Corbyn vows to put 'sensible' Brexit deal to voters in referendum

[brooklynite]

Source: The Guardian

Jeremy Corbyn has set out the four pillars of a Brexit deal he would negotiate with the EU, as he pledged to “carry out whatever the people decide” in a second EU referendum as Labour prime minister.

The Labour leader gave the clearest statement yet of his plan to offer the public a choice between a “sensible” Brexit deal negotiated by his government involving a customs union and remaining in the EU, ahead of a forthcoming battle over the party’s position at its autumn conference next week.

At the annual gathering in Brighton, Corbyn will come under pressure from some party members to shift towards campaigning in favour of remaining in the EU, with senior shadow cabinet figures - John McDonnell, Emily Thornberry, Tom Watson and Nick Brown – all having said they would want to campaign to stay in the bloc regardless of any Brexit deal negotiated by Labour.

But Corbyn laid down a marker of his determination to seek a better Brexit deal from the EU, which the party believes it could negotiate quickly based on conversations already undertaken with Brussels.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/17/corbyn-vows-to-put-sensible-brexit-deal-to-voters-in-referendum

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Corbyn seems to believe that he can win an election if it's on traditional economic issues, and doesn't want to offend any "leave" or "remain" supporters.

[BlueMTexpat]

1. Corbyn is as

delusional as Boris Johnson.

There is simply no "better" Brexit deal.

Neither is a profile in courage. The UK has been very poorly served by its two major parties.

[beachbumbob]

2. fact of the matter, the voters created this mess and now they will have to live with it

there was going to be no "good" exit from the EU, then or now

[BlueMTexpat]

3. I agree that there is

no "good" exit. But the loudest noise wrt to the 2016 referendum came from the "Leave" factions headed up by Nigel Farage and the British media were about as helpful as US media in the 2016 US Presidential election, who gave carte blanche to Trump whenever he called them up and let him run on unchallenged..

Neither of the two main parties in the UK did enough to educate the voters about what benefits membership in the EU gave them, primarily because they thought it was a "no-brainer." They were disastrously wrong.

Cameron should NEVER have called for a referendum on something so important, especially as it was so carelessly conceived and could carry by a simple majority. That he would callously walk away and leave his successors to deal with the carnage was one of the most cowardly acts ever in British politics, IMO. As for the vote itself, most British expats - among the most educated about the ongoing benefits of EU relationship - could not vote on it.

The impact on Northern Ireland will be disastrous if there is no deal and could mean a return of "The Troubles." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

A British territory on the Continent that will also be very badly impacted by a no-deal Brexit is Gibraltar, which has remained a long-festering low-level dispute between Spain and Britain for centuries. Gibraltar, like Northern Ireland, voted to "remain." Overwhelmingly. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Referendum)_Act_2016_(Gibraltar)

Both of these areas and others will suffer inordinately as a result of idiot voters primarily in rural England and Wales (Scotland and London City also voted to remain) who believe that the British Empire still exists. Ironically, these rural areas have benefited the most from EU membership and literally cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Neither the Tories nor Labour served their constituencies well in this vote. The Lib Dems and SNP both want to remain. But I have been disillusioned with the Lib Dems since Clegg chose to form a coalition with Cameron instead of with Labour, their more natural partners.

Unfortunately, if any major democracy is in worse shape than ours today, it is that of the UK.

[apnu]

4. 51.8% of the voters made this mess

This is why our Founders decided to make major changes to our government by 2/3 majority. Simple majorities lead to this kind of shit show.