Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 03:14 AM Sep 2019

US and Brazil agree to Amazon development

Source: BBC

The US and Brazil have agreed to promote private-sector development in the Amazon, during a meeting in Washington on Friday.

They also pledged a $100m (£80m) biodiversity conservation fund for the Amazon led by the private sector.

Brazil's foreign minister said opening the rainforest to economic development was the only way to protect it.
...
Environmentalists will say this scheme is a ruse to open up the Amazon for mining, logging and farming.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-49694516



Yeah, I mean, what's suspicious about a fascist government inviting a kleptocratic one to promote private-sector "development" of the world's largest rain forest? What could possibly go wrong for the forest?
21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
US and Brazil agree to Amazon development (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 OP
"They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum..." Beartracks Sep 2019 #1
How stupid do they think people are BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #2
It's not really that at all... OldBaldy1701E Sep 2019 #3
Brazil is burning down the rain forests to create soy bean. erlewyne Sep 2019 #6
YES, it's the brazenness. MBS Sep 2019 #8
Nailed it. Thanks Old Baldy Evolve Dammit Sep 2019 #14
Biodiversity: 100 million hectare industrial park and a cactus bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #4
"To save the rainforest, we have to destroy it." Efilroft Sul Sep 2019 #5
The Age of MAGA,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2019 #7
The myth paleotn Sep 2019 #9
Why is Trump supporting BRAZILIAN farmers, but pissing on AMERICAN farmers? NickB79 Sep 2019 #10
So big corporations can buy the bankrupt farmers' land for... Lock him up. Sep 2019 #18
I'll have to run this by my 5 uncles NickB79 Sep 2019 #19
Tell them they've been conned by the biggest conman in History. Lock him up. Sep 2019 #20
So now tRump can claim he's the, "environmental" president Bayard Sep 2019 #11
At the beginning of this month, my husband and I saw the NY Botanical Garden exhibit karynnj Sep 2019 #12
IT45 hates the natural world with a pathological vigor. bronxiteforever Sep 2019 #13
We have no money for toothpaste for kids but can do this? Takket Sep 2019 #15
Brazil has a dictator. I want to hear candidates talk about the criminal leader in Brazil rockfordfile Sep 2019 #16
Trump is as guilty as Bolsonaro in the destruction of the "world's lungs." Pure evil. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2019 #17
The Amazon is not "the lungs of the world." That's a myth. Jedi Guy Sep 2019 #21

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
1. "They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum..."
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 03:49 AM
Sep 2019

There! Saved! Now let's pave paradise and get on with making money... I mean developing... I mean conserving, yeah, conserving the rain forest!!1!

<-- if needed

=======

OldBaldy1701E

(5,088 posts)
3. It's not really that at all...
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:31 AM
Sep 2019

It is how brazen they are. They know we all see it, but they also know there is no one willing to do anything about it. So, they keep on doing whatever they want. This will continue until the American public either realizes that drastic actions are in the wind, or the experiment crumbles, as plenty of societies in history have done. It will all come down to us. Not governments, not higher powers, just us. We will have to fix it. And, based on what I am seeing, we don't want to...

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
6. Brazil is burning down the rain forests to create soy bean.
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:02 AM
Sep 2019

All Trump needs to do is raise the tariffs on China.
Of course Donald will not profit from this.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
5. "To save the rainforest, we have to destroy it."
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:09 AM
Sep 2019

Brazil's foreign minister might as well have spoken those words.

paleotn

(17,879 posts)
9. The myth
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:09 AM
Sep 2019

that the private sector will eventually do the right thing and doesn’t need government interference to ensure it does. That’s the greatest lie of conservatism since Reagan. Scandal after scandal, the housing collapse, the S&L meltdown, Enron, deep water horizon disaster, the opioid scandal and on and on. And yet many in this country still believe the unfettered capitalism bullshit.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
10. Why is Trump supporting BRAZILIAN farmers, but pissing on AMERICAN farmers?
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:14 AM
Sep 2019

The more beef and soy they make, the less market share US farmers have.

WTF?

Lock him up.

(6,918 posts)
18. So big corporations can buy the bankrupt farmers' land for...
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:55 AM
Sep 2019

pennies on the dollar.

It's a big club, and farmers are not in it.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
19. I'll have to run this by my 5 uncles
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:58 AM
Sep 2019

All Trump-voting, dairy/corn/soy farmers who absolutely loved him during the last election.

They've been oddly quiet the past 6 months.

Lock him up.

(6,918 posts)
20. Tell them they've been conned by the biggest conman in History.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:02 AM
Sep 2019

Tell them if they want the next Prez, House & Senate to try to save them from losing their farms, they must vote Democratic all the way down ballot, and pray it won't be too late 18 months from now.

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
11. So now tRump can claim he's the, "environmental" president
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

"conservation fund for the Amazon led by the private sector". How much will he make off this deal?

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
12. At the beginning of this month, my husband and I saw the NY Botanical Garden exhibit
Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:31 AM
Sep 2019

that included a part that explained the importance of the Amazon and how they are still finding new plants there never categorized before. The main exhibit was on the work of Roberto Burle Marx, but a side exhibit covered the work done by botanists associated with the NYBT in Brazil.

The importance of that rain forest goes beyond its critical role in fighting climate change. Many not yet known species might have significant purposes. It was astonishing to see statistics on the number of plants that exist nowhere else than one of the regions in Brazil highlighted by the conservation exhibit.

The main exhibit was stunning, but the side exhibit more thought provoking.

NYT write up - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/arts/design/roberto-burle-marx-botanical-garden.html

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
21. The Amazon is not "the lungs of the world." That's a myth.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:30 AM
Sep 2019

The net flux of oxygen to the atmosphere from the Amazon rainforest is pretty much zero. That' s not to say that it's not worthwhile to protect the Amazon; it absolutely is. But the oft-repeated "lungs of the earth" thing is not factual. One expert on the Amazon even went so far as to say that it's "bullshit."

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»US and Brazil agree to Am...