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brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 03:33 PM Nov 2019

New Democratic majority set to bring down Confederate statues in Virginia

Source: The Hill

Democrats in Virginia’s General Assembly are poised to again attempt to remove Confederate monuments after last week saw the party claim a majority in both houses of the legislature, according to The Associated Press.

“This is about what do we remember? What do we honor? It’s the right to decide what we celebrate,” said Del.-elect Sally Hudson (D), whose district includes Charlottesville, the site of the deadly 2017 white supremacist “Unite the Right” rally.

The city of Charlottesville is currently embroiled in a lawsuit over its decision the same year to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee, as well as its relocation of another monument to Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, with a judge temporarily ruling against the removal of the statues.

“I can’t imagine we would go through this session without that getting a full hearing,” Del. Lamont Bagby (D), chairman of the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus, said of the issue of the statues. “I suspect that it will be met with success.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/470100-new-democratic-legislature-could-bring-down-confederate-statues-in-va

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New Democratic majority set to bring down Confederate statues in Virginia (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2019 OP
Well, As Mickey Mouse Mulvaney Once Said 'Elections Have Consequences' . . OldManTarHeel Nov 2019 #1
IMHO - Leave them - THem pain them a different color each week, ala college pranks benld74 Nov 2019 #2
Put them at sidewalk level and use them as canine pissoirs. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #4
I like this maxrandb Nov 2019 #6
Gather them together in a Museum. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #3
Agreed kimbutgar Nov 2019 #5
Yes. We can't erase history Drahthaardogs Nov 2019 #8
The statutes are mass-produced pieces of almost-tin obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #9
What a silly statement Drahthaardogs Nov 2019 #10
The only US history that gets erased is minority history JonLP24 Nov 2019 #12
contributions to American history by minority groups remain notably erased, not just AA history onetexan Nov 2019 #13
I agree JonLP24 Nov 2019 #14
No worries. You made great points on your post. onetexan Nov 2019 #15
the one in a graveyard out here (seattle) is stone maxsolomon Nov 2019 #11
The Confederates lost the damn war. mahina Nov 2019 #7

OldManTarHeel

(435 posts)
1. Well, As Mickey Mouse Mulvaney Once Said 'Elections Have Consequences' . .
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 03:42 PM
Nov 2019

I'm good with this, put the statues in a museum and 'Get Over It' . .

maxrandb

(15,192 posts)
6. I like this
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

In Seattle there is a statue of Lenin and the citizens paint the hands red to symbolize the blood on them.

kimbutgar

(20,882 posts)
5. Agreed
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 07:33 PM
Nov 2019

If you want to see these statues send them to a museum, charge admission and the profits after operating profits go to the NAACP!

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
9. The statutes are mass-produced pieces of almost-tin
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:38 AM
Nov 2019

Cast and sold way after the Civil War. Zero history involved.

Melt them down and turn them into plowshares.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. What a silly statement
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:47 AM
Nov 2019

When they were made is irrelevant, they represent historical figures who were on the wrong side of history.

I take it you would not approve of the Berlin Wall museum either? Just dig out heads in the sand and pretend it never happened eh?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. The only US history that gets erased is minority history
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 05:25 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

They put these status up during racist times.

There are certain moments in US history when Confederate monuments go up

The first spike
The first spike is around 1900. That's 35 years after the end of the Civil War.

When the war ended, relatively few monuments went up in the South. The economy and social order were just too devastated. But after money was raised, sponsoring groups promoted the "Lost Cause" ideology -- the belief that states' rights, not slavery, was the Confederacy's principal cause.

By 1900, many states were implementing Jim Crow laws, meant to disenfranchise newly freed African-Americans and prevent integration.

It's in this climate that cities and states ramped up their construction of Confederate symbols.

The second spike
The second, albeit smaller, spike is in the mid-1950s and 1960s. Change was in the air. Brown v. Board of Education. The Civil Rights Act. The Voting Rights Act. As the SPLC put it in its report, "The civil rights movement led to a backlash among segregationists."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/16/us/confederate-monuments-backlash-chart-trnd/index.html

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
13. contributions to American history by minority groups remain notably erased, not just AA history
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:57 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:20 PM - Edit history (1)

The Chinese laborers who built the US railroads in the latter end of 1800s for example, rarely ever get mentioned except in few PBS documentaries maybe. Same with the Navajo code talkers during WWII, the native American iron workers who built NY's empire state bldg and the Brooklyn bridge, and the many many notable Hispanics who've made significant contributions in science, the arts, etc. whom we don't often hear of.

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
15. No worries. You made great points on your post.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 09:22 PM
Nov 2019

I just edited my earlier post to add 'native American' descriptor to the ironworkers.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
11. the one in a graveyard out here (seattle) is stone
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 01:25 PM
Nov 2019

if they're destroyed, I won't care much. either way.

mahina

(17,506 posts)
7. The Confederates lost the damn war.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:27 AM
Nov 2019

I had family on both sides and when they took down my Grandma’s great grandfather’s statue in New Orleans our family felt no harm.

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