Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine's leader
Source: Washington Post
President Trump repeatedly involved Vice President Pence in efforts to exert pressure on the leader of Ukraine at a time when the president was using other channels to solicit information that he hoped would be damaging to a Democratic rival, current and former U.S. officials said.
Trump instructed Pence not to attend the inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in May an event White House officials had pushed to put on the vice presidents calendar at a time when Ukraines new leader was seeking recognition and support from Washington, the officials said.
Months later, the president used Pence to tell Zelensky that U.S. aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption, officials said. At that time following Trumps July 25 phone call with Zelenksy the Ukrainians probably understood action on corruption to include the investigation of former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.
Officials close to Pence insist that he was unaware of Trumps efforts to press Zelensky for damaging information about Biden and his son, who had served on the board of an obscure Ukrainian gas company, when his father was overseeing U.S. policy on Ukraine. Pences activities occurred amid several indications of the presidents hidden agenda. Among them were the abrupt removal of the U.S. ambassador to Kiev; the visible efforts by the presidents lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to insert himself in the U.S.-Ukraine relationship; as well as alarms being raised inside the White House even before the emergence of an extraordinary whistleblower complaint about Trumps conduct.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-involved-pence-in-efforts-to-pressure-ukraines-leader-though-aides-say-vice-president-was-unaware-of-pursuit-of-dirt-on-bidens/2019/10/02/263aa9e2-e4a7-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html
Full headline: Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraines leader, though aides say vice president was unaware of pursuit of dirt on Bidens
Ari is covering this on his show right now (6:24 pm ET).
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,785 posts)That dog don't hunt.
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)Which is probably a good way to find out what they are guilty of!
Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)It's too subtle and trump is too fucking dumb to work it out.
Putin is the case officer on this one.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)You're right. Trump could never in a million years have figured out how to get Pence to help him achieve his goal without telling him what was going on.
Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)Putin can push trump to drop the sanctions. It's just that trump fucked that up today when he said that "Nobody's tougher on Russia than Me!"
Getting the dirt on Biden was trump's scam and that's getting him impeached.
Trump fucked up the operation on two levels.
All he had to do was follow simple instructions. As an apprentice foreign agent, trump should be fired.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)If Trump gets too toxic, it is pretty easy to punt him with Pence able to take over.
If Trump dirties Pence up, he's flirting with both going down ... which could bring Nancy Pelosi into play.
Trump only cares about Trump. Getting Pence involved in the scandal might make the GOP fight harder to protect Trump.
Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)Trump may have screwed himself. If Putin offers a dasha on Crimea, he should take it.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)and is now in position to help secure who the 46th President will be ...
Make America Grovel Again?
I think a bunch of brain cells just popped ...
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,993 posts)My fave so far:
Just what did Pence think he was being sent to Ukraine for?
Restaging the Handmaid's Tale???
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Welcome President Pelosi.
lindysalsagal
(20,683 posts)Trumps efforts to press the Ukrainian president for damaging information on Joe Biden and his son."
So, Pense is going to pin it on the dementia king. Even better.
I wonder what else Pense knows......ADAM! GET THE SUBPOENA!!!
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)and it was mentioned about the response to a question about Pence at a presser resulted in the answer to ask VP Pence because Pence had "several calls with Ukraine".
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771
So they can't have this deniability going on there.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)So the defense is that Pence is such an idiot that he didn't know what he was doing is wrong and he should not be blamed and allowed to take on the presidency when the idiot is impeached? I don't buy that.
Pence is guilty of so much more, let us not forget that he lied to the citizens of the USA when he appeared on TV and said that to "his knowledge", no one on the campaign had spoken to any Russians...
ffr
(22,669 posts)There is NO CHANCE he wasn't involved. He was lucky to skirt the Flynn treason matter. Guess two times wasn't the charm for him.
LOCK HIM UP TOO!
not fooled
(5,801 posts)As a fine, upstanding Christian man and an adult who is supposed to know right from wrong, pence could always have REFUSED to engage in red don's schemes.
No defense, no cover for co-conspirator mikey.
tavernier
(12,388 posts)Rolls off the tongue.
drray23
(7,627 posts)his uncanny ability to corrupt all and everybody around him. I still don't understand how he manages to do that.
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...brother pence is in the thick of it...
...you know, should trump and pence both be removed, Nancy would be President...
...what a pleasant thought...
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I have to admit, Trump dragging Pence into this is smart. Nixon only resigned after he lost the support of his own party. By dragging Pence into this, Trump essentially insures that Republicans in Congress have to defend him, because if he takes Pence down with him Pelosi is next in line for the presidency.