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BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 04:59 PM Nov 2019

GOP senator blocks Dem's effort to push gun bill amid California shooting

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)An impromptu effort to pass a gun background check bill in the Senate unanimously was quickly nixed by a Republican senator who said it would infringe on Second Amendment rights, as news of a mass shooting at a California high school came rolling in Thursday morning. Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut requested that the universal background check bill, H.R. 8, be passed by unanimous consent -- a procedural move that allows a bill to skip several steps, including debate, to pass unanimously, without senators casting an individual vote.

"We can't go 24 hours without news of another mass shooting somewhere in America. My kids and millions' others hide in corners of their classroom or in their bathrooms preparing for a mass shooting at their school, and this body does nothing about it," Murphy, who represented the constituents of Newtown in the House of Representatives at the time of the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school mass shooting, said on the Senate floor just before noon on Thursday. The motion was blocked by Republican Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, who argued that the bill should not be "exempt from consideration by the appropriate committee of jurisdiction." "Legislation that would affect the rights of American citizens under the Second Amendment should not be fast tracked by the Senate," Hyde-Smith said Thursday.

"If this so-called common sense bipartisan legislation was indeed crafted with strong bipartisan input, it shouldn't have any problems advancing by regular order," she added. "Many questions about this legislation need to be answered before it's forced upon law-abiding gun owners." After Hyde-Smith's action, Murphy said, "I can't get a piece of legislation to the floor in any other way other than to offer this motion," Murphy said, citing the Republican control of the committee. "And the American public are not going to accept silence from this body week after week, month after month, in the face of this epidemic carnage that is happening across this country."

Passed in the US House of Representatives in February, H.R. 8 would require background checks on all firearm sales in the country. Currently, under federal law, only licensed gun dealers must perform background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a firearm, which leaves the sale of guns between individuals largely unregulated.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/chris-murphy-cindy-hyde-smith-gun-background-check-bill-california-shooting-trnd/index.html



To be clear - this was a "unanimous consent" motion request to pass the House Background check bill, the motion being a tool that has been used many times in the past, and one that eliminates the need for debate (the Senate usually sets aside 30 hours for debate including discussion about amendments), and an enumerated vote. And of course in this case, someone from the GOP (the loon from MS) swoops in and halts it. All it takes is one objection.
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GOP senator blocks Dem's effort to push gun bill amid California shooting (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 OP
The Bill would have not stopped this horrific deal....ever. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #1
This is not just addressing this one incident BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #4
EXCEPT...this Bill would have done nothing for "loopholes" like this. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #6
He's spearheading this bill in general but it doesn't matter who presents it BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #8
This idiot had a handgun... AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #9
Again you are missing the point and purposely fixating on the messenger BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #12
You can't source ONE....not since Columbine....I'm not missing ANY points. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #15
"I have ZERO problem starting there.. none what so ever." BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #16
I donated to Sen Murphy 3 yrs ago....it has nothing to do with him. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #18
Your ranting and railing about him and Sandy Hook gives me pause. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #22
Show me EVER ranting and railing about Sen. Murphy.... AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #23
I rest my case! BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #24
Wise decision.....you couldn't do it.... AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #25
Unless you confiscate...AWB is worthless. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #11
Many municipalities did gun buybacks BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #14
Not mandatory of course....completely voluntary...and on the City dime. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #17
You are changing goal posts BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #19
I didn't "change" squat....I just said that Sen. Murphy's bill would do nothing.. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #20
The "bill" which is the House's bill by the way BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #21
Gun shows DO have background checks for sales.... AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #27
Not for private sales from people who rent a table and set up shop. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #28
Not true.....that's a widely assumed myth. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #31
At the very moment I was on the Senate floor making a motion to force a vote on universal background riversedge Nov 2019 #2
So he claimed that if this measure passed, the slaughter would stop. Igel Nov 2019 #5
If the bill saves ONE child, it is worth it to their parents. IMHO. #Onelessgun riversedge Nov 2019 #10
How would it have resulted in 1 less gun.....or saved 1 child today? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #13
Would have had ZERO bearing on this freakshow...none AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #7
I too pretend my allegations, lacking data to support them, are absolute. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #32
The freak was 16....illegal Federally NOW to posess a handgun. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #33
Good. Force the Reeps to take the wrong side publicly! ananda Nov 2019 #3
Looks like the only thing... Toorich Nov 2019 #26
Did Sen Murphy think that any gun control measure would get "unanimous consent"? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2019 #29
It was the House bill that had already been debated and passed in the House with bipartisan support BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #30
Still wouldn't have stopped the deal......you know that. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #34
It is designed as a deterrant. And you refuse to acknowledge that. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #35
Seems like a great place to start ManiacJoe Nov 2019 #36
 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
1. The Bill would have not stopped this horrific deal....ever.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:18 PM
Nov 2019

The shooter was 16....not legal with any amount of background checks to posses a handgun...in any State.....or Federally.

Don't jam bills that wouldn't-won't fix the issue at hand...defeats the larger goal....

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
4. This is not just addressing this one incident
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:37 PM
Nov 2019

The bill was crafted well before this kid did his deed. This is addressing a huge loophole that exists that needs to be closed and as noted by Murphy, it's the only way to unstick a bill from the blockages that the GOP has put in place for almost ALL bills that have come over to the Senate from the House (outside of appropriations). Turtle is sitting on a couple hundred at the moment.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
6. EXCEPT...this Bill would have done nothing for "loopholes" like this.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:57 PM
Nov 2019

It wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook...in Ct. Sen. Murphy's state

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
8. He's spearheading this bill in general but it doesn't matter who presents it
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 06:23 PM
Nov 2019

It is a LOOPHOLE that needs to be CLOSED (or at least cinched a bit tighter).

IMHO the Assault Weapons Ban needs to be put back in place too WITHOUT A SUNSET CLAUSE, but in the meantime, they are trying to get something enacted that has had "bipartisan" support.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
9. This idiot had a handgun...
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:47 PM
Nov 2019

The AWB wouldn't have stopped the Sandy Hook slaughter.
What exactly are you trying to close that isn't already illegal?

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
12. Again you are missing the point and purposely fixating on the messenger
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:56 PM
Nov 2019

of the legislation and ignoring the point. There have been who knows how many killings by those who purchased through gun shows at private vendor tables, where no background check happened. Let's start there.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
15. You can't source ONE....not since Columbine....I'm not missing ANY points.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:08 PM
Nov 2019

"There have been who knows how many killings by those who purchased through gun shows at private vendor tables, where no background check happened. Let's start there."
I have ZERO problem starting there.. none what so ever...let's.....can you source ANY mass-shootings to that, private vendor tables, post Columbine?

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
16. "I have ZERO problem starting there.. none what so ever."
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:19 PM
Nov 2019

Then we agree and are done. This is all that bill is about. Background checks. You are making it about Murphy.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
18. I donated to Sen Murphy 3 yrs ago....it has nothing to do with him.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:25 PM
Nov 2019

It has to do with a dumb Bill...that does Nothing.

Where do you get I have an issue with the Senator...that's pure idiocy.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
23. Show me EVER ranting and railing about Sen. Murphy....
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:00 PM
Nov 2019

You can't.....about a Bill that wouldn't have done shit...yep....not the Senator....
Try.....not my 1st rodeo BumRush......try.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
11. Unless you confiscate...AWB is worthless.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:55 PM
Nov 2019

The 1st AWB didn't take guns away from anyone, and the manufacturers just changed cosmetic features to get around it to sell different guns.....and will again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
14. Many municipalities did gun buybacks
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:02 PM
Nov 2019

including here in Philly, and pulled all kinds of shit out of neighborhoods where that type of weaponry didn't belong. Win-win.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
17. Not mandatory of course....completely voluntary...and on the City dime.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:20 PM
Nov 2019

In that entire video..all 23 seconds of it... I saw 1 semi auto...looked like a 10/22..NOT a weapon of choice for school shooters.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
19. You are changing goal posts
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:29 PM
Nov 2019

I explained what they are doing here and I know you and many others have an agenda but I am not buying it.

My father was a WW2 vet and my grandfather was a WW1 vet. Both of them were hunters who would go moose hunting as well as go fly fishing here in PA (upstate), so I grew up with a rifle and a subscription to Field in Stream in my household. I don't get all googly over guns. They are not my thing.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
20. I didn't "change" squat....I just said that Sen. Murphy's bill would do nothing..
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:44 PM
Nov 2019

And will continue to say so...

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
21. The "bill" which is the House's bill by the way
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:52 PM
Nov 2019

is for Universal Background checks. Which will include taking care of the gun show loop hole. Criminals don't even bother with gun shows but those seeking a weapon who might potentially do criminal things and DO go to such a show to try to buy a gun, would have a deterrent. Even that kind of delay might help them calm down. I am guessing you are arguing to be arguing.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
31. Not true.....that's a widely assumed myth.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM
Nov 2019

I've been to 40-50 shows in probably 20+ states in the past 6-7 yrs...if a vendor sets up in a show with sales...the show sponsor has a dealer to do NICS checks.

Are there illegal sales.. in say the parking lots, or meet me down the street.....absolutely.

riversedge

(70,094 posts)
2. At the very moment I was on the Senate floor making a motion to force a vote on universal background
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:18 PM
Nov 2019



At the very moment I was on the Senate floor making a motion to force a vote on universal background checks, news of the Santa Clarita shooting broke.

Republicans objected, my motion failed, and now, as a consequence, the slaughter of our children will continue.

Devastating.


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AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
13. How would it have resulted in 1 less gun.....or saved 1 child today?
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:59 PM
Nov 2019

It's already illegal for a 16yr old kid to have a handgun.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
33. The freak was 16....illegal Federally NOW to posess a handgun.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:48 PM
Nov 2019

Background bill would have done nothing..was already illegal(state and Federal) for the f'waffle to have it.

Toorich

(391 posts)
26. Looks like the only thing...
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:58 PM
Nov 2019

.... left is for the reThuglicans to pass a law requiring all school children to carry a gun at school.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
29. Did Sen Murphy think that any gun control measure would get "unanimous consent"?
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 05:48 PM
Nov 2019

No controversial bill will ever get unanimous consent. Not single-payer health care, not a national ban on abortion with no exception, not war with Denmark over Greenland.

He must have been playing some kind of game, a publicity stunt.

If a bill like this passes, it will take much debate, much arm-twisting, much compromise.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
30. It was the House bill that had already been debated and passed in the House with bipartisan support
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 05:56 PM
Nov 2019

that Turtle refuses to bring to the floor for consideration/amendments/debate, and a vote. Murphy did this because it was the only way to claw it out of Turtle's dungeon of 400+ OTHER House bills that have been imprisoned by him and lie dormant.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
36. Seems like a great place to start
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:03 PM
Nov 2019

would be to remove the federal ban on private sellers using the NICS background checks.

The problem is NOT that private sellers are allowed to skip background checks.
The problem IS that private sellers are federally prohibited from doing background checks.

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