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George II

(67,782 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:41 PM Oct 2019

Shoot Them in the Legs, Trump Suggested: Inside His Border War

Source: NY Times

By Michael D. Shear and Julie Hirschfeld Davis

Oct. 1, 2019


WASHINGTON -- The Oval Office meeting this past March began, as so many had, with President Trump fuming about migrants. But this time he had a solution. As White House advisers listened astonished, he ordered them to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico -- by noon the next day.

The advisers feared the president's edict would trap American tourists in Mexico, strand children at schools on both sides of the border and create an economic meltdown in two countries. Yet they also knew how much the president's zeal to stop immigration had sent him lurching for solutions, one more extreme than the next.

Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That's not allowed either, they told him.

"The president was frustrated and I think he took that moment to hit the reset button," said Thomas D. Homan, who had served as Mr. Trump's acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, recalling that week in March. "The president wanted it to be fixed quickly."



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage



Sick, just atrociously sick.
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Shoot Them in the Legs, Trump Suggested: Inside His Border War (Original Post) George II Oct 2019 OP
He suggests things that are not only totally illegal, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #1
Fucking monster. nt chowder66 Oct 2019 #2
Exactly. "Trump is a monster." This should be the theme of every Dem campaign. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #56
trump shouldn't worry The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #3
unless he is convicted upon impeachment, yes gopiscrap Oct 2019 #34
I fixed my question The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #47
They'd have to put him in solitary, but with the protection muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #51
I've long wondered how it happened that The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #4
It's the dehumanization that is common Hav Oct 2019 #16
You also need the propaganda from the media. Dustlawyer Oct 2019 #27
Hitler had that, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #28
It's funny you mentioned this The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #48
It's quite easy and this ploy is as old as civilization itself... Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #58
He is a clown, but the people who cheer for him are scary... Moostache Oct 2019 #5
I would venture to say... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #6
Ditto, every word! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #12
Thanks. Newest Reality Oct 2019 #13
Very good points. NT MrsCheaplaugh Oct 2019 #62
this is insane. but why wait for the book pr then tell it back then. fuck those money grubbers Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #7
Shoot children in their legs and you don't need such expensive cages. Film at 11:00. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #8
What an evil bastard. Freedomofspeech Oct 2019 #9
Cost estimates for Alligator filled moats? Gothmog Oct 2019 #10
Alligator-filled moats through the desert along the Mexican border The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #17
A round the clock 'Berlin Airlift' crazytown Oct 2019 #23
Remember the phrase 'compassionate conservative'? left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #11
Vlad... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #14
Don't give him any more ideas. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #18
Vlad the Impaler, (a source for the Dracula myth) left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #21
... The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #24
An ancient practice going back through the Roman empire defacto7 Oct 2019 #36
And of course Trump thinks W is a loser. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #25
Trump is a soulless man. riversedge Oct 2019 #15
My father was in favor Mendocino Oct 2019 #19
I wonder if any of Hitler's DNA still exists on this Earth? Dem2theMax Oct 2019 #20
Don't forget, trump's grandfather was Bavarian, not far from Austria. George II Oct 2019 #22
Trump said his daddy was born in Germany - a lie keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #38
At the time his grandfather was born there was no such thing as Germany. He was born in 1869.... George II Oct 2019 #40
For some reason I thought they lied and said they were Swiss to avoid the stigma at the time mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #49
Sweden - during and after WW2 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #53
HE'S GAWD DAMN INSANE....... a kennedy Oct 2019 #26
Totally fucking batshit insane. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #29
Good lord... DesertRat Oct 2019 #30
The man is BATSHIT crazy. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #31
psychopath. no empathy. nt Javaman Oct 2019 #32
Sick Sadistic Fuck Pachamama Oct 2019 #33
what a heartless soul less mother fucker gopiscrap Oct 2019 #35
Shouldn't he get back to nuking hurricanes? Generic Brad Oct 2019 #37
Trump won't be satisfied until he sees blood Baked Potato Oct 2019 #39
Reminds me of what he said about Megan Kelly!! George II Oct 2019 #42
Just so foul Baked Potato Oct 2019 #43
Impeach this psychopath RIGHT FUCKING NOW Blue Owl Oct 2019 #41
If the Anti-Christ is opposite of Jesus, then he's in the White House rickyhall Oct 2019 #44
I wish I could say I'm surprised. smdh. n/t area51 Oct 2019 #45
Your tax dollars at work "fiscal conservatives" meadowlander Oct 2019 #46
2000 miles of alligators and snakes. Kablooie Oct 2019 #50
Trump's research document TomVilmer Oct 2019 #52
Do you think this was leaked by Bolton? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #54
It would not surprise me if Bolton and some of his friends in the State Dept. are leaking things. George II Oct 2019 #60
Distraction. Look at my crazy comments, not my illegal actions. Chemisse Oct 2019 #55
This is why I roll my eyes at anyone who still says we don't have a race problem Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #57
And of course the usual suspects on the right Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #59
Obama warned us Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #61

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
1. He suggests things that are not only totally illegal,
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:45 PM
Oct 2019

but singularly inhumane.

Why does anyone with even a crumb of a conscience work for him?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
56. Exactly. "Trump is a monster." This should be the theme of every Dem campaign.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:46 AM
Oct 2019

We really can't make it any simpler than that.

Trump is a monster and he is a terrible danger to every family in America.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
3. trump shouldn't worry
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:47 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:48 AM - Edit history (2)

because due to his level of criminality he may soon have the opportunity to live in an environment very similar tp that he proposes for the southern border, JAIL.

Here's a question, would a former (fake) president still be eligible for secret service protection if placed in jail?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
51. They'd have to put him in solitary, but with the protection
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 04:45 AM
Oct 2019

His narciccism would go insane without any toadies to brown-nose him. I think he'd be transferred to a secure hospital quickly.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,670 posts)
4. I've long wondered how it happened that
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:50 PM
Oct 2019

Germany, a first-world country largely populated by educated, sophisticated people, could have so quickly devolved into a dictatorship that treated other human beings with unimaginable cruelty. Now I see it. All you need is a leader who is an unabashed sociopath with no regard for others, supported by people so attracted to power that they turn a blind eye to the leader's most horrendous instincts, et voila...

Hav

(5,969 posts)
16. It's the dehumanization that is common
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:27 PM
Oct 2019

and that can happen in any country. Once you've made that step, it's easy to stir up hate and accept cruelties to other groups. Thinking in terms of shithole countries or that people are criminals solely based on their origin who will endanger your well-being, for instance.
During my first visit to the US, I was shocked listening to a radio show where the moderator called Democrats vermin, rodent and similar terms because I think this is so dangerous.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
27. You also need the propaganda from the media.
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:05 PM
Oct 2019

Fox, Rush... have been displacing blame on minorities, immigrants, libruls, Soros, Clintons,... for decades. Their base has been programmed over the years in front of us. This is why these supporters can still believe Trump despite all of the facts, facts many of them never hear from their media of choice.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
48. It's funny you mentioned this
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:55 AM
Oct 2019

Growing up and learning about WWII and thereafter learning of German history I pondered this question as well as a youth, namely how could this have happened in the country of "dichter und denker"? This question bothered me so much that not only did I double major in psych and German as an undergrad, but I did my grad work in psych in Germany. Even with that I could never get the answer to this question that had bothered me since the age of eight. Now 41 years later I am beginning to understand the answer to the question. Time is not linear, it's circular.
Thank you for bringing this up.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
58. It's quite easy and this ploy is as old as civilization itself...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:17 AM
Oct 2019

1. Inflate a minor crisis into a major cataclysmic one (which is of course interconnected to a few other real crises) requiring drastic action...

2. Make sure some social/ethnic minority is exclusively fingered as a scapegoat and make sure the populace knows just how much better life would be for everyone if the scapegoat minority could be sent to some other country to live, or be erased from existence completely...

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
5. He is a clown, but the people who cheer for him are scary...
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

Anyone wanting to know why Germany became what it did under Hitler's insanity needs look no further than your average MAGA hat wearing idiot.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are MILLIONS of awful people who would gladly kill for Trump (as long as the targets are brown people)...

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. I would venture to say...
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:54 PM
Oct 2019

He hates most of us and this country just as much, maybe even more.

There is something deeper and darker in Trump than we might imagine. Why? Well, where does that hatred and rage come from?

There is something called a refractory period that usually is the result of an experience that has a strong, emotional charge. Some people are able to eventually recover and the refractory period gives way to more healthy and enjoyable emotions, reactions and behaviors. Others extend that period, sometimes inadvertently, indefinitely, especially if conditions and the personality support. It can be an endless, repetitive loop and even a downward spiral.

The more I learn about this human train wreck, the more I see deeper than aspects of money, power, control and even the personality disorder. This man appears to have a deep-seated and relentless grudge and, with the power of the office, he is enabled to take it out on as many people in as many ways as he can.

In other words, you don't let somebody that dangerous and willfully destructive have access to this kind of power, ever, not to mention nuclear codes. He is a wrathful demon and a threat to mankind. Really.

That concerns me even more, now.

keithbvadu2

(36,769 posts)
8. Shoot children in their legs and you don't need such expensive cages. Film at 11:00.
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 06:57 PM
Oct 2019

Shoot children in their legs and you don't need such expensive cages.

Trump plans ahead.

Great optics for his Trumpsters to cheer.

Film at 11:00.

Sarcasm? Not for himself or his followers.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,670 posts)
17. Alligator-filled moats through the desert along the Mexican border
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:33 PM
Oct 2019

are especially expensive because you have to keep replacing the alligators all the time. Alligator jerky, anyone?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
11. Remember the phrase 'compassionate conservative'?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:12 PM
Oct 2019

"the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators ...
He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh.
After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks"

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
14. Vlad...
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:23 PM
Oct 2019

Vlad the Impaler, (a source for the Dracula myth) would have liked that idea. He had a thing for putting heads on spikes all along road to frighten and demoralize any enemies marching to attack him.

So, that gets 4 Vlads.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
21. Vlad the Impaler, (a source for the Dracula myth)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:44 PM
Oct 2019

He often impaled live people on sharpened poles (you can imagine where he inserted the spike)
and lined the roads to his kingdom with them
to scare off invading troops.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
36. An ancient practice going back through the Roman empire
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:50 PM
Oct 2019

the ancient Assyrians, about every period of human history such things were common. Humans have been doing ugliness to other humans for as long as we've existed. I've seen pictures of such atrocities committed even in the last few years in the Middle East.

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
20. I wonder if any of Hitler's DNA still exists on this Earth?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 07:39 PM
Oct 2019

If it does exist, I sure would love to see Ancestry.com compare Hitler's DNA to drumpf's. I bet they would get a match. A very close match.

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. At the time his grandfather was born there was no such thing as Germany. He was born in 1869....
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:21 PM
Oct 2019

...and Germany didn't exist until 1871.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
49. For some reason I thought they lied and said they were Swiss to avoid the stigma at the time
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 03:14 AM
Oct 2019

of being German?

Also why they changed the name from Drumpf to Trump ... do I remember incorrectly?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
53. Sweden - during and after WW2
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:09 AM
Oct 2019
Fred Trump sought to pass himself off as Swedish amid anti-German sentiment sparked by World War II. According to the biography "The Trumps: Three Generations that Built an Empire" by Gwenda Blair, Fred Trump denied knowing German and did not teach it to his children.
John Walter, a Trump family historian and one of Donald Trump's cousins, said this was an effort to not offend his Jewish customers.
"He said, 'You don't sell apartments after the war if you're German,'?" Walter said in the Boston Globe article. "So he's Swedish, no problem."
Even after World War II, Fred Trump continued to claim he was Swedish, according to Walter.
Walter declined to comment to CNN on the family's heritage when reached by phone on Tuesday. CNN also has reached out to the White House for comment.
In his book, "The Art of the Deal," Donald Trump reaffirmed the myth of his family's origins, writing that his father's father came to America "from Sweden as a child."

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/trump-family-heritage/index.html

For money, basically. And Donald continued the lie.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,410 posts)
29. Totally fucking batshit insane.
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:06 PM
Oct 2019

I have ABSOLUTELY zero respect for any imbecile who supports him, my family and friends included.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
44. If the Anti-Christ is opposite of Jesus, then he's in the White House
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 11:06 PM
Oct 2019

And the Fundies support him. Armageddon for America.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
46. Your tax dollars at work "fiscal conservatives"
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:35 AM
Oct 2019

paying for a stable full of White House aides to explain to the President of the United States that building a 2000 mile moat stocked with alligators is a bad idea.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
50. 2000 miles of alligators and snakes.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 03:32 AM
Oct 2019

That's as long as a trench from Los Angeles to Chicago or New York to Denver all filled with billions of alligators and snakes.
That's the kind of defense I would have thought up in the 5th grade.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
54. Do you think this was leaked by Bolton?
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:15 AM
Oct 2019

He's said to want revenge, and this is not the image the military-industrial conservatives want.

Chemisse

(30,808 posts)
55. Distraction. Look at my crazy comments, not my illegal actions.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:33 AM
Oct 2019

It's not going to work this time around. The chickens have come home to roost.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
57. This is why I roll my eyes at anyone who still says we don't have a race problem
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:10 AM
Oct 2019

This is the office of the president, folks...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
59. And of course the usual suspects on the right
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:20 AM
Oct 2019

will either defend this as the legit thoughts of a rational mind or laugh it off as "Trump being Trump the lovable renegade" as we continue to fall into the abyss of fascism....

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