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OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:04 PM Sep 2019

Photo shows Canadian PM Justin Trudeau wearing brownface at 2001 party

Source: CBS News

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is under fire after a photo emerged of him wearing brownface to a party at a school where he was a teacher nearly 20 years ago. Trudeau, who faces re-election next month, said Wednesday night he "regrets it deeply."

"I should have known better," Trudeau told reporters. "I'm pissed off at myself. I'm disappointed in myself."

Trudeau was a 29-year-old teacher at West Point Grey Academy when the picture was taken, Liberal Party spokesperson Zita Astravas said in a statement to CBS News. The photo, first published by Time magazine Wednesday, was taken at an annual dinner, which had an "Arabian Nights" theme. Astravas said Trudeau was dressed as a character from Aladdin.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justin-trudeau-brownface-photo-time-magazine-shows-canadian-prime-minister-party-2019-09-18/

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Photo shows Canadian PM Justin Trudeau wearing brownface at 2001 party (Original Post) OnlinePoker Sep 2019 OP
Doh! DrToast Sep 2019 #1
And he was dressed as a character from a movie. LisaM Sep 2019 #2
True, also does it even have the same negative connotation in Canada? DrToast Sep 2019 #5
That's really the point. No, it doesn't. luvtheGWN Sep 2019 #35
black face in the minstrel context is to mock, demean, insult not_the_one Sep 2019 #49
2001! Polybius Sep 2019 #3
I can't say that I care. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #4
So blackface is cool? Polybius Sep 2019 #6
stop. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #7
Blackface in 2001 is disgusting Polybius Sep 2019 #11
blocking. you are being ridiculous. EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #13
When you can't find a response you block? Polybius Sep 2019 #14
because Demonaut Sep 2019 #50
The response was to EveHammond13 Polybius Sep 2019 #54
it was new to me Demonaut Sep 2019 #55
Do you think skin lightener is racist? Are self-tanning products racist? Doodley Sep 2019 #17
No Polybius Sep 2019 #18
You try to make your skin darker by going to the beach, but darkening skin to play a fictional Doodley Sep 2019 #19
One offends black people Polybius Sep 2019 #21
Who told you that nobody is offended that you try to color your skin by going to the beach? Doodley Sep 2019 #22
No one ever told me Polybius Sep 2019 #23
Who said it was "cool"? The difference between Trudeau and other politicians is..... George II Sep 2019 #15
He should have known better in 2001 Polybius Sep 2019 #16
He himself said he should have known better. He didn't say he didn't care. Duh. Beat the dead horse. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #31
I did move on Polybius Sep 2019 #34
He was at a COSTUME PARTY, for gawd's sake! luvtheGWN Sep 2019 #36
I'm brown and I'll give him credit for that IronLionZion Sep 2019 #38
He should not have to apologize for dressing up with makeup as a fictional character. Sorry, but Doodley Sep 2019 #8
+1 EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #9
+1, n/t cate94 Sep 2019 #12
+1... 2naSalit Sep 2019 #20
+1 emmaverybo Sep 2019 #24
Peter Sellers did the same for his character in The Party. PSPS Sep 2019 #25
Perhaps Canada wasn't as progressive as the US 18 years ago Jose Garcia Sep 2019 #37
In what way/s is it "far worse"? BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #40
I guess that's it for him, he had a nice run. Mosby Sep 2019 #10
Yes, the Western world has misunderstood and oppressed the Arab world for centuries, Has nothing emmaverybo Sep 2019 #26
How's he performed in office? tirebiter Sep 2019 #27
By all accounts he's been a good PM BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #42
I would say fair, not good. OnlinePoker Sep 2019 #43
Most would disagree. BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #44
Oh dear..... Turbineguy Sep 2019 #28
Had he been drinking? CTyankee Sep 2019 #29
Dont we have MFM008 Sep 2019 #30
I would still take Trudeau over Trump as the leader of my country . . . in a nanosecond. Vinca Sep 2019 #32
Donald Trump is a racist pig ! stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #33
NEW: Global News has obtained a video of Justin Trudeau in blackface. This is the 3rd instance... demmiblue Sep 2019 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #41
exactly. Trudeau apologized. Forgotten tomorrow. onetexan Sep 2019 #46
Exactly. Owl Sep 2019 #48
If Trump or Maxime Bernier did this they would throw it under the rug or make excuses dustyscamp Sep 2019 #45
One can do or say a racist thing without being racist... VarryOn Sep 2019 #47
and cheetos are mocked by trump Demonaut Sep 2019 #51
Frankly, I've always thought blackface is what people do when they don't have a costume. secondwind Sep 2019 #52
What a very quaint little scandal-- dawg day Sep 2019 #53

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
2. And he was dressed as a character from a movie.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:29 PM
Sep 2019

I don't think it's great news in our toxic culture, but I do find it different from being dressed as a minstrel or something.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
35. That's really the point. No, it doesn't.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:56 AM
Sep 2019

Consider that Trudeau welcomed over 25,000 Syrian refugees (you know, those middle eastern types with slightly darker skin) a few years ago, and has never demonstrated one iota of racism, because he wasn't brought up to think his skin colour was better than anyone else's.

The Conservative Party is desperate, and more and more is using GOP election tactics to do everything to smear Trudeau.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
49. black face in the minstrel context is to mock, demean, insult
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 11:22 PM
Sep 2019

I only saw the one photo of Justin as the middle eastern (Aladdin?), and ...

DAMN was he hot!!!

There was not one scintilla of mockery, demeaning insult received. If anything, it was very flattering.

If the rest of the photos are the same, this is nothing more than fake news, for the purpose of smearing Trudeau as if he was the equivalent to a fucking American republican.

Now THAT is an insult.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
3. 2001!
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:29 PM
Sep 2019

This is far worse than politicians here that were caught doing the same thing in the 60's and 80's.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
54. The response was to EveHammond13
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:29 AM
Sep 2019

Not sure why you felt the need to revive a 6 day old post to a user that was hypersensitive.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
17. Do you think skin lightener is racist? Are self-tanning products racist?
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:54 PM
Sep 2019

Is coloring hair racist? Is dressing up with meticulous effort to pay tribute to somebody or a fictional character racist? Is it racist for a white man to have blue paint applied to his skin to star in Avatar racist? Is it racist for a woman's body to be painted gold in a James Bond movie? Are sunbeds racist? When you stereotype people, when you denigrate people based on their color, that's racist. But color of all kinds is a beautiful thing. Let's celebrate it.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
18. No
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:59 PM
Sep 2019

I tan at the beach. Going to a costume party in blackface isn't remotely the same, but you know that already.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
19. You try to make your skin darker by going to the beach, but darkening skin to play a fictional
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:06 PM
Sep 2019

character for a few hours is a big problem for you. Explain the difference.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
21. One offends black people
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:09 PM
Sep 2019

For that reason alone we should never do it. It was big in the 30's.

But I'm done with this. We can't agree. I won't block you like the last posted did to me though, I'm sure we agree on many other issues.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
23. No one ever told me
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:19 PM
Sep 2019

If they did, I would be willing to listen. But I go for many other reasons. I enjoy the beach. It's fun.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Who said it was "cool"? The difference between Trudeau and other politicians is.....
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:46 PM
Sep 2019

...he IMMEDIATELY apologized, and didn't use the weary old "to anyone I may have offended". He apologized unequivocally, no weasel words.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
16. He should have known better in 2001
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:47 PM
Sep 2019

I'm not calling for him to resign or anything, and I am glad he apologized. But saying one doesn't care is ridiculous.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
31. He himself said he should have known better. He didn't say he didn't care. Duh. Beat the dead horse.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:27 AM
Sep 2019



Since you are glad he apologized and you are not calling for him to resign, then put real meaning behind that by moving on instead of endlessly flooding this thread to bash him needlessly. What more do you want him to do, since you are glad he apologized and you don't want him to resign?

Is he not progressive and liberal enough for you? You want him to apologize 10 times because 9 wouldn't be enough for you?

Give it a rest now. He said he made a mistake. You've said he was a bad guy about 20 times. Do you need to say it 20 more?

You want to beat down the liberal north of you and install a Conservative Prime Minister in the election on Oct 21? Keep beating your dead horse.

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
34. I did move on
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:43 AM
Sep 2019

I just needed to get it out there by saying what I said and blasting the act. He did what he did. I responded to his actions. Then I read his apology. Now I moved on.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
36. He was at a COSTUME PARTY, for gawd's sake!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:03 AM
Sep 2019

Dressed as a character from The Arabian Nights (which was the party's theme). Tell me how that is so different from your teacher in public school having you dress up as an "Indian" for the Thanksgiving pageant? Maybe with slightly darker skin and war paint -- or maybe the teacher picked the children with the darker skin to play the "Indians"....and you thought nothing was wrong with that twenty years ago.

Again, he was at a COSTUME PARTY. Nothing to apologize for, just dealing with the Conservative Party's dirty tricks (which they've adopted from the GOP).

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
8. He should not have to apologize for dressing up with makeup as a fictional character. Sorry, but
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:40 PM
Sep 2019

that is not racist.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
26. Yes, the Western world has misunderstood and oppressed the Arab world for centuries, Has nothing
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:16 AM
Sep 2019

to do with a fantasy or fiction. Will not, pervasive anti-Arab sentiment, evaporate when people stop
dressing up. There is no demeaning tradition of brownface tied to anti-Arab oppression.

The original work giving rise to popular culture themes in animation, cartoons, film, musicals was certainly not ethnically, culturally, societally accurate, but it was not intended to portray Arab characters as stupid grotesques.

Traditional casting, a white-centric practice that gave us Lawrence Olivier as a Moor, and a host of other grease-painted actors portraying stereo-types, must be challenged, but let us not trivialize
and conflate or drive people out of office for playing with costumes, make-up, and a magic carpet at a fantasy theme party.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
27. How's he performed in office?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:19 AM
Sep 2019

For instance Gov Northam had more than half of the Virginia Blacks saying he should not resign and he’s on tack to having Virginia 100% carbon free by 2050 and he’s transferring 100acres of Mattaponi land to the tribe so Trump can’t take it away and make some money from a back room deal. Just a couple things...

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
43. I would say fair, not good.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
Sep 2019

Positives - brought in policies to help lower income Canadians, legalized pot, had the most inclusive cabinet ever.

Negatives - bought the Transmountain pipeline and authorized expansion which will allow oil sands bitumen to be shipped out of Vancouver, broke ethics codes twice including once to try and influence the justice minister to drop a criminal case against a major Quebec corporation (and then forced her to resign), raised taxes on the middle class.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
44. Most would disagree.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:49 AM
Sep 2019

Everyone will always have their boutique issues and wants that don’t get serviced. I suspect that is the case with your dislike of him.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
29. Had he been drinking?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:58 AM
Sep 2019

I wonder, since drinking can lower your ability to make judgments about what you are doing. I'm not saying he might be drunk, but even a couple of glasses of wine could alter his decision making ability in this particular occasion (party).

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
32. I would still take Trudeau over Trump as the leader of my country . . . in a nanosecond.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:40 AM
Sep 2019

Also, see clips of Yul Brynner in "The King and I." It's not the same as appearing in black face.

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
39. NEW: Global News has obtained a video of Justin Trudeau in blackface. This is the 3rd instance...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 10:06 AM
Sep 2019
NEW: Global News has obtained a video of Justin Trudeau in blackface. This is the 3rd instance of Trudeau in blackface and is not from the other two events where Trudeau was in blackface



This is really disappointing.

Response to OnlinePoker (Original post)

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
45. If Trump or Maxime Bernier did this they would throw it under the rug or make excuses
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 12:06 PM
Sep 2019

Trudeau appears to be genuinely remorseful about it so Canadians should give him a chance

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
47. One can do or say a racist thing without being racist...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:46 AM
Sep 2019

It gets down to intent. Did he intend to make fun of, demean, or embarrass brown or black people? I dont think so. After all, he's got a history of being a nonracist amd someone who appreciates and helps those of opposites races and cultures. He's got a record of working to make lives better of such people. These three instances are complements of a history of racist behavior.

No one who knows him or who are political opponents would say in honesty that they think he's a racist.

No doubt, he made bad decisions when he was younger, and no doubt, he wouldnt do it again.

He's apologized for being a dumbass, was geniune in doing so, and Canadians should move on!

That said, his bigger problem is and should be over the SNP Lavalin scandal. I'm not convinced it'll take him down. They certainly got close to the line.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
52. Frankly, I've always thought blackface is what people do when they don't have a costume.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:11 AM
Sep 2019

I’ve never considered it racist.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
53. What a very quaint little scandal--
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:56 AM
Sep 2019

Compared to a president committing treason and extorting an ally to illegally fabricate a crime by a political opponent....

And that's only the latest horrible travesty Trumpism.

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