'Get real': Senior Democrats shut down Kavanaugh impeachment push
Source: Politico
Senior Democrats are moving quickly to snuff out calls to impeach Brett Kavanaugh, arguing those tactics are unrealistic and politically harmful.
Democrats are already wrestling with whether to try to oust President Donald Trump, and leadership sees little room for the party to take on a second divisive impeachment saga barely a year before the presidential election. So the demands by 2020 presidential contenders to remove the Supreme Court justice, on the heels of new reporting about allegations of sexual misconduct, are getting panned.
Get real, as Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) put it Monday afternoon.
Weve got to get beyond this impeachment is the answer to every problem. Its not realistic, Durbin said. If thats how we are identified in Congress, as the impeachment Congress, we run the risk that people will feel were ignoring the issues that mean a lot to them as families.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/16/democrats-brett-kavanaugh-impeachment-calls-1499444
dhol82
(9,351 posts)Gonna be Clarence Thomas redux.
question everything
(47,264 posts)He was confirmed. And, it appears, that the NYT is now in the dumps.
There are other, more important things to do.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)Impeachment has no statute of limitations for the Supremes. They can always be impeached over and over again if need be. Time for Brett to explain why he whips out his weenie every time he drinks.
Next up impeach Clarance Thomas for sexual harassment and bribery.
question everything
(47,264 posts)instead of concentrating on what matters in daily life will endear us to many voters?
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)It's not either or. It's both.
You can not let voters forget what pervs the GOP are. For too long us liberals played nice and polite while knowing full well RepubliCONS were using every dirty trick in the book. The least we can do is constantly remind them of the traitorous, immoral, debauchery and crimes the supposed conservative party commits hourly.
Does little man Putin only uses trolls? Does the NRA ever keep quiet after yet another gun massacre? People are suffering and dying under this corrupt rule and ignoring an opportunity to show their true colors is bringing a knife to a gun fight.
We only have the House. Should we stop there? Should we quit striving for the Senate, the presidency and the courts? Use every tool possible.
rainy
(6,083 posts)not political whimps.
TheRealNorth
(9,435 posts)We got to throw out Don the Con and Moscow Mitch.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)rainin
(3,010 posts)Let one democrat feel the sting of our ire. It can be a message to our leadership that we're serious about fighting back. Republicans have changed our government by fighting... not by deciding to fail before the fight begins.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)convict him is simply probably not going to happen.
What would happen though is the Repugnant leadership would get together in a secret meeting and hash out what of theirs is most vulnerable to a Democratic challenger like Collins and they would have her and some others vote to convict.
They will not allow enough to vote to convict that he is actually removed from office but they will do enough to try and take the wind out of our sails before the election.
A better plan is simply to hold their feet to the fire as we get up to the election and beyond and if he should win then seek impeachment in 2021 just before the next round of elections.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)brooklynite
(93,843 posts)Other than an unsupported third party claim? That'll work.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)Before we claim there is no evidence.
The man has serious psychological problems if he whips it out every time he drinks.
Let's actually do an investigation and not a mere background check.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Same with trump.
Failed impeachments threaten us in 2020.
That is not why we won in 18.
Its healthcare. Our first, second and third message. That is how we win suburbia.
Butterflylady
(3,523 posts)We won because people woke up to what is going on and know we we need democrats to get something done. We let it continue and we lose. Durbin is wrong.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)All post election polling showed that our promise to defend healthcare against republicans continued attack is what swayed the suburban voters, mainly female, to switch to voting Democratic. And they could easily switch back and give a shit about impeachment. But they care deeply about healthcare for their families.
We do not have the power to remove anyone from office. An impeachment with no conviction is a win for trump.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)grumpyduck
(6,197 posts)the short-term political gain instead of the long-term result to the country?
Seriously?
calguy
(5,222 posts)We can't afford to get distracted by this sideshow. Get real.Defeating trump is job ONE. Any time wasted on sideshows simply helps trump. An attempt to impeach Weiner Boy would only motivate on the fence republicans to show up at the polls and make our job number one harder to achieve.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)Keep little weenie whipper on his toes by constantly bringing up all his foul and illegal sexual conduct. Brett needs to know he maybe gone soon enough.
Then next up Clarence "pubic hair on my coke," and Long Dong Silver Thomas...and don't forget how his wife took bribes and he never reported them for 6 years.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)... it's a distraction and diversion for the electorate. And when he doesn't get convicted (which he won't be), it becomes a victory for the repugs.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)We should keep threatening impeachment....not necessarily ever sending it to Moscow Mitch.
The Moscow Mitch Senate will never impeach. But keeping his crimes in front of the public will keep the weenie whipper on his toes And remind voters what pervs the GOP is.
I also believe we should do this with Traitor Trump.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts).... A background noise of investigations and "leaks" will serve as a foil to high light the foreground policy and character campaign .
dweller
(23,559 posts)that Moscow Mitch can ignore !
yeh, progress aka .. winning 🙄
or is that pronounced
'whinging' ... 'whining' ?
😑
✌🏼
durablend
(7,415 posts)Weve got to get beyond this impeachment is the answer to every problem. Its not realistic, Durbin said. If thats how we are identified in Congress, as the impeachment Congress, we run the risk that people will feel were ignoring the issues that mean a lot to them as families.
When Trump burns the country to the ground, those "kitchen table" issues won't mean shit anyway.
regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)I don't see how they fail to realize that, barring a major economic collapse, Trump WINS on "bread-and-butter issues." Because, while we can nitpick about how he just inherited Obama's economy, or that virtually all the gains are going to the top, the fact remains that most people aren't doing badly right now. Unemployment is pretty low, the financial indicators seem to be good. Trump certainly hasn't botched the economy (yet). If we want the 2020 election to be about whether voters feel comfortable with the economy, we better start planning for who will be the candidate with the best chance of beating Ivanka in 2024.
SCantiGOP
(13,855 posts)He is not going to be impeached, so why are we encouraging the distraction and helping the GOP raise money?
47 Dems in the Senate; 67 votes needed for impeachment. Please explain the path to victory before you start trashing the Democrats who dont want to waste time and political capital on this.
ripcord
(5,081 posts)The correction in the article made it look like a hit piece and throws shade on anyone not supporting impeachment.
Voltaire2
(12,610 posts)Impeachment happens in the House, not the Senate.
So yes, Trump, Kavanaugh, the whole set of forknuts can be impeached.
chowder66
(9,010 posts)Then they could go after him later.
If they are planning on going after Barr that would make 3.
That's a lot of work and Trump is already akin to probably 666 impeachment investigations.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Maybe impeachment is the only answer..
Locutusofborg
(524 posts)Who might possibly be open to voting Trump or Kavanaugh guilty in an impeachment trial? Without those 19 Senate Republicans, impeachment leads to a not guilty verdict and Trump/Kavanaugh vindication.
in2herbs
(2,942 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)anyone that thinks there is a chance enough Repugnants would finally do the right thing for the right reason is unfortunately mistaken.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)and whether it will be successful or not. ONLY play if you can win.
Fuck right or wrong and "the rule of law"...
You do what is right BECAUSE it is right. To do anything else is surrender.
This attitude will be the death of the democratic party.
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)It has to do with simple math, specifically the number 67.
Grasswire2
(13,564 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,207 posts)the NY Time's ass.
"Witness" for plaintiff worked for Hillary. Who is gonna believe him.
Other "victim" doesn't recall it happened.
Impeachment process will be nothing but ammo for Fox and claims of Democratic harassment and fake news.
*I didn't make that one up.
TomSlick
(11,032 posts)The ship has sailed. At this point, we need to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Gore1FL
(21,028 posts)Let's just build the case.
regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)The sad fact is that, if enough blew up in Rapey Brett's face over the next month to make him a major public embarrassment, the only chance we'd have of getting impeachment and conviction would be while Trump remains in office, because, if the scandal is bad enough, we might get Republicans to join in knowing that Donnie will get the chance to replace him with another conservative. But, if a Democrat becomes president? There's no way you're going to get even one single Republican to vote to convict during an impeachment trial if they know that, by doing so, they'd remove a reliable conservative vote and replace him with a justice nominated by President Biden/Warren/Sanders/whoever. Even if, to use the old saying, Rapey Brett was found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, they'd make sure he stays on the court, because anything would be preferable to -- gasp! -- a liberal.
exboyfil
(17,857 posts)Whoever replaces him before the Congress is seated will vote just the same and may be more stable. Probably will live longer as well.
Hope Thomas refuses to step down before Jan, 2021. That really is the only hope right now. That and Ginsburg making it to Jan, 2021. And the Democrats getting 50 Senators. And the Presidency.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)Except for Susan Collins. She'll wring her hands, talk about impeachment, and at the last second will vote the way McConnell wants.
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)effort into impeachment a year plus ago as they have put into talking down impeachment and telling the Democratic base that impeachment was unreasonable (or we have to wait for
.).
The way to get legislation passed to benefit families is to impeach Trump and stop the GOP tatcics of delay and packing agencies and the courts with right wing ass hats.
I don't find Durbin very realistic
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)We have a crazy unfit President and Kavanaugh doesn't deserve his job. Nobody is talking about impeaching Gorsuch.
I doubt there is much Congress can do for me and my family with Trump in charge.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)fascist government, filling the courts with fascist judges and military pending? how about zero!
notinkansas
(1,095 posts)Being known as the impeachment Congress would be a huge step forward for the do-nothing Senate.
Like Moscow Mitch really cares about issues families face? Or the rest of the repubs?
stopbush
(24,376 posts)One of the Ds who is always ready to confirm that Ds will apologize at the drop of a hat, as opposed to Rs who never apologize for anything.
Guess who Americans like better.
manicdem
(386 posts)Would you take putting Trump and Kavanaugh before an impeachment investigation in exchange for losing the 2020 Presidential election and the House?
That's what it seems like is going to happen.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,461 posts)Im sorry but hes right. We walked right into a trap with this, aided by a planted story in the NYT. In my opinion this was a planned ratfucking and some of our top candidates took the bait without even thinking about it. We look foolish.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Getting into a fight you know you will lose is never a good idea.
eShirl
(18,466 posts)WE ALREADY FEEL THAT WAY
bucolic_frolic
(42,661 posts)No 60% Senate majority, no impeachment. And that would still need Republican patriots, which last time I looked, are nowhere to be counted.
ck4829
(34,974 posts)cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)Maybe not a stretch to use the word collaborator either.
RandiFan1290
(6,206 posts)brooklynite
(93,843 posts)KPN
(15,585 posts)Why do people decide not to vote? For some, it is a conscious decision. How many times have I heard -- especially from younger people -- things like "they're all politicians; they say and do whatever will get them the most votes/keep them in office?"; "they're just out for themselves, not what's good/right for the people." We are talking about Democratic and D-leaning voters here.
In my mind, at worst it's a wash -- so, let's do what's right ... and by doing so, energize our voters, energize our base.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)KG
(28,749 posts)again.
Lonestarblue
(9,874 posts)Kavanaugh is the epitome of the whiney privileged kid believes he is above everyone else and has gotten away with nasty behavior his whole life. No, he does not belong on the Supreme Court, but it would be better to suggest that if he were a decent human being he would resign rather than threaten impeachment.
Democrats need to focus, not go in many different directions. They are no calling enough attention to bills passed already that Moscow Mitch is killing single handedly. I think they would be better served to have at most two committees investigating Trump for impeachment: one focusing on obstruction and the other focusing on emoluments and Trumps self enrichment. Even to this committed Democrat, its hard to understand what the various committees are doing.
Yavin4
(35,354 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Maxheader
(4,366 posts)Translation: "When figured into our schedule, it would cut into our fall, winter, spring and
summer vaca...er...recesses...
CousinIT
(9,151 posts)IOW, AFTER 2020/2021. Kavanaugh will be there. It's not like they don't know where to find him or the witnesses against him. There is some TIME. They can concentrate on 2020 for right now, impeach the rapist later.
GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)They depend on third parties not to notice their behavior.
More_Cowbell
(2,190 posts)I'm hoping that we win everything in 2020 and we make a deal with him and the GOP that he will resign and we won't expand the court.
I know that means that he escapes justice, but I think that he'll never be punished for his numerous crimes, anyway.
bucolic_frolic
(42,661 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)We all know DAMN fuckin' well what the GOP would be doing at this very moment if Kavanaugh was an Obama appointee...
(No, they wouldn't impeach him, but they WOULD browbeat and shame Dem leadership to the point where we'd twist his arm into resigning himself.)
patphil
(6,024 posts)I think this is an unnecessary distraction at this time.
I would rather wait until after the 2020 election to pursue the matter further.
It's impossible to successfully pursue now, and if he resigned, Trump would just put another swamp creature on the court...someone who might not be vulnerable to removal for past actions and could give the Republicans decades of right wing conservative rulings.
It might even be easier to pursue this is civil court.
In any event, we need a non-partisan Justice Department to get any real investigation done.
That isn't going to happen until 2021.
Patrick Phillips
LiberalLovinLug
(14,153 posts)House Democrat (Nadler) Promises Kavanaugh Investigation if Party Wins Control!
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/16/house-judiciary-kavanaugh-impeachment-1498124
Judiciary chairman (Nadler) throws cold water on Kavanaugh impeachment
Why not both?????? Why does it have to be one or the other?
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/impeach-both-trump-and-kavanaugh/
Impeach Trump and Kavanaugh Both
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)The Cons will drum up an equal number of folks to deny. We can't prove he's lying if we can't prove he did it.
We need to find some real damning evidence they can't refute.
onecaliberal
(32,478 posts)For fucks sake.