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Sierra89

(127 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:29 AM Sep 2019

Federal Weather Workers 'Shocked' and 'Irate' by NOAA Backing Trump, Union Head Says

Source: The Daily Beast

The head of the union that represents federal weather workers said Friday that his members are “shocked, stunned and irate” that the federal agency whose workers they represent put out a statement siding with President Trump in the increasingly bizarre dispute over whether Hurricane Dorian was on track to hit Alabama.

“Never ever before has their management thrown them under the bus like this,” said Dan Sobien, president of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, which represents 4,000 employees under the umbrella of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

“These are the people risking their lives flying into hurricanes and putting out forecasts that save lives. Never before has their management undercut their scientifically sound reasoning and forecasts,” Sobien told The Daily Beast.

Sobien’s reaction is the latest development in a storm-fueled sideshow that has consumed the president for much of the week and been dubbed “Sharpie-gate.”

It began Sunday, when President Trump tweeted out that Dorian was expected to hit Alabama—and the NWS’s Birmingham office posted a correction:“Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east,” the tweet said.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/noaa-left-federal-weather-workers-shocked-and-irate-by-backing-trump-union-head-says



The next swipe will be trump hacking NWS FY20 budget. Nothing should surprise or shock us anymore If it does, you have not been paying attention.
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Federal Weather Workers 'Shocked' and 'Irate' by NOAA Backing Trump, Union Head Says (Original Post) Sierra89 Sep 2019 OP
Trump corrupts everything. madaboutharry Sep 2019 #1
true. also many willing participants . It's as if many were primed and ready for corruption Kurt V. Sep 2019 #2
Everything he touches turns to tRump. nt Mc Mike Sep 2019 #11
Managers of a SCIENCE agency undercutting their own MBS Sep 2019 #3
Lies about storms are threats against safety. delisen Sep 2019 #4
The strangest part of this to me is that he just wouldn't let it go underpants Sep 2019 #5
The irony is..... paleotn Sep 2019 #7
My wife said EVERYONE was talking about it at work underpants Sep 2019 #8
Yep. I've heard the same... paleotn Sep 2019 #9
Remember that BumRushDaShow Sep 2019 #21
GREAT! Fingers crossed! elleng Sep 2019 #23
👋🏻 underpants Sep 2019 #25
That's One RobinA Sep 2019 #32
Another government agency The Wizard Sep 2019 #6
exactly Locrian Sep 2019 #15
Just plane old black mail... Javaman Sep 2019 #10
I think you have the right answer.. pangaia Sep 2019 #12
I starting thinking about this a little more.... Javaman Sep 2019 #14
Yes, absolutely progree Sep 2019 #16
republicans control more and more agencies, departments, every day.. pangaia Sep 2019 #30
This is what fascism looks like. yardwork Sep 2019 #13
Hope we can replace them all bluestarone Sep 2019 #17
We WILL, surely replace those on top who quickly succumbed to his pressure, elleng Sep 2019 #24
Trump personality disorder extvbroadcaster Sep 2019 #18
+1 dalton99a Sep 2019 #19
Trump is hiding some scandal so he is willing to deflect to take the heat on sharpie-gate. usaf-vet Sep 2019 #20
It isn't "NOAA" Turbineguy Sep 2019 #22
The perpetrator of the NOAA "apology" was none other than this person: The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #26
That page comes from ProPublica. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2019 #28
Mystery solved JHB Sep 2019 #27
Gonna be kinda hard.. Maxheader Sep 2019 #29
Was teh NOAA letter supporting Cryptoad Sep 2019 #31
kick Dawson Leery Sep 2019 #33
They all need to be held accountable for their actions. LiberalFighter Sep 2019 #34
"The NOAA and the National Hurricane Center had given Trump information rocktivity Sep 2019 #35
This is why we can't have nice things..... yellowcanine Sep 2019 #36

MBS

(9,688 posts)
3. Managers of a SCIENCE agency undercutting their own
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:15 AM
Sep 2019

... scientists, and denying their own agency’s data, really crosses a line. I’m shocked and irate myself.
Please make this STOP.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
5. The strangest part of this to me is that he just wouldn't let it go
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:48 AM
Sep 2019

For god's sake man you screwed up, don't keep bringing it up.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
7. The irony is.....
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:17 AM
Sep 2019

after all this walking dumpster fire has done, this might be his undoing among Republicans who aren't deep cult followers or avowed white supremists. Those who voted for Cruz, sleepy Ben, Kasich, etc. in the '16 primaries. The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Anecdotal, but I've heard rumblings among those I know who weren't his fans in 2016, but fell in line like the good authoritarians they are.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
9. Yep. I've heard the same...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:27 AM
Sep 2019

Locking kids in squalid cages didn't upset them. But messing with weather maps? That's going too far.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
21. Remember that
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:50 AM
Sep 2019

the caged children are "other". Not "human". Brown people who have already been thoroughly dehumanized by the GOP.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
32. That's One
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 04:58 PM
Sep 2019

if my favorite Trump traits. He’s pathetically unable to cut his losses. It’s a good thing he doesn’t gamble, because he would have lost everything the first time he ever tried it.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
6. Another government agency
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:57 AM
Sep 2019

that goes in the "not to be trusted" category. Why did it take 5 days for them to take this position? Given Trump's history, they were waiting for the bribe check to clear. This one could carry serious consequences as the majority of Americans do not trust Trump, and could reasonably ignore warnings coming from NOAA.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
15. exactly
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:22 AM
Sep 2019

and people wonder why all the belief in woo woo science etc.
Part of it's because the "official" or "serious" organizations are no longer trusted because of crap like this.



pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. I think you have the right answer..
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:52 AM
Sep 2019

Or even better, it is just how authoritarians work.. And get your own 'people in every position possible.. control every department and agency everywhere..

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
14. I starting thinking about this a little more....
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:13 AM
Sep 2019

And now I’m a bit unnerved. Why?

Because if he has NOAA under his thumb, that means he now can control the narrative on climate change to the general population.

It’s this kind of shit that makes me sick to my stomach

progree

(10,890 posts)
16. Yes, absolutely
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:35 AM
Sep 2019
Because if he has NOAA under his thumb, that means he now can control the narrative on climate change to the general population.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. republicans control more and more agencies, departments, every day..
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:28 PM
Sep 2019

that is how authoritarians control a population....

Example- once they gain control of the internet.
good bye DU..
Sad....

elleng

(130,731 posts)
24. We WILL, surely replace those on top who quickly succumbed to his pressure,
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:15 PM
Sep 2019

and 'reward,' by keeping them on, those who wouldn't do so.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
18. Trump personality disorder
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:38 AM
Sep 2019

Trump has a personality disorder and the starts of dementia. His fixating on the hurricane path is early dementia, his unwillingness to admit a mistake is personality disorder. Nothing new here. Ask any caregiver, with a dementia patient it is often the simplest and best path to simply ignore things. Or distract the patient until they forget about the fixation. Some people around Trump do this. Others suck up to him for the power he provides. This is similar to people that try to get old people's money. And still others are followers, they will assume anybody with a position of power knows what they are doing and will follow them. You see this in work places all the time. Management is incompetent but employees follow them off a cliff. But in the end, you have a President that is totally unfit. Cross your fingers that several things happen. First he is voted out. Next, that he leaves relatively quietly. If Trump goes bonkers, says the election is a fraud, and he will remain President then all hell breaks loose. And some people will resort to violence and follow him off the cliff, and others will stick by him knowing that once he is an ex-President he will have no power.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
20. Trump is hiding some scandal so he is willing to deflect to take the heat on sharpie-gate.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:48 AM
Sep 2019

With Trump, we never know which scandal is the worst of the day. Anyone of his scandals would have been enough to impeach Obama.

He is the WORST president this country has ever had. With republican party ignoring everything he does no matter how egregious. It is going to get a lot worse before the 2020 election.

Back to the weather. Republicans have been trying for years to kill the NWS so they can privatize it.

Convincing his band of clowns that the NWS is putting out fake weather reports is a step in the direction of privatizing the National Weather System.

Watch this to see how privatizing began. Then ask yourself if this doesn't foretell (2009) where we continue to be pushed.

The Shock Doctrine [2009] Documentary by Naomi Klein




Think Puerto Rico and now the Bahamas.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
28. That page comes from ProPublica.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:13 PM
Sep 2019

I looked up Dean A. Heyl of DOL at ProPublica yesterday afternoon.

Trump Town > Commerce > Julie Roberts

Julie Roberts
Commerce (joined: Aug. 14, 2017)

Director of Communications | $128,000 | Financial Disclosure »

Bio, via LinkedIn:

In August 2017, I was named the Director of Communications for NOAA. My experience in emergency management and crisis communications provides me with the background to carry out this new challenging but exciting job. As people have reminded me NOAA's mission includes from the bottom of the oceans to the surface of the sun. In the first month on the job I've witnessed an eclipse, handled two major hurricanes, a geomagnetic storm, fires in the West, and a few fish stories to round out the month. I look forward to where this new job will take me and the people I will meet along the way. I have over fifteen years professional experience including emergency management, scheduling, event management, international trade, and government relations. My experience in building public-private partnerships includes state and federal government and the private sector. In June 2016, I coordinated a partnership between the Florida Division of Emergency Management, Jet Blue, Airbnb, and Uber to provide resources to the victims and families of the Orlando Shooting Event. For four years I worked in emergency management where my focus was on building a culture of preparedness for families, business and families with special needs. Kids Get a Plan focuses on education children and their families on how to prepare for disasters. I worked with the private sector to build a statewide re-entry program for the private sector after a disaster. The more people prepare for a disaster the less government will need to provide. I spend my free time volunteering to help others including multiple mission trips to Ethiopia, volunteering through the Junior League of Tallahassee, and serving as an Advisor to the Zeta Tau Alpha Chapter at Florida State University for nine years. It is our responsibility to find ways to give back to people to make this a better world.

Former Positions Outside Government
58th Presidential Inaugural Committee Deputy Director of Internal and Diplomatic
Donald j. Trump for President Advance for Vice Presidential Candidate

Former Compensation Sources
58th Presidential Inaugural Committee
Donald J. Trump for President

JHB

(37,154 posts)
27. Mystery solved
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:32 PM
Sep 2019



Coastal Elite
@cmkinmia
A little som’som’ about the Director of Communications of #NOAA who sent out the statement backing up President Bonkers’ hurricane forecast.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED3iuWFWwAERAug?format=jpg&name=small


She was one of the deputy directors for Trump's inauguration committee, and before that had been part of the Trump campaign as an advance man for Pence.

JAGC: Just another grifter crony

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
35. "The NOAA and the National Hurricane Center had given Trump information
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:10 PM
Sep 2019
that “demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama.”

So what? They were right, and that's their job. But it is also NOAA's job to give the President and the public the most up-to-date and accurate information as quickly as possible.

President Twitter Tantrum wasn't wrong (OR lying) when he said Alabama COULD be hit, and NOAA was wrong or lying to tell him so. The problem is that Trump took NOAA's reversal as a deliberate personal insult that had "shown him up." So he retaliated while his fans cheered -- but not particularly well. He doesn't seem to have much experience in learning from his mistakes, but maybe that's because he's too rich and power to make them...


rocktivity
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