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imavoter

(646 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 08:44 PM Oct 2019

Former Fort Worth Police Officer Aaron Dean Charged With Murder For Shooting Atatiana Jefferson

Source: DFW CBS Local

The Fort Worth Police officer who shot and killed a woman in her home early Saturday morning has been booked into the Tarrant County Jail and charged with murder.

Bond has been set at $200,000

Read more: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/14/former-fort-worth-police-officer-aaron-dean-charged-murder-atatiana-jefferson/

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Former Fort Worth Police Officer Aaron Dean Charged With Murder For Shooting Atatiana Jefferson (Original Post) imavoter Oct 2019 OP
Good. yardwork Oct 2019 #1
OK, but are his trainers or supervisors taking any heat? TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #2
Reading the story a perusing others about it, it seems the FWPD is a bit of a mess rpannier Oct 2019 #5
Good news. Bond should be higher in my opinion. Unacceptable to shoot through bedroom window iluvtennis Oct 2019 #3
Me, too. Should be 200 million. rickyhall Oct 2019 #8
Good. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #4
I'm not sure is it is such a hard task to fill police positions in these cities that they take yaesu Oct 2019 #6
This guy. Iggo Oct 2019 #7
Go ahead; scowl all you want, you trigger-happy asshole! Aristus Oct 2019 #11
Oh good! Chemisse Oct 2019 #9
I Tried blakstoneranger Oct 2019 #10
The police told you details about complaints about another cadet? JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #12
A news show stated that the victim was pointing a gun at the window. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #13
News report is correct. MicaelS Oct 2019 #14
If that's the case, the murder charge is a good one. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #15
I was wrong, corrected my post. n/t MicaelS Oct 2019 #16
Did you watch the bodycam video? Beaverhausen Oct 2019 #17
I am going by the latest news here in Ft. Worth. MicaelS Oct 2019 #18
If that's the case, the cop will probably get off, maybe get his job back JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #19
Cops did NOT identify themselves. MicaelS Oct 2019 #20
It's unfortunate, but I think you might be right. Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #21
in texas, you do not need a carry permit inside your residence or your vehicle imavoter Oct 2019 #24
It's still a bad idea to point a gun at a window when you don't know what (or who) is outside. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #27
the nephew is 8 imavoter Oct 2019 #25
I'm guessing he said that after "intensive questioning" down at the station, right? regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #26
I really don't know imavoter Oct 2019 #29
He didn't identify himself as police. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #23
As he should be. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #22
If she did point the gun at him I don't see a murder charge sticking inwiththenew Oct 2019 #28

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
5. Reading the story a perusing others about it, it seems the FWPD is a bit of a mess
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:07 PM
Oct 2019

Joel Fitzgerald’s Attorney Says If Former Police Chief Had Been Reinstated ‘Atatiana Probably Would Be Alive’

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/13/joel-fitzgeralds-attorney-says-if-former-police-chief-had-been-reinstated-atatiana-probably-would-be-alive/

I am skeptical of the attorney for Joel Fitzgerald's take. But, it does give an idea of some dysfunction in the FWPD

iluvtennis

(19,833 posts)
3. Good news. Bond should be higher in my opinion. Unacceptable to shoot through bedroom window
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:00 PM
Oct 2019

at the Ms Jefferson in her home. Watched the officer cam tape and not even 2 seconds elapsed between the cop saying put your hands up and his firing shots.

He was not in danger (as he was outside the house) and when not in imminent danger the cop is supposed to take cover and call for backup. Enough of this shooting innocent ppl. Hope he is found guilty of murder just like Amber Guyger. Texas really needs to certify their officers know the correct police procedures and policies.

Rest in Peace Atatiana Jefferson

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
6. I'm not sure is it is such a hard task to fill police positions in these cities that they take
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:17 PM
Oct 2019

anyone with a heartbeat that can pass training or if its just poor recruitment but the biggest problem is these officers are scared to death of their jobs to the point of being trigger happy.

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
11. Go ahead; scowl all you want, you trigger-happy asshole!
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:28 PM
Oct 2019

You're not tough. You're a weak, cowardly shitpile, and I hope you go to prison for the rest of your life. In which case, you're going to need that scowl.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
9. Oh good!
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:14 AM
Oct 2019

It's long overdue for shootings such as these to receive prompt and definitive moves toward justice.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
10. I Tried
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:32 AM
Oct 2019

When I left the military, I applied for the police academy. One of the things they make you do is take a polygraph and a psych exam. During my processing, I ran into a number of people who were anxious to be officers. One such guy had established a relationship with some officers over a month prior to starting training. He had been going on incentive rides with several officers. But one day while sitting in a conference room, i overheard him tell another trainee "I can't wait to put one into one of those crackheads". I ignored it but I didn't forget. I got a job working for a private company so I dropped out of training. I called the station to explain that I wouldn't be back. I also told them about this one cadet. They said they had already heard complaints about the guy. He was overheard using the N..word several times. They kicked him out of training. What's funny is that he passed the psych exam and his polygraph! Some lucky person is still alive because this monster couldn't keep his mouth shut!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
12. The police told you details about complaints about another cadet?
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:48 PM
Oct 2019

How unusual. Police are normally tight-lipped, happy to take your statement, unwilling to share others' statements. Those cops need remedial training on when to keep their mouths shut, especially in conversation with not-cops.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
13. A news show stated that the victim was pointing a gun at the window.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:54 PM
Oct 2019

If that's a fact, and it's on video recordings, the charge of murder might be reduced or dropped. It could be a case of "good people on both sides", she has the right to protect her home, self, and occupants; he has the right to self-defense.

There better be clear video of a gun barrel pointed at him, or he's toast.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
14. News report is correct.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:04 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Tue Oct 15, 2019, 06:04 PM - Edit history (1)

I was wrong.

She saw the cop's face and pointed her gun at the window. Cop then shot her.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
15. If that's the case, the murder charge is a good one.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:08 PM
Oct 2019

And this guy should be too old to be a cop, by the time he gets out of prison.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
18. I am going by the latest news here in Ft. Worth.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:03 AM
Oct 2019

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:44 AM - Edit history (1)

The latest news is the nephew of the woman who she was sitting said his aunt heard a noise and got her gun out of her purse and pointed at the window.

She also had a carry permit.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
19. If that's the case, the cop will probably get off, maybe get his job back
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:52 PM
Oct 2019

I don't know Texas carry permit rules, but some states require training. The training I took stressed that you don't aim a gun unless you're sure of your target. So, you don't aim a gun at a window at night if you can't see what's outside.

If the cop saw someone pointing a gun at him, even if she couldn't see anything, he can make a case that the shot was justified. Dunno if it will fly, but I think a good lawyer will get the charges tossed out.

Apparently, the victim made a deadly mistake.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
20. Cops did NOT identify themselves.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:04 PM
Oct 2019

Did not go to the front door. Entered a gate to the side of the house and we're walking right outside the house.

Cops fucked up big time.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
21. It's unfortunate, but I think you might be right.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:19 PM
Oct 2019

It really shouldn't matter that she had a gun on her while investigating unknown people in her backyard at 2am in the morning. They will take his word that she pointed the gun at him and that he feared for his life. It's infuriating to think about.

I just cannot understand why the cops wouldn't knock on the door, and why they felt they had to approach the situation assuming that anyone in the house was a threat.

imavoter

(646 posts)
24. in texas, you do not need a carry permit inside your residence or your vehicle
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:06 PM
Oct 2019

Also, the officer did not identify himself at the house like he was supposed to.

I'm paraphrasing, but the chief of police even said..."this is texas. He didn't identify himself, and if she heard something, it's understandable she might feel the need to get her firearm" I'd have to find the minute mark on a couple of the videos, but the interm Police Chief said something like that...
at least twice.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
27. It's still a bad idea to point a gun at a window when you don't know what (or who) is outside.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:01 PM
Oct 2019

A thief, a burglar, a dog, a kid, a cop, a neighbor, if you don't know, keep the gun pointed at the ceiling or the floor. Not at the window.

I saw video of the police chief, and he's right. The cop should identify himself as a cop and give clear and repeated warnings. But with a gun pointed directly at him, there may be an exception to that procedure.

Sad that she did what she thought was best for herself and other occupants, but her error in gun-handling may have contributed to her being shot.

Is the video clear on where the gun was pointed?

imavoter

(646 posts)
25. the nephew is 8
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:11 PM
Oct 2019

so I don't know how much they are gonna let this fall on him.
I hope not much, because he should not have to be required to carry that burden.

and we also don't know if that story is true.

Lee Merritt told the press that the boy told him that he had wanted to go to the window, but the aunt wouldn't let him.
This could have been the little boy and not her. ugh. It's bad enough.

it's unknown, at this time where the gun was...and if it can't be proven...a judge may not later allow it...we'll see.

imavoter

(646 posts)
29. I really don't know
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:57 PM
Oct 2019

there haven't been any reports that they "interrogated" the boy.
I'm sure Merritt would be all over that if that was true.

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