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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:10 PM Sep 2019

Police arrest Minnesota man for arson after a 117-year-old synagogue burns to the ground

Source: Portland Press Herald

A 117-year-old synagogue in Duluth burned to the ground on Monday. Four days later, police arrested a 36-year-old Minnesota man for allegedly setting the fire that destroyed the oldest modern orthodox synagogue in Northern Minnesota.

Matthew J. Amiot was booked on first-degree arson Friday after allegedly setting the historic house of worship ablaze. No one was inside at the time, though six Torah scrolls – sacred Jewish texts handwritten on parchment paper – were destroyed.

At a Sunday news conference, Police Chief Mike Tusken said “there is no reason to believe this is a bias or hate crime” at this time. Authorities have not determined the motive.

According to Duluth fire chief Shawn Krizaj, firefighters responded to the Adas Israel Congregation at 2:30 a.m., Monday. Krizaj explained at Sunday’s news conference that the fire initiated outside of the building but “quickly spread through voids in the wall space and spread throughout the synagogue.

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Read more: https://www.pressherald.com/2019/09/15/police-arrest-minnesota-man-for-arson-after-a-117-year-old-synagogue-burns-to-the-ground/

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Police arrest Minnesota man for arson after a 117-year-old synagogue burns to the ground (Original Post) jpak Sep 2019 OP
Shame! They say not a hate crime BUT bluestarone Sep 2019 #1
First degree arson, but no bias or hate crime. Mc Mike Sep 2019 #2
"He's an architectural critic." - That is funny Perseus Sep 2019 #8
They should just say we don't know whether or not it's a hate crime, not 'it isn't a hate crime and Mc Mike Sep 2019 #9
EXACTLY! bluestarone Sep 2019 #12
Not really. The hate crime would be the motive. In its absence, the motive remains unknown. Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #5
Uh, no. skypilot Sep 2019 #17
Given the automatic assumption from some here that it is a hate crime... Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #18
It might or might not be... skypilot Sep 2019 #24
I wasn't commenting on what the journalist said. Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #27
Hence, all speculative presumptions must be addressed by the story? LanternWaste Sep 2019 #25
What, no accusation of self-righteousness? Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #30
Maybe he's schizophrenic or something? Drahthaardogs Sep 2019 #23
Dammit! Throw the book at that asshole! MineralMan Sep 2019 #3
The guy's FB account is full of Pepe's and photos of guns 11cents Sep 2019 #4
Which facebook account are you talking about? Sapient Donkey Sep 2019 #10
Just another unbiased guy who likes to burn down synagogues. Sneederbunk Sep 2019 #6
maybe the poor guy had economic anxiety JI7 Sep 2019 #7
Right wing Kristallnacht. Some very fine people according to Trump. keithbvadu2 Sep 2019 #11
Police Chief Mike Tusken said "there is no reason to believe this is a is a bias or hate crime Evolve Dammit Sep 2019 #13
Yes, not leaping to a conclusion is absolutely the same as enabling Nazis. Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #19
you missed a simple question. I didn't hear any follow-up in the media and sounds likeyou did. Evolve Dammit Sep 2019 #31
Thank God he's not a terrorist IronLionZion Sep 2019 #14
Two other houses of worship have burned in the neighborhood in the past three years. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #15
Were they also results of arson? Behind the Aegis Sep 2019 #20
IIRC the investigations are still ongoing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #28
He has no known address. Homeless people are often saddled with arson charges because they don't WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #16
Where did you discover he had "no known address" and that he is homeless? Behind the Aegis Sep 2019 #21
Local coverage. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Sep 2019 #22
His facebook page is full of guns and Jesus, imagine my surprise. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #26

bluestarone

(16,911 posts)
1. Shame! They say not a hate crime BUT
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:18 PM
Sep 2019

Then they say no motive, Kinda contradicts their theory of no hate crime doesn't it? Just saying.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
2. First degree arson, but no bias or hate crime.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:33 PM
Sep 2019

Burnt it down premeditated, with malice aforethought. But not because he doesn't like Jews or synagogues.

He's an architectural critic.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. "He's an architectural critic." - That is funny
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:43 PM
Sep 2019

I guess they can't give a motive at this time until they do the full investigation. I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
9. They should just say we don't know whether or not it's a hate crime, not 'it isn't a hate crime and
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:04 PM
Sep 2019

we don't know until we investigate, but we're charging first degree anyway.'

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
5. Not really. The hate crime would be the motive. In its absence, the motive remains unknown.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:48 PM
Sep 2019

I tend to be somewhat skeptical that it isn't a hate crime, given the current climate. They probably should have said, "At this time, as the motive remains unknown, it does not appear to be a hate crime. That may change in the course of the investigation." Clearly he burned it down for some reason, unless he's a pyromaniac with a history of random arson.

skypilot

(8,853 posts)
17. Uh, no.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:15 PM
Sep 2019

Just say that the motive is unknown. To speak further on what it appears to be or doesn't appear to be is specious.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
18. Given the automatic assumption from some here that it is a hate crime...
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:23 PM
Sep 2019

I think it's worthwhile stating that that doesn't appear to be the case at present, with the added caveat that that determination may be made after further investigation. There's nothing wrong with stating the absence of evidence, as long as they don't carry on with that as a premise of the investigation.

skypilot

(8,853 posts)
24. It might or might not be...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:54 AM
Sep 2019

...a hate crime but all that a journalist need say is that the motive is unknown at this time.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
27. I wasn't commenting on what the journalist said.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Sep 2019

They were quoting the sheriff, so my comment was aimed more at how I think he ought to have phrased it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. Hence, all speculative presumptions must be addressed by the story?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:03 AM
Sep 2019

Or just the one?



If the latter, what is the objective and relevant difference?

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
30. What, no accusation of self-righteousness?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:30 AM
Sep 2019

Or was that supposed to go in the blank space in the middle there?

11cents

(1,777 posts)
4. The guy's FB account is full of Pepe's and photos of guns
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:46 PM
Sep 2019

But sure, no reason to suspect political terrorism, aka "hate crime."

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
10. Which facebook account are you talking about?
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:43 PM
Sep 2019

I didn't see any pepe memes on the two I found. I did see three pictures of guns, with two of them being the same photos but one of them is edited. He also had some Christianity type photos posted too, but other than it didn't really give much insight into this guy. Even the list of likes was pretty standard stuff.

Did you see a different page?

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
11. Right wing Kristallnacht. Some very fine people according to Trump.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:06 PM
Sep 2019

Right wing Kristallnacht.

Some very fine people according to Trump.

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
13. Police Chief Mike Tusken said "there is no reason to believe this is a is a bias or hate crime
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:07 PM
Sep 2019

Seriously? He just did it because he enjoys burning synagogues.....? I smell nazi enablement again. Also, why was there no follow-up on the Vegas accountant gunman? Anyone know what his "motive" was? Never heard boo in the media in the aftermath.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
19. Yes, not leaping to a conclusion is absolutely the same as enabling Nazis.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019

Also, speaking of leaping to conclusions, why do you assume there was "no follow-up" on the Vegas shooter? Do you suppose the authorities, from local on up to federal, just didn't feel like it? Decided to wash the squad cars that day instead? Too busy chowing down on donuts? In your imagination, did they just shrug helplessly and say, "Ah, why bother?"

To the best of my knowledge, they were never able to determine a motive for the shooting, despite extensive investigation. Either the information required has not (and may never) come to light or its significance has not been recognized, or there was simply no motive beyond a desire to kill people. Sometimes we don't get all the answers to our questions.

Evidently they discovered child pornography on his computers, and also on his brother's computers. Perhaps he had reason to believe he was under investigation and that the hammer would drop at any time, and decided to take as many people down with him as he possibly could.

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
31. you missed a simple question. I didn't hear any follow-up in the media and sounds likeyou did.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:47 PM
Sep 2019

Thanks for sharing more info about the extensive investigation. Curious what news outlets reported it. I can't read everything, so appreciate the insight.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
16. He has no known address. Homeless people are often saddled with arson charges because they don't
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:27 PM
Sep 2019

have the means to defend themselves well and also go along to get easier access to services.

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