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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,232 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:14 PM Sep 2019

Federal employees could face more discipline under proposed new rules

Source: Washington Post

Politics
Federal employees could face more discipline under proposed new rules

By Eric Yoder, National reporter focusing on internal federal government personnel, management and budget policies
September 17 at 2:56 PM

Federal agencies would have greater freedom in disciplining their employees, and the employees would be guaranteed only the minimum protections required by law, under rules the Trump administration proposed Tuesday. ... The rules would strip away many of the practices agencies have followed in disciplining employees while urging them to move as fast as the law allows. (1)

For example, the rules emphasize management’s discretion to order penalties up to firing in cases of alleged misconduct regardless of whether an agency had taken lesser actions against the employee first and regardless of how it had responded in some similar past situations. ... For cases of alleged poor performance, agencies would have more leeway in fulfilling their obligation to help employees try to improve before taking disciplinary action.

Most of the changes would put in place the parts of a May 2018 executive order from President Trump that are not affected by a court injunction blocking portions of that order and two others issued at the same time. (2) ... In proposing the rules for a 30-day comment period, the Office of Personnel Management said that “failure to address unacceptable performance and misconduct undermines morale, burdens good performers with subpar colleagues, and inhibits the ability of executive agencies to accomplish their missions.”

After issuing proposed rules, an agency must review the comments and respond to them when issuing final rules, which may included changes. There is no deadline for those steps. Further, changes in federal personnel policies commonly don’t take actual effect until OPM later issues guidance to agencies.
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Eric Yoder is a National reporter at The Washington Post. He has reported for The Post since 2000, concentrating on federal employee issues, the budget and government management policies. Follow https://twitter.com/EricYoderWP

(1) https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/09/17/2019-19636/probation-on-initial-appointment-to-a-competitive-position-performance-based-reduction-in-grade-and

(2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/their-personal-information-was-hacked-but-the-trump-administration-doesnt-want-to-pay/2019/09/09/6a008bd0-d33e-11e9-9610-fb56c5522e1c_story.html

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-employees-could-face-more-discipline-under-proposed-new-rules/2019/09/17/5fdb9846-d976-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html



Probation on Initial Appointment to a Competitive Position, Performance-Based Reduction in Grade and Removal Actions and Adverse Actions

A Proposed Rule by the Personnel Management Office on 09/17/2019

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/09/17/2019-19636/probation-on-initial-appointment-to-a-competitive-position-performance-based-reduction-in-grade-and
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Federal employees could face more discipline under proposed new rules (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2019 OP
The goal of this policy is clearly stated and matches ALL of Trump's policies bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #1
Or TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #2
I'm going to guess that their unions SoCalNative Sep 2019 #3
Our Union Got A Contract Imposed On It modrepub Sep 2019 #4
Taking it to court is about all they can do. DetroitLegalBeagle Sep 2019 #5
Trump always proposes harsh treatment for others but NOT for himself or family #CrueltyisthePoint riversedge Sep 2019 #6
Any Federal employee not fooled Sep 2019 #7
Goodbye, due process. bluedigger Sep 2019 #8
sounds like they'd be treated like non-fed employees Skittles Sep 2019 #9
La la land Smackdown2019 Sep 2019 #10
If these same standards are applied to the Executive Branch Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #11
More civil servants than you might think will be on DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #12
Question atreides1 Sep 2019 #13
We've all had supervisors in over their heads DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #14
So, ye Federal peasants: JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2019 #15

bucolic_frolic

(42,980 posts)
1. The goal of this policy is clearly stated and matches ALL of Trump's policies
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019

"undermines morale, burdens good performers with subpar colleagues, and inhibits the ability of executive agencies to accomplish their missions.”

In. A. Nutshell.

modrepub

(3,486 posts)
4. Our Union Got A Contract Imposed On It
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:14 PM
Sep 2019

Not something the MSM picked up on. Assuming other federal agencies have had or will experience the same at some point.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,912 posts)
5. Taking it to court is about all they can do.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:15 PM
Sep 2019

The courts could decide to block this as they have the other rules and orders.

Smackdown2019

(1,183 posts)
10. La la land
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

We just need to have two governments ... USA and Russia Trump Government. USA could just mirror the trump government by pushing the daily list of fired fake people, while the real employees run our nations without retaliation. Seems they been hoodwinking him anyhow.

DeminPennswoods

(15,264 posts)
12. More civil servants than you might think will be on
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 03:05 AM
Sep 2019

board with this. There is little that's more frustrating than having to pick up the work of a slacker or imcompetent co-worker.

Can't speak for other agencies or departments, but my command's union wasn't very strong and management coordinated with HR to impose pretty much whatever discipline they wanted.

atreides1

(16,062 posts)
13. Question
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:43 AM
Sep 2019

What about incompetent supervisors? You know the type...you do all the work, they take all the credit! They get the grade/step increases while at the same time telling you that your job description doesn't justify a grade increase, or that you're really not deserving of a step increase!

In my experience the biggest problem with a lot of civil servants is that they're all under the impression that it's the other guy who slacks off or is incompetent! At one time or another mostly all civil servants are slackers...have you been to a post office lately?

Now to be honest there is a percentage of civil servants who live to work, we call these workaholics, they come in early, they leave late, sometimes they're sociable, other times they're not...but work is their life!!!

So, let them lower the protections across the board, because those civil servants who think they're the hard working, competent ones, may get a rude awakening...

DeminPennswoods

(15,264 posts)
14. We've all had supervisors in over their heads
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:31 AM
Sep 2019

A few of mine took credit for my work on their way up the ladder, too. But there are some federal employees who just need to be fired, but because of the involved documentary process to do that, they are just passed from one job to another. In my quarter century of federal employment, I never saw anyone denied a step increase although I did see a lot of really good people either passed over for promotion or not even bother to apply for them because they thought the job was in the bag for someone else.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
15. So, ye Federal peasants:
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 03:47 PM
Sep 2019

Dare not jest at the glorious leader's brilliant use of sharpies to correct the errors of viziers and alchemists and wizards and witches. Our leader knows more than some bunch of pocket-protector-wearing bookworms.

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