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whopis01

(3,491 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:55 AM Oct 2019

House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying

Source: CNN

As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.

Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.

"It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room.

The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-23-2019/index.html

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House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying (Original Post) whopis01 Oct 2019 OP
Kick! Backseat Driver Oct 2019 #1
Deplorables. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #2
Good god.... sakabatou Oct 2019 #3
Putsch in progress! LudwigPastorius Oct 2019 #4
Looks like a signal to the base mpcamb Oct 2019 #56
Yeah, Trump wants some of those "very fine people" to take to the streets in an attempt... LudwigPastorius Oct 2019 #88
Republicans new strategy . . . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #5
are the guards just there for decoration? National security and all? flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #6
Reminds me of scenes we've seen from PatSeg Oct 2019 #7
Well, to be fair... 2naSalit Oct 2019 #9
Yeah, true PatSeg Oct 2019 #13
They do make 2naSalit Oct 2019 #19
And crayons come in an even bigger PatSeg Oct 2019 #35
Yup 2naSalit Oct 2019 #44
Trump is getting the chaotic congress he desires PatSeg Oct 2019 #11
And the Florida recount. Harker Oct 2019 #81
lol! Cha Oct 2019 #94
the ugly americans... 2naSalit Oct 2019 #8
Brooks Brothers riot ToxMarz Oct 2019 #10
that came to my mind immediately rampartc Oct 2019 #29
+1 berni_mccoy Oct 2019 #37
Unfreaking Believable . . The Pubs are resorting to Banana Republic Tactics OldManTarHeel Oct 2019 #12
The party of law and order. DavidDvorkin Oct 2019 #14
Tea Party of lawlessness and disorder. dchill Oct 2019 #46
I don't know... Faux pas Oct 2019 #15
Because it has worked for them in the past FiveGoodMen Oct 2019 #26
They are Abusive Personalities . FarPoint Oct 2019 #75
Lol I guess Faux pas Oct 2019 #93
Jackbooted sobs... Maxheader Oct 2019 #16
Remove them. By force if necessary. BlueIdaho Oct 2019 #17
Any updates? FirstLight Oct 2019 #18
I'll admit I did not think they would sink to this behavior. I'm having a mini-freak out here. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #20
right...? FirstLight Oct 2019 #25
I share the same worry. I'm familiar with SCIF protocols which is adding to my freak out. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #28
I'm excited. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #79
Taylor's opening statement really got to them Zambero Oct 2019 #21
Bingo! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #92
Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted Bayard Oct 2019 #22
Oh c'mon melm00se Oct 2019 #23
They are nothing but Repug Thugs riversedge Oct 2019 #24
Hang tough, Ms. Cooper!!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #27
Remember the Brooks Brothers Mob that did this in Florida? B Stieg Oct 2019 #30
Its been down hill since Reagan. apnu Oct 2019 #32
I can see that! B Stieg Oct 2019 #36
I can't agree more tonekat Oct 2019 #38
Yup. A few years ago I watched his "Government is the problem" speech apnu Oct 2019 #43
I'm not so sure. Saviolo Oct 2019 #67
Absolute rock bottom has been reached? Brainfodder Oct 2019 #31
There is no bottom with Trump in the mix apnu Oct 2019 #34
I hope we get a LIST FarPoint Oct 2019 #33
+1 EDIT- Proof positive Matt Gaetz is an ass. crickets Oct 2019 #40
I live in California. I can smell the GOP's fear out here. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2019 #39
So Republicans have officially jumped the shark. Nitram Oct 2019 #41
Hold an OPEN hearing, show how they act. This is disgusting. George II Oct 2019 #42
I'd like someone to explain it to me; why is it "secret" and why wouldnt they be allowed in? oldsoftie Oct 2019 #54
According to Schiff on the weekend, one of the reasons is so the the other witnesses don't know... George II Oct 2019 #66
GOP is represented on all committees doing the hearings LuvLoogie Oct 2019 #69
There are three committees conducting the hearings. GumboYaYa Oct 2019 #70
they are not having a hearing dixiegrrrrl Oct 2019 #85
SCIF stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility aggiesal Oct 2019 #87
This is exactly the same way that Republicans conducted the beginning of the Benghazi hearings LudwigPastorius Oct 2019 #89
OK thats what i wanted to know. And the fact that there ARE GOP members there. Thanks all!! oldsoftie Oct 2019 #91
This shows how frantic they are. Talitha Oct 2019 #45
Exactly! DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #63
Trying to distract from the facts. Botany Oct 2019 #47
Preston Brooks would have been proud Retrograde Oct 2019 #48
Lock them all up! Mickju Oct 2019 #49
Shades of the Brooks Brothers Riot for 2000 FL recount bitterross Oct 2019 #50
No win situation for Dems SayItLoud Oct 2019 #51
Throw their asses in jail nt VarryOn Oct 2019 #52
As if Barr would carry it out... (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #53
So committee free for alls are the new normal? NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #57
I'll bet blakstoneranger Oct 2019 #58
So what about the REPUBLICANS actually ON these Committees? mackdaddy Oct 2019 #59
They should be reminded on the rules governing the secure location, together with the standards struggle4progress Oct 2019 #60
Trump-Republicans are desperate when they resort to goonish hypocritical stunts like this. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #61
Reminds me of the... dajoki Oct 2019 #62
But there's no white privilege Johonny Oct 2019 #64
When all these yahoos are rounded up, they should be immediately DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #65
Go home Gaetz Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #68
Why all the bullying and itcfish Oct 2019 #71
Now we know that Byrne, Demings, Gomer, and Gaetz are desperately covering up their own crimes. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #72
They're so stupid they don't realize if this was being held in public it would be much, much worse Vinca Oct 2019 #73
Desperate times call for desperate measures Yavin4 Oct 2019 #74
A Federal Crime bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #76
Why next time? nt crickets Oct 2019 #83
So lock them in the room with their pizza... Guilded Lilly Oct 2019 #77
We could fundraise at DU for an ad in Gaetz's local newspaper. mahina Oct 2019 #78
Makes me wonder... dchill Oct 2019 #80
so now its Pelosi's court to exact as harsh of punishment as she can, there is NO other beachbumbob Oct 2019 #82
This is a show of THEIR "desperate" action against OUR putsch. Hortensis Oct 2019 #84
Remind anyone else of this? LaurenOlimina Oct 2019 #86
There must be an urgency by Pelosi to condemn these actions with criminal charges YOHABLO Oct 2019 #90

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
4. Putsch in progress!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:02 PM
Oct 2019

These thugs are attempting to overthrow the Constitutional process begun by the democratically elected Representatives of the people.


Schiff needs to have those fuckers arrested.

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
88. Yeah, Trump wants some of those "very fine people" to take to the streets in an attempt...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:50 PM
Oct 2019

to save himself.

I say, bring it you bastards! I've got my trusty gaff tape-wrapped axe handle ready.

Beating down Nazis is a fine, old American tradition.

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
7. Reminds me of scenes we've seen from
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:05 PM
Oct 2019

fledgling democracies or pseudo democracies around the world where members start throwing chairs and fist-fighting.

I wonder how much planning these goofs put into this childish display - five minutes?

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
35. And crayons come in an even bigger
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:48 PM
Oct 2019

range of colors, plus they don't stain one's clothes.

Everyday these screwballs outdo their last display of idiocy. It is still hard to believe all of it real.

Harker

(13,985 posts)
81. And the Florida recount.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:53 PM
Oct 2019

Flap your arms and shout angrily to intimidate Democrats. A proven winner.

FarPoint

(12,292 posts)
75. They are Abusive Personalities .
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:25 PM
Oct 2019

No difference from there behavior than say a male abuser of domestic violence or an alcoholic in full blown drunk mode. ..They are mirror images of Trump and these GOP storm troopers.

Maxheader

(4,370 posts)
16. Jackbooted sobs...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:11 PM
Oct 2019

Have nothing but obnoxious loud mouths..and like monkeys being stalked by the leopard..they rely on numbers to have strength..

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
17. Remove them. By force if necessary.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:11 PM
Oct 2019

The GOPs disrespect for the law must not be tolerated. If they insist on acting like anarchists - treat them like anarchists.

FirstLight

(13,357 posts)
25. right...?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:21 PM
Oct 2019

I'm worried that we are almost beyond a Constitutional crisis

When all three branches have been infiltrated by those who refuse to follow the rules of law, what the fuck do we do?

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
28. I share the same worry. I'm familiar with SCIF protocols which is adding to my freak out.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:27 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212613538

I have had quite a few bone chilled moments with this administration, but this one is really getting to me.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
21. Taylor's opening statement really got to them
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:14 PM
Oct 2019

Not to mention any leaked details regarding his testimony / committee Q&A's from yesterday.

"Hey, just forget about all that! Look at this instead!".

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
92. Bingo!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:43 PM
Oct 2019

They have just proven that they know he is guilty, will be impeached and they are desperate. How lame assed this was. They showed their hand.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
22. Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:18 PM
Oct 2019

WTF?!!

I read the article, but don't see what they're trying to accomplish here. Just to break up the hearing? No consulting--ARREST their asses!!

melm00se

(4,986 posts)
23. Oh c'mon
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:19 PM
Oct 2019

I want to see an olde tyme knock down, drag out brawl in the Houses of Congress.

It'll make it must see TV.

Leghorn21

(13,523 posts)
27. Hang tough, Ms. Cooper!!!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:25 PM
Oct 2019

How astonished you must be, holy shit

They’re trying to intimidate you - and the whole of America, for that matter - but I hope you can calm down and be okay, and if you have to leave to recover from this travesty, then hey, we’ll do it again later

Have mercy

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
30. Remember the Brooks Brothers Mob that did this in Florida?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:38 PM
Oct 2019

It's pretty much been all down hill since then.

tonekat

(1,811 posts)
38. I can't agree more
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:53 PM
Oct 2019

The so called great communicator started the decline of how politics is conducted in the U.S.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
43. Yup. A few years ago I watched his "Government is the problem" speech
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:09 PM
Oct 2019

During his Inauguration. It was 1980, and I was too young to see it or comprehend, since I was still a child, so I had to seek it out on my own. I can't believe America cheered a guy who's speech was essentially "I will destroy the government" It was profoundly and openly hostile to the Federal Government. Not "This is what I think is broken and this is how I intend to fix it", he announced his intention to slash and burn everything he could, and he did.

Since that moment I realized the Republican party is the enemy of the America. Their intention from that point forward, and they have not wavered once, is to dismantle America.

Newt's "Revolution" in the 90s and his "Contract" was exactly that, more slash and burn. Same with W, and same with Trump.

Trump, at least, I can say this: He's peeled away the politeness of this Republican project. The Republicans used to say "yes I'm gutting the things you need, but its really going to help you later, trust me" Now its "I'm gutting this and if you don't like it, fuck you". At least they are honest about their hate now.

But like a stone rolling down hill, it will continue to accelerate until it hits something it cannot overcome.

I shudder to think what the GOP will be after Trump, stones can't roll up hill after all, so I don't see how they recover from this vile buffoon.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
67. I'm not so sure.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:54 PM
Oct 2019

I think Nixon started it, and Reagan gave it a good strong shove downhill to really get the momentum rolling.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
34. There is no bottom with Trump in the mix
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:45 PM
Oct 2019

He always finds a way to sink lower. Its his mutant power, to defy physics and find a new low below the Earth's mantel.

39. I live in California. I can smell the GOP's fear out here.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

Can you imagine what it would be like if the Dems pulled the same trick when the Repugs had control of the House?

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
41. So Republicans have officially jumped the shark.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:01 PM
Oct 2019

Of course that's a tactic they'e used in the past, most notably during the Florida recount debate, and when tea baggers disrupted town hall meetings.

oldsoftie

(12,492 posts)
54. I'd like someone to explain it to me; why is it "secret" and why wouldnt they be allowed in?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:35 PM
Oct 2019

I am not familiar with how this works. Why are only democrats having a hearing? Or is it NOT that way? Is this unprecedented or have the GOP done the same thing when they had the majority? More questions, i know.....
I'm just not sure how it works or what exactly is going on.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. According to Schiff on the weekend, one of the reasons is so the the other witnesses don't know...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:54 PM
Oct 2019

...what's being said.

I'm sure they find out some of it from Devin Nunes and Jordan, et. al., but not all the testimony and details.

LuvLoogie

(6,934 posts)
69. GOP is represented on all committees doing the hearings
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:02 PM
Oct 2019

This stunt is just intimdation tactics and obstruction. Acts of the guilty.

GumboYaYa

(5,941 posts)
70. There are three committees conducting the hearings.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:06 PM
Oct 2019

The hearings are closed to the members of those committees. Both Republicans and Democrats on the committees are in the hearings and Republicans are getting equal time to participate and ask questions. This is made up nonsense by the Republicans to distract from the fact that yesterday's testimony proves Trump committed impeachable crimes.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
85. they are not having a hearing
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:11 PM
Oct 2019

They are having a deposition of the witness.
All depositions are private, it's a legal thing.
They are using a "secure" room because intelligence issues, not meant for public disclosure, are involved.

There are at least 3 Committees involved, and there are Republicans on those committees as well as Dems, so it is not
ONLY dems in the room.

trump knows of and approved this action, says the news.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
87. SCIF stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:11 PM
Oct 2019

A SCIF does not allow radio waves from entering or exiting so that a signal can not be intercepted.

In this case, they were questioning Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper.
She no doubt will have sensitive (Confidential, Secret, Top Secret, ...) information that
can not get into any adversary's hands.

Usually, the hearing are held in secret, but not necessarily in a SCIF.

Besides, the (D)'s are holding hearings based on the house rules, that were changed 4 years ago,
by the (R)'s.

One last note, when Trey Gowdy was in charge of the Benghazi hearings, they interviewed witnesses in
secret without Democrats allowed in the hearing room.

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
89. This is exactly the same way that Republicans conducted the beginning of the Benghazi hearings
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oct 2019

We all know that turned out to be bullshit, but they established the precedent of hearings closed only to committee members.

Now they don't like it?

Well, they can suck it.

oldsoftie

(12,492 posts)
91. OK thats what i wanted to know. And the fact that there ARE GOP members there. Thanks all!!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:06 PM
Oct 2019

So if its usually restricted to committee members & both parties are represented, then these idiots have no right to insist THEY be allowed inside.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
47. Trying to distract from the facts.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:24 PM
Oct 2019

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”


― Carl Sandburg

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
50. Shades of the Brooks Brothers Riot for 2000 FL recount
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:29 PM
Oct 2019

They're trying to do the same thing the deplorables did with the vote recount in FL in 2000.

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
51. No win situation for Dems
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:31 PM
Oct 2019

If the intruders didn't get thrown out they tip off tRUMP and twist everything into lies about the proceedings. They got thrown out so will say "what are the Dems hiding" tonight on Hannratty, tRUCKER, Inghram...

Response to whopis01 (Original post)

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
58. I'll bet
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:43 PM
Oct 2019

trump is sitting in the oval office with that dumbass ear to ear smile on his face as he destroys our nation and it's constitution. TRUTH: THE MAN IS GUILTY AND WILL BE IMPEACHED---WE ELECTED A CROOK TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY.

mackdaddy

(1,522 posts)
59. So what about the REPUBLICANS actually ON these Committees?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:44 PM
Oct 2019

Are these nutcases "storming" these hearings not also disrespecting their OWN party? There already are an equal number of Republican Representatives on these committees and have equal time to ask their own questions! Are they not saying their own reps are incompetent.

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
60. They should be reminded on the rules governing the secure location, together with the standards
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:45 PM
Oct 2019

of behavior expected for House members, and these matters should be referred to the Ethics Committee for its recommendation

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
65. When all these yahoos are rounded up, they should be immediately
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:52 PM
Oct 2019

escorted to a room along with McCarthy to await a dressing down by The Speaker of the House. If Gaetz or any other of the clowns tries to act up, I hope The Speaker pulls out that Mace of the House and clubs whoever it is over the head.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
72. Now we know that Byrne, Demings, Gomer, and Gaetz are desperately covering up their own crimes.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:10 PM
Oct 2019

Thanks, congresscritters, for showing us who we need to investigate especially carefully.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
73. They're so stupid they don't realize if this was being held in public it would be much, much worse
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:11 PM
Oct 2019

for them and their cult leader.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
76. A Federal Crime
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:30 PM
Oct 2019



John Schindler
@20committee
The invasion of a SCIF by unauthorized persons isn't protest -- it's a Federal crime with serious #natsec implications. Lethal force is authorized to defend SCIFs. This isn't a joke. Next time Gaetz & his merry band of felons try this stunt, they should be ready for consequences.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
77. So lock them in the room with their pizza...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:35 PM
Oct 2019

Everyone else, leave, then lock the desperate fuckers in the “secured” room to tweet and video to their arrogant delight. They want to be in there so bad, keep them there. Take the proceedings elsewhere and punish them later.

And they need punished. If they aren’t, Democracy in America will not be respected again. Destroyed from within.

mahina

(17,622 posts)
78. We could fundraise at DU for an ad in Gaetz's local newspaper.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:41 PM
Oct 2019

I’m sure Representative Schiff and speaker Pelosi will come out with a statement. We could publish that statement in a section of their newspaper so that at least those of his supporters who can read will at least be exposed to the truth.

I’ll find out the cost per inch. Please pm me if you’re in. I’m guessing 300.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
82. so now its Pelosi's court to exact as harsh of punishment as she can, there is NO other
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:59 PM
Oct 2019

choice

Now we will see if our leadership has what it takes

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. This is a show of THEIR "desperate" action against OUR putsch.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

Heroic patriots that they are. The Democrats are trying to overthrow democracy, replace it with fascistic socialism, and they are nobly trying to stop us.

There is no doubt of that. Botany and Yavin are on the right track. Those who imagine this is just silly stupidity really need to take a good look at what's been happening on the right and with hundreds of subverted elections and seating of corrupt judges at all levels.

The Republicans have been increasingly adopting tactics from the fascistic playbook for taking over a government for some time, and Russia's been helping them, including helping corrupt our government and electorate through them, for at least a decade.

How far this goes will depend on the electorate, IF we haven't already had our last true national election. That's to be seen, though the midterms showed clearly that a serious majority believe n our democracy are not at all fascists in training. But then neither were the people of Germany; the Jews weren't the only ones who didn't believe "it could happen" there until it was too late.

Regarding the suggestion of violence in this, I've come to believe a major reason why the Republicans have opposed gun control over the past few years is to increase the incidences of violence and other unrest, including encouragement of potentially violent white power groups. Creating rising fear that causes a majority to call for STRONGER government to restore safety is a major fascistic tactic.

As for this, who organized it and decided on "a couple dozen," out of a couple hundred would create the effect they wanted? Kevin McCarthy of course, likely with Scalise, maybe "the woman" Liz Cheney, and no doubt plotting the whole show with McConnell and others.

“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
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