It's 'All About (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2019 OP
Trump encourages this sort of arrogant thuggery dawg day Nov 2019 #1
And insubordination. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2019 #56
It does matter what crimes were committed. Lock him up. Nov 2019 #58
I bet this DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #80
Moe to the point DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #59
People here still can't see this dustyscamp Nov 2019 #76
Because he affirms their worst impulses. Most don't understand what the Constitution really says or rwsanders Nov 2019 #77
Amen to that dustycamp DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #79
Nope, and why go on fake news (Murdoch)? Iliyah Nov 2019 #2
gallagher was shit before trump 'touched' gallagher. empedocles Nov 2019 #6
Now tRump has ignited a battle inside the military. Incompetent or Putin's competent puppet. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #3
It's not a battle inside the Military, dware Nov 2019 #16
Good. I thought maybe Gallagher might have supporters among the enlisted men and lower officers . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #72
Creepy gallagher will be noted by officers in a lot of places. empedocles Nov 2019 #4
Yeah, I severely doubt he'd be accepted by any SEAL team now. DinahMoeHum Nov 2019 #20
I'm with you on this. dware Nov 2019 #23
Why should ANYBODY trust this maggot ? Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #73
Perceptively sharp, telling point. Thank you empedocles Nov 2019 #24
something happened with the Seals stopdiggin Nov 2019 #70
I'm sure he ACCEPTED his pardon right? bluestarone Nov 2019 #5
All these jerks who eagerly take the pardons Trump procon Nov 2019 #11
Right? A pardon is amnesty for one's crime, not a finding of innocence. Beartracks Nov 2019 #61
Yep, permanent latrine duty. FM123 Nov 2019 #28
YEP AND bluestarone Nov 2019 #30
What a scumbag. BlueStater Nov 2019 #7
+1000 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #8
Let's ask Fiona Hill about this. Talitha Nov 2019 #9
Gallaher is a great role model for the Navy - pazzyanne Nov 2019 #10
Wow!!!! dware Nov 2019 #12
I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Nov 2019 #17
Yup. dware Nov 2019 #19
Agreed!!! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #25
USAF vet here -- I agree. He needs to be ousted from Navy, let him go work for trumpty dumpty. iluvtennis Nov 2019 #26
The military doesn't work PatSeg Nov 2019 #33
Some where along the way, dware Nov 2019 #39
There it is again, F'en Fox in the middle providing the platform. Murdochs must pay for their Pepsidog Nov 2019 #50
"Apparently he is as dumb as he is disgusting." CrispyQ Nov 2019 #40
Thank you! 2naSalit Nov 2019 #27
Just a chip off the ole block Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #49
From most honorable son, RET Navy Chief (21 yrs service) asiliveandbreathe Nov 2019 #52
+1000. dware Nov 2019 #53
BTW - he used his GI..grad ASU - teaching in AZ... asiliveandbreathe Nov 2019 #55
I'm not military, and even I was shocked that Ilsa Nov 2019 #64
Dude dishonors the Navy, his country, and himself IronLionZion Nov 2019 #13
I wonder Srkdqltr Nov 2019 #14
He sounds just like trump .. CatMor Nov 2019 #15
Maybe the Mango Menace's illegitimate son? dware Nov 2019 #18
Perish the thought ... CatMor Nov 2019 #21
Consider the thought perished. dware Nov 2019 #22
Oh my god PatSeg Nov 2019 #35
Yeah, that thought made my brain swell with disgust dware Nov 2019 #41
Since he's a veteran, it's doubtful. BlueStater Nov 2019 #45
Ah yes, you do have a point there. dware Nov 2019 #48
Gallagher will leave the Navy one way or the other. Sneederbunk Nov 2019 #29
So he wants a dishonorable discharge? Seems to be asking for it Maeve Nov 2019 #31
A dishonorable discharge is not in play here, dware Nov 2019 #43
Thank you--I'm not familiar with the exact type Maeve Nov 2019 #57
The Bad Conduct is one step above the Dishonorable, dware Nov 2019 #62
Nor is a BCD jmowreader Nov 2019 #66
Thanks for the info, dware Nov 2019 #69
"mocking" an admiral, or any superior, is a court martial offense in itself.... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #32
What a reassuring thought PatSeg Nov 2019 #37
How many times can E-7 Gallagher violate the UCMJ? n/t malthaussen Nov 2019 #34
Apparently as many times dware Nov 2019 #44
His Superior. Historic NY Nov 2019 #36
Watch as GOP legislators voice "concern" but do nothing as Trump destroys our military cohesiveness Freethinker65 Nov 2019 #38
As always, chaos, corruption, and criminality. CBHagman Nov 2019 #42
Holy Crap!! stevil Nov 2019 #46
"Retaliation"? Yeah, for. committing. warcimes. RockRaven Nov 2019 #47
The military will be just another casualty and further proof that "everything Trump touches turns Pepsidog Nov 2019 #51
Exactly! Imagine what he'd do with a second term liberalmediaaddict Nov 2019 #75
Unthinkable, we will work hard to make sure he is denied a second term. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #81
Isn't he violating the military code of ethics? LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #54
Big time, dware Nov 2019 #65
In the FOX News interview one of them state that Gallagher has submitted his retirement papers. Opel_Justwax Nov 2019 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2019 #63
Taking away a trident is not usual Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #67
Ego and retaliation? Hmmmm...I don't see the admirals and other military guys on Faux news, ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #68
Trump better be standing by with more pardons Red Mountain Nov 2019 #71
Everything Trump touches dies liberalmediaaddict Nov 2019 #74
The military can slow walk retirement request eilen Nov 2019 #78
56. And insubordination.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:37 PM
Nov 2019

Who cares about following the Uniform Code of Military Justice when all you have to do is get on Fox and whine about how unfairly you're being treated? "Unfair treatment" triggers Trump into pardon mode, and it doesn't matter what crimes you've been convicted for, or about to be charged with.

I would hate to be a military commander under this POS-in-Chief, knowing every decision you make is subject to review by Fox & Friends and overruled if Trump believes it will give him more personal power over the military.

Fortunately, most military commanders don't view tweets as legitimate orders.

Lock him up.

(6,918 posts)
58. It does matter what crimes were committed.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:56 PM
Nov 2019

The most disgusting ones, like his own crimes, the better.

He loves cruelty for others, hates it for himself. He is sick beyond repair.

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
80. I bet this
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:56 PM
Nov 2019

Fortunately, most military commanders don't view tweets as legitimate orders. Seems the Secretary of the Navy does........

I bet this will make the Military Commanders start watching his tweets from here on in........

Only one word for this: Despicable.................

One of the last remaining true bastions of Honor and Integrity is now under fire.........

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
59. Moe to the point
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:03 PM
Nov 2019

this sends a big message to the mass of military personnel that Trump is the person they need to vote for and follow.......not the Generals and admirals that are getting wise these past three years....

As I understand it, most of the ranks of military mindlessly vote for Republicans and Trump and have since Reagan years.

The Republicans have groomed large masses of people to their side. They carefully selected people that have already shown they are like sheep in following a leader. Evangelicals, Military, Southern Republicans, US oligarchs, hate groups like KKK, etc etc etc.

All their work since Reagan is about to come to fruition...........A Fascist Republican Tyranny.......We are about to see the Coup succeed in about 12 months people.......

dustyscamp

(2,223 posts)
76. People here still can't see this
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:08 AM
Nov 2019

We aren't living in Rainbowville Happytown people. There are a lot of disgusting people in the police & armed service that will vote for Trump in November

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
77. Because he affirms their worst impulses. Most don't understand what the Constitution really says or
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:45 AM
Nov 2019

the difficult balance that it works to achieve. They will mindlessly subvert it in support of a charismatic (to them) authoritarian.

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
79. Amen to that dustycamp
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:47 PM
Nov 2019

Some of the most racist and sexist people I know are Police and Firefighters. They used to tip-toe around and put on a front of being politically correct, but they don't even bother trying to hide it since Trump became a major enabler of their bigotry......

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Nope, and why go on fake news (Murdoch)?
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:26 AM
Nov 2019

Backfiring on shithole seems to be his new and recent "motto".

Everything he touches, turns to shit.

dware

(12,249 posts)
16. It's not a battle inside the Military,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:53 AM
Nov 2019

it's a battle between the Navy's top brass and the Mango Menace.

The majority of the brass are behind Navy Sec. Richard Spencer and Rear Admiral Collin Green's attempt to expel Gallagher from the elite Navy Seals.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
4. Creepy gallagher will be noted by officers in a lot of places.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:27 AM
Nov 2019

May not work for the erratic trump as well as trump felt that it would.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
20. Yeah, I severely doubt he'd be accepted by any SEAL team now.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

He'd be a liability and a hazard to any mission at this point in his career.

dware

(12,249 posts)
23. I'm with you on this.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:06 PM
Nov 2019

No SEAL team is going to accept him, he's bad for unit cohesion and morale, which is paramount.

Plus, they won't trust him at all.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
73. Why should ANYBODY trust this maggot ?
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:39 PM
Nov 2019

When you're STILL in uniform, the last thing you do is go running to FOX (or anybody else) and start criticizing admirals. How FUCKING stupid are you, Eddie ?

You're a disgrace to the SEALS, the NAVY and your country.

Oh and P/S -- you DO know that "friendly fire" isn't ?

stopdiggin

(11,241 posts)
70. something happened with the Seals
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:45 PM
Nov 2019

Gallagher is a clown (and a disgrace) .. but there seems to be a new culture.

This use to be the unit that everybody respected (and to a certain extent feared). That strictly operated in the background .. and wanted it that way. Maximum efficiency. No publicity, no fanfare, no glory hounds. The bullet you never saw.

Now we're treated to .. tell all books and exposes' .. competing, "mine's bigger than yours", narratives on mission details .. and prancing in to appearances on daytime soaps (Fox and Friends). When did self-promotion become the new model?

Where are the Seals?

bluestarone

(16,855 posts)
5. I'm sure he ACCEPTED his pardon right?
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:27 AM
Nov 2019

Then he's FUCKING GUILTY! Needs to clean LATRINES the rest of his life! FUCK HIM!

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. All these jerks who eagerly take the pardons Trump
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

hands out like candy, don't realize that it comes with the aromatic stigma of guilt already baked in. This guy thinks he's gold because Trump intervened and he can't be touched now, but the military will have the last word on dealing with a man who has smugly admitted his own guilt to heinous charges.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
61. Right? A pardon is amnesty for one's crime, not a finding of innocence.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:04 PM
Nov 2019

You're still a criminal, just one who's back in society.

============

Talitha

(6,560 posts)
9. Let's ask Fiona Hill about this.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:39 AM
Nov 2019

It wouldn't surprise me if 'sowing discord in the military' is straight out of Putin's playbook. We need to remember that every time Shitler suddenly does something outrageous, there's a reason for it.

dware

(12,249 posts)
12. Wow!!!!
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

This POS is just asking for it.
Doesn't this fucking idiot know that while on active or reserve duty, you can't publicly slander officers, especially the Admiral in charge of the SEAL's?

That was the way it was when I served in the Military.

He can say whatever he wants as a civilian, hopefully very soon, but as of now, he's restricted in what he can say publicly about line officers.

I see an Article 15 in his near future

PatSeg

(47,255 posts)
17. I was thinking the same thing
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 AM
Nov 2019

He appears to be breaking every rule and protocol there is in the military. I suppose he thinks that because Trump pardoned and defended him, he can skip over the chain of command and denigrate his superior officers. I've never been in the military, but even I know that is not how it works.

Meanwhile, he is setting himself up for some nasty repercussions. Apparently he is as dumb as he is disgusting.

dware

(12,249 posts)
19. Yup.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019

In my unit, there were a couple of guys going around publicly slandering our commanding officer, they were hit with an Article 15, demoted in rank and fined, restricted to base for 2 months.

The Military has no sense of humor when it comes to that, and rightly so, it affects unit cohesion, morale which is paramount in the Military.

PatSeg

(47,255 posts)
33. The military doesn't work
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:34 PM
Nov 2019

without that structure and not all people are cut out for it, but I would think that someone as disciplined (I'm assuming) and well trained as a Navy SEAL would be more aware of that than anyone.

dware

(12,249 posts)
39. Some where along the way,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:47 PM
Nov 2019

he seemed to have lost his morals, common sense, and humanity, now he's doubling down on stupid.

He's unfit for the SEAL's and for Military service and should be given a Bad Conduct Discharge.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
50. There it is again, F'en Fox in the middle providing the platform. Murdochs must pay for their
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:11 PM
Nov 2019

treachery. Murdoch single-handedly is dismantling, dividing , and destroying a once great nation. Murdochs lust for profit will bring down our republic. China was right at the G20 accusing the USA of instability worldwide.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
52. From most honorable son, RET Navy Chief (21 yrs service)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:22 PM
Nov 2019

in convo with many of his retired Navy folk's and they are so worried about the moral of the enlists rank and file..he wrote to me saying

"Good news afa E7 Gallagher. The Chief's mess won't allow him in...he's not a chief...he's an E7. I suppose when you go online and call superior officers names, Yeah, it's not going to end well for him. He doesn't need to receive lifetime benefits if you ask me...that's for another day...( only recognized as an E7..not Chief)..most insulting..

When there is a D in the WH, that trident will get yanked...it's pretty clear here...you piss off an admiral? Stand by".

Update- he said..I went onto NYT website and let it fly...had a lot of recommendations...and reading the comments - We are not alone here...all the comments were condemning the loser...

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
64. I'm not military, and even I was shocked that
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:08 PM
Nov 2019

Gallagher thinks he can get away with this crap.

Yeah, latrine duty is too nice for this POS. I would think he'd feel like he needs to watch his own back if he gets reinstated in a SEAL unit.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
13. Dude dishonors the Navy, his country, and himself
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:43 AM
Nov 2019

Agree this won't end well for him. The Navy won't take this nonsense, I hope.

Srkdqltr

(6,227 posts)
14. I wonder
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:49 AM
Nov 2019

Will this be like a lot of things where people say " next week or tomorrow or whenever, we will expose... " then time goes by and nothing more is said. it will be interesting to see what happens.



CatMor

(6,212 posts)
21. Perish the thought ...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:01 PM
Nov 2019

there are already too many of his offspring running around, we don't need more.

PatSeg

(47,255 posts)
35. Oh my god
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:38 PM
Nov 2019

What a horrible thought. I've been getting by without thinking there are more Trump offspring out there, now that possibility is implanted in my brain, which is already on Trump overload.

dware

(12,249 posts)
41. Yeah, that thought made my brain swell with disgust
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:53 PM
Nov 2019

thinking there may be more offspring of the Mango Menace.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
45. Since he's a veteran, it's doubtful.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:56 PM
Nov 2019

The coward gene runs strong in the Trump bloodline. Beginning with his brothel-owning granddaddy to now, no Trump has ever served their country in uniform.

Sneederbunk

(14,275 posts)
29. Gallagher will leave the Navy one way or the other.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:25 PM
Nov 2019

It will not be a pleasant experience for him. The Navy has its ways.

dware

(12,249 posts)
43. A dishonorable discharge is not in play here,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:54 PM
Nov 2019

but a possible Bad Conduct Discharge is certainly in play.

Maeve

(42,270 posts)
57. Thank you--I'm not familiar with the exact type
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:42 PM
Nov 2019

but I know he is "cruisin' for a bruisin'" as they used to say!

dware

(12,249 posts)
62. The Bad Conduct is one step above the Dishonorable,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:06 PM
Nov 2019

if memory serves me right, there are 5 different levels of discharge:

1. Honorable Discharge
2. General Discharge under Honorable Conditions
3. Other than Honorable (OTH) Discharge
4. Bad Conduct Discharge
5. Dishonorable Discharge

Hope that helps.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
66. Nor is a BCD
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:26 PM
Nov 2019

Dishonorable and Bad Conduct discharges can ONLY be issued as part of a court-martial sentence.

The administrative version of a BCD is an Other than Honorable discharge. The problem is, since Trump is now making all personnel decisions for Gallagher, Trump is certain to order that Gallagher receive an honorable discharge.

Which means we need to turn the guy Eddie Gallagher murdered into Trump’s running mate. (I do not believe for a second the immunized SEAL who claims to have killed the ISIS fighter actually killed him. Since that SEAL could have never been prosecuted, pretending to have killed the kid wouldn’t come back on him - and it got Gallagher out of a murder rap.)

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
32. "mocking" an admiral, or any superior, is a court martial offense in itself....
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
Nov 2019

But it doesn't need to be prosecuted immediately. The navy can take it's time investigating it, and take action, say, on Jan 23rd 2021.

They can even recall him to active duty to do it. Trumps pardon is only good as of the day he wrote it. New crimes aren't covered.

The navy can have the last word. All they need to do is keep it low key and wait.

Freethinker65

(9,999 posts)
38. Watch as GOP legislators voice "concern" but do nothing as Trump destroys our military cohesiveness
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:42 PM
Nov 2019

Our military cohesiveness, conduct, and morale.

CBHagman

(16,981 posts)
42. As always, chaos, corruption, and criminality.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:53 PM
Nov 2019

Putin wanted Trump in to disrupt and denigrate democracy, as well as further divide Americans, and Trump, with a lifetime of trying to break down the system and use it to his advantage is only too suitable an instrument.

stevil

(1,537 posts)
46. Holy Crap!!
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:58 PM
Nov 2019

Seems like this is Veteran outreach came wholly from Trump himself start to present. I doubt any of his advisors thought any of this was a great idea. Or at least no one had the nerve to tell him otherwise.

RockRaven

(14,893 posts)
47. "Retaliation"? Yeah, for. committing. warcimes.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:58 PM
Nov 2019

Everyone in the chain of command/administration above him SHOULD be "retaliating." The fact that Dump does the opposite doesn't make it right.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
51. The military will be just another casualty and further proof that "everything Trump touches turns
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 01:14 PM
Nov 2019

shit”. Putin must be laughing his ass off.

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
75. Exactly! Imagine what he'd do with a second term
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:45 PM
Nov 2019

The last 3 years has felt like 30. Another 5 years of Trump will completely destroy the American spirit and our standing in the world.

Opel_Justwax

(230 posts)
60. In the FOX News interview one of them state that Gallagher has submitted his retirement papers.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:03 PM
Nov 2019

So this whole argument is moot.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
67. Taking away a trident is not usual
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:28 PM
Nov 2019

Even in a courts martial, special qualification badges are not usually taken away.

In all the courts martials that I have sat on, about 15, only once was it removed. But it was removed for failure to maintain his qualifications not as a disciplinary act.

But I got to say, out right insulting the Admiral like he did is serious. Disrespecting a superior commissioned officer can damage a command's military readiness and causes discipline and leadership failures. Yeah, you might bitch to your shipmates but this out in the media. What if every enlisted decided to do this? What kind of impact would it have on the command?

Me thinks the Admiral is waiting to see what else this convicted criminal is going to say on Friendly Foxes. Might as well have video documentation as well as written.

SWBTATTReg

(22,063 posts)
68. Ego and retaliation? Hmmmm...I don't see the admirals and other military guys on Faux news, ...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:29 PM
Nov 2019

but I see you instead. Kind of makes me think that you are the one that has the ego, you are the one seeking retaliation. The Navy is simply doing its duty, long established way before you were around and our so called president bone spurs was around. Sure, go ahead and mock our military. Nice start to your 'retirement'.

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
74. Everything Trump touches dies
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:39 PM
Nov 2019

Rick Wilson's book was so right. Anything and anyone Trump gets involved with ends up irreparably damaged. He's like a black cloud hanging over American democracy.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
78. The military can slow walk retirement request
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:33 AM
Nov 2019

They can determine that their readiness will be compromised by granting it and extend for however long they wish to and send this guy to Alaska or Guam or some isolated spot to keep the windows shiny and the desk warm until such time as the feel the USN is prepared enough to retire him.

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