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FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:12 PM Sep 2019

Attack on Saudi oil facility came from direction of Iran, not Yemen: U.S. official

Source: Reuters

DUBAI (Reuters) - The attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities on Saturday that has threatened global oil supplies came from the direction of Iran, and cruise missiles may have been used, according to a senior U.S. official. The comments added heft to Washington’s accusation that Iran was behind the attacks that knocked out more than 5% of global oil supply, instead of the Yemeni Houthi group that claimed it. Tehran has rejected the accusation but said it was ready for war.

The U.S. official, who asked not to be named, said there were 19 points of impact in the attack on Saudi facilities and that evidence showed the launch area was west-northwest of the targets - the direction of Iran - not south from Yemen.

The official added that Saudi officials had indicated they had seen signs that cruise missiles were used in the attack, which is inconsistent with the Iran-aligned Houthi group’s claim that it conducted the attack with 10 drones.

“There’s no doubt that Iran is responsible for this. No matter how you slice it, there’s no escaping it. There’s no other candidate,” the official told reporters.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-attacks/attack-on-saudi-oil-facility-came-from-direction-of-iran-not-yemen-u-s-official-idUSKBN1W00SA

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Attack on Saudi oil facility came from direction of Iran, not Yemen: U.S. official (Original Post) FBaggins Sep 2019 OP
Sure it did. And Iraq had WMDs. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #1
Yea no kidding! bluestarone Sep 2019 #11
Is there a map with a Sharpie arrow to prove it? nt intrepidity Sep 2019 #2
Can't believe a word out of this administration walkingman Sep 2019 #3
Can't believe a word that comes out of a republican, it was the same during St. Reagan, GH Bush and Perseus Sep 2019 #39
Um, I have some doubts Cartoonist Sep 2019 #4
Sure... but why would this one matter? FBaggins Sep 2019 #6
Okay atreides1 Sep 2019 #10
Even if they allied with Iran JonLP24 Sep 2019 #13
I'm certainly not going to align with Iran FBaggins Sep 2019 #14
I wouldn't ally with Saudi Arabia JonLP24 Sep 2019 #16
Agreed. The Saudi Royals are an enemy of the U.S. and Humanity. n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #23
tRump and the Saudis... Wuddles440 Sep 2019 #17
There's an election in a bit over a year FBaggins Sep 2019 #18
Anyone can get a drone these days. Hell they sale a number of them at the varies Walmarts near me cstanleytech Sep 2019 #24
The attack wasn't close to that kind of drone FBaggins Sep 2019 #28
CH-4B drones then? cstanleytech Sep 2019 #29
Iran develops their own weapons... but I'd be guessing FBaggins Sep 2019 #30
That is certainly possible but until the wreckage of the drone is examined it is still up the air. cstanleytech Sep 2019 #31
WH are liars. Iliyah Sep 2019 #5
Fat chance that's true...nt 2naSalit Sep 2019 #7
I no.longer believe anything said by this administration, bent on war. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #8
So true! bluestarone Sep 2019 #12
Show us some doctored satellite photos so we can correct them with a Sharpie. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #9
Am I missing something here? West-northwest doesn't make any sense at all. Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #15
And global warming is a hoax, and migrants are carrying backpacks full of weed . . . hatrack Sep 2019 #19
Terrifying.. Maxheader Sep 2019 #20
This is very worrisome. Delphinus Sep 2019 #21
I can smell the bullshit from here. GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #22
Even if this is true the real blame still lays with Donalds father for cstanleytech Sep 2019 #25
Yeap yeap. I mean, it's plausible that Iran did this Sapient Donkey Sep 2019 #26
Definitely the modern Boy Who Cried Wolf FBaggins Sep 2019 #32
He will when he is sent to prison rockfordfile Sep 2019 #37
West Northwest of Saudi Arabia is Egypt, not Iran Leith Sep 2019 #27
Well... the Houthis reportedly took credit FBaggins Sep 2019 #38
Lies. roamer65 Sep 2019 #33
Of course there is FBaggins Sep 2019 #34
They know it would start a war. roamer65 Sep 2019 #35
Yeah sure, just like that hurricane was heading straight for Alabama IronLionZion Sep 2019 #36
The planes that hit the World Trade Center flew in from the west. Midnight Writer Sep 2019 #40
No. Not falling for ANY Trump admin BS. n/t Chemisse Sep 2019 #41
From what direction is Russia? shawn703 Sep 2019 #42
Hope the Democrats don't fall for this garbage RandiFan1290 Sep 2019 #43
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
39. Can't believe a word that comes out of a republican, it was the same during St. Reagan, GH Bush and
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:15 PM
Sep 2019

GW Bush...they are all liars, all the republican in the Senate, the Congress.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
4. Um, I have some doubts
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:16 PM
Sep 2019

I have no evidence concerning the attack, but I have lots of evidence of this administration's lies.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
6. Sure... but why would this one matter?
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:19 PM
Sep 2019

The Houthis in Yemen (who took credit for the attack) are a puppet of Iran anyway. If they have drones... they got them from Iran.

What I would believe is that (like the attack on the tankers), it isn't the Iranian government... but their sometimes-rogue IRGC

atreides1

(16,066 posts)
10. Okay
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:26 PM
Sep 2019

Personally I don't have a problem with the Iranians assisting the Houthis, in launching attacks against the very same country that provided the master mind and the human assets that attacked the US on 9/11!!!

I wish someone had done it sooner!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
13. Even if they allied with Iran
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:43 PM
Sep 2019

When the war started Yemen government was a kleptocracy and Saudi Arabia's wahabbi ideology hates religious minorities like the Houthis or Shia's in Eastern SA & Bahrain.

Who knows what is really going but I don't trust Saudi Arabia or US when it comes to Saudi Arabia. They are not honest Khasshogi is a good example.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. I'm certainly not going to align with Iran
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:46 PM
Sep 2019

And I haven’t seen a rationale that either Trumo or the Saudis would benefit from this... while Iran could

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. I wouldn't ally with Saudi Arabia
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:01 PM
Sep 2019

Who has been bombing Yemen on a daily basis with US made weapons and suddenly there is this big controversy when Houthis launch an attack back.

In Saudi Arabia there is an ultraconservative sect from the 1700s ruling over sites such as Mecca & Medina so there's going to be war & now there's oil involved so the alliance is about money. The US wouldn't allow regime change there even they might nationalize oil production and kick out the oil companies which is what Iran did but the excuse back then for regime change was that they could be a puppet of the Soviet Union.

Wuddles440

(1,120 posts)
17. tRump and the Saudis...
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:37 PM
Sep 2019

could most certainly benefit! It's a predicate for war with Iran and further arms sales to the murderous Saudis. Trust absolutely nothing from this administration. If there's one thing they excel at, it's treachery and deceit.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
18. There's an election in a bit over a year
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:39 PM
Sep 2019

I don’t see how war with Iran does anything but hurt him for next November.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
24. Anyone can get a drone these days. Hell they sale a number of them at the varies Walmarts near me
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

and the selection you can get at other sites online is even larger.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
28. The attack wasn't close to that kind of drone
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:14 PM
Sep 2019

These were closer to knock-offs of our Predator... or were outright cruise missiles.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
15. Am I missing something here? West-northwest doesn't make any sense at all.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:50 PM
Sep 2019

If the attacks originated from west-northwest of the target site... that's inside Saudi Arabia. There's nothing else in that direction until you reach the Red Sea. Did they perhaps mean east-northeast, and Reuters got it wrong? Or am I suddenly unable to interpret a map for some reason?

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
19. And global warming is a hoax, and migrants are carrying backpacks full of weed . . .
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:48 PM
Sep 2019

And we need to lower interest rates, and fundamentalist Christians are under attack, and Obama took away everybody's guns, and we've just got to cut spending because of those exploding deficits, and we've just got to cut taxes because of those poor oppressed Job Creators, and coal is coming back, and opioids are perfectly safe, and white men are horribly oppressed, and the biggest threat to 'Murca is video games.

Did I miss anything, "Senior US Official"?

Maxheader

(4,370 posts)
20. Terrifying..
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:12 PM
Sep 2019

Officials in our defense dept parroting the yellow haired traitor...
We won't have accurate information on americun military action..
or reasons...

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
25. Even if this is true the real blame still lays with Donalds father for
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:35 PM
Sep 2019

not teaching his son that one of the consequences of constantly lying is that eventually no one will believe you when try to tell the truth.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
26. Yeap yeap. I mean, it's plausible that Iran did this
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:01 PM
Sep 2019

but I sure in hell am not going to believe this administration just because they say so. There better be some pretty hard concrete evidence that backs their claim. And even then I will be looking at it with a very skeptical eye.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
32. Definitely the modern Boy Who Cried Wolf
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:47 PM
Sep 2019

Unfortunately, he still wields the power of the presidency and doesn't seem to care whether or not we believe him.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
27. West Northwest of Saudi Arabia is Egypt, not Iran
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

Also Jordan and Israel.

The news is tripe. Absolute garbage. This morning it was drones from the Houthis, now it's missiles from Iran to the "west?" They gotta do better than this.


FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
38. Well... the Houthis reportedly took credit
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:09 PM
Sep 2019

So that’s not so unreasonable.

Latest word is that it was thought to be Iranian forces in Iraq and a drone was sited over Kuwait.

Additionally... drones and cruise missiles can easily change course at waypoints to appear to come from other sources. Pretty standard tactics even back in the 80s. But something launched from Yemen wouldn’t fly over Kuwait even accepting that.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
34. Of course there is
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:17 PM
Sep 2019

Or at least... a logical reason to attack. If they could have a lasting impact on SA oil production, prices would skyrocket... simultaneously making Iranian oil that much more valuable and pressuring the west to lift the sanctions that have cut their production by 80%.

Some had speculated at $100+ prices. Doubling their profits per barrel and increase their exports five-fold? That sounds like a motivation to me.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
35. They know it would start a war.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:37 PM
Sep 2019

They can’t export oil if Kharg Island is blown off the map.

Kharg Island is their main export facility. If Iran is responsible they are playing a very dangerous gambit.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
36. Yeah sure, just like that hurricane was heading straight for Alabama
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:43 PM
Sep 2019

Dude wants war with someone to help boost his poll numbers before the election.

Lawmakers aim to twist Trump’s arm on Yemen — and check his cozy ties to Saudi Arabia
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/10/20849004/trump-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-mbs-ndaa

Midnight Writer

(21,715 posts)
40. The planes that hit the World Trade Center flew in from the west.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:41 AM
Sep 2019

Does that mean they were from Pennsylvania?

Drones can turn, can they not?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
42. From what direction is Russia?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:22 AM
Sep 2019

It’s not like they’d have nothing to gain from us getting entangled in another Middle Eastern conflict and hoping that conflict weakens us by stretching us further thin militarily and hoping Americans re-elect Trump like they did Bush in 2004. And gee, aren’t they also a major oil producing country who would benefit from a shortage? It would seem like they’d have a lot more to gain than Iran would.

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