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BumRushDaShow

(128,965 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:57 PM Oct 2019

Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine's leader

Source: Washington Post

President Trump repeatedly involved Vice President Pence in efforts to exert pressure on the leader of Ukraine at a time when the president was using other channels to solicit information that he hoped would be damaging to a Democratic rival, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump instructed Pence not to attend the inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in May — an event White House officials had pushed to put on the vice president’s calendar — at a time when Ukraine’s new leader was seeking recognition and support from Washington, the officials said.

Months later, the president used Pence to tell Zelensky that U.S. aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption, officials said. At that time — following Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelenksy — the Ukrainians probably understood action on corruption to include the investigation of former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.

Officials close to Pence insist that he was unaware of Trump’s efforts to press Zelensky for damaging information about Biden and his son, who had served on the board of an obscure Ukrainian gas company, when his father was overseeing U.S. policy on Ukraine. Pence’s activities occurred amid several indications of the president’s hidden agenda. Among them were the abrupt removal of the U.S. ambassador to Kiev; the visible efforts by the president’s lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to insert himself in the U.S.-Ukraine relationship; as well as alarms being raised inside the White House even before the emergence of an extraordinary whistleblower complaint about Trump’s conduct.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-involved-pence-in-efforts-to-pressure-ukraines-leader-though-aides-say-vice-president-was-unaware-of-pursuit-of-dirt-on-bidens/2019/10/02/263aa9e2-e4a7-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html



Full headline: Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine’s leader, though aides say vice president was unaware of pursuit of dirt on Bidens

Ari is covering this on his show right now (6:24 pm ET).
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Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine's leader (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
If the Bides areally CORRUPT....The 2016 Trump Tower meeting of Jr's WAS about Russian adoptions. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2019 #1
It's all in their projection. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #2
This is not a trump operation. Turbineguy Oct 2019 #3
Bingo! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #4
I accept this completely Mike 03 Oct 2019 #6
With the new Russia-Ukraine agreement, Turbineguy Oct 2019 #14
I'm not as sure Jarqui Oct 2019 #10
Putin could protect Pence. Turbineguy Oct 2019 #16
Putin puts his thumb on the scale of US Democracy to determine the 45th President Jarqui Oct 2019 #17
Some of the comments under that story are priceless. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #5
... BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #7
Good that's two birds - one stone. blueinredohio Oct 2019 #8
The 2nd headline right underneath:"The vice president's aides, however, say he was unaware of Presid lindysalsagal Oct 2019 #9
Ari has been covering this story BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #11
This defense for Pence as he didn't know won't and should not fly Perseus Oct 2019 #12
Of course Pence knew. He's one of tRump's foreign policy wonks who spoke to Zelensky repeatedly. ffr Oct 2019 #13
Aaaannndddd not fooled Oct 2019 #15
President Pelosi. tavernier Oct 2019 #18
Trump is a despicable being, however historians will marvel at drray23 Oct 2019 #19
sounds like... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #20
Smart move democrattotheend Oct 2019 #21

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
1. If the Bides areally CORRUPT....The 2016 Trump Tower meeting of Jr's WAS about Russian adoptions.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:00 PM
Oct 2019

That dog don't hunt.

Turbineguy

(37,329 posts)
3. This is not a trump operation.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:02 PM
Oct 2019

It's too subtle and trump is too fucking dumb to work it out.

Putin is the case officer on this one.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
6. I accept this completely
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:09 PM
Oct 2019

You're right. Trump could never in a million years have figured out how to get Pence to help him achieve his goal without telling him what was going on.

Turbineguy

(37,329 posts)
14. With the new Russia-Ukraine agreement,
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:35 PM
Oct 2019

Putin can push trump to drop the sanctions. It's just that trump fucked that up today when he said that "Nobody's tougher on Russia than Me!"

Getting the dirt on Biden was trump's scam and that's getting him impeached.

Trump fucked up the operation on two levels.

All he had to do was follow simple instructions. As an apprentice foreign agent, trump should be fired.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
10. I'm not as sure
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:40 PM
Oct 2019

If Trump gets too toxic, it is pretty easy to punt him with Pence able to take over.

If Trump dirties Pence up, he's flirting with both going down ... which could bring Nancy Pelosi into play.

Trump only cares about Trump. Getting Pence involved in the scandal might make the GOP fight harder to protect Trump.

Turbineguy

(37,329 posts)
16. Putin could protect Pence.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:49 PM
Oct 2019

Trump may have screwed himself. If Putin offers a dasha on Crimea, he should take it.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
17. Putin puts his thumb on the scale of US Democracy to determine the 45th President
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 08:51 PM
Oct 2019

and is now in position to help secure who the 46th President will be ...

Make America Grovel Again?

I think a bunch of brain cells just popped ...

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,993 posts)
5. Some of the comments under that story are priceless.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:07 PM
Oct 2019

My fave so far:

Just what did Pence think he was being sent to Ukraine for?
Restaging the Handmaid's Tale???

lindysalsagal

(20,683 posts)
9. The 2nd headline right underneath:"The vice president's aides, however, say he was unaware of Presid
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019

Trump’s efforts to press the Ukrainian president for damaging information on Joe Biden and his son."

So, Pense is going to pin it on the dementia king. Even better.

I wonder what else Pense knows......ADAM! GET THE SUBPOENA!!!

BumRushDaShow

(128,965 posts)
11. Ari has been covering this story
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:46 PM
Oct 2019

and it was mentioned about the response to a question about Pence at a presser resulted in the answer to ask VP Pence because Pence had "several calls with Ukraine".

“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation, because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said at a news conference on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York. “I could save you a lot of time. They were all perfect. Nothing was mentioned of any import other than congratulations.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771


So they can't have this deniability going on there.
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
12. This defense for Pence as he didn't know won't and should not fly
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:54 PM
Oct 2019

So the defense is that Pence is such an idiot that he didn't know what he was doing is wrong and he should not be blamed and allowed to take on the presidency when the idiot is impeached? I don't buy that.

Pence is guilty of so much more, let us not forget that he lied to the citizens of the USA when he appeared on TV and said that to "his knowledge", no one on the campaign had spoken to any Russians...

ffr

(22,669 posts)
13. Of course Pence knew. He's one of tRump's foreign policy wonks who spoke to Zelensky repeatedly.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:56 PM
Oct 2019

There is NO CHANCE he wasn't involved. He was lucky to skirt the Flynn treason matter. Guess two times wasn't the charm for him.

LOCK HIM UP TOO!

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
15. Aaaannndddd
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:35 PM
Oct 2019

As a fine, upstanding Christian man and an adult who is supposed to know right from wrong, pence could always have REFUSED to engage in red don's schemes.

No defense, no cover for co-conspirator mikey.


drray23

(7,627 posts)
19. Trump is a despicable being, however historians will marvel at
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:58 PM
Oct 2019

his uncanny ability to corrupt all and everybody around him. I still don't understand how he manages to do that.

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
20. sounds like...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 12:00 AM
Oct 2019

...brother pence is in the thick of it...

...you know, should trump and pence both be removed, Nancy would be President...

...what a pleasant thought...

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
21. Smart move
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 09:58 PM
Oct 2019

I have to admit, Trump dragging Pence into this is smart. Nixon only resigned after he lost the support of his own party. By dragging Pence into this, Trump essentially insures that Republicans in Congress have to defend him, because if he takes Pence down with him Pelosi is next in line for the presidency.

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