Brexit: Boris Johnson to table motion for general election - live news

[turbinetree]

Source: The Guardian

More than a dozen Tories defy leader by voting in favour of seizing control of Commons timetable

Boris Johnson has announced that he will ask parliament to support plans for a snap October general election after suffering a humiliating defeat in his first House of Commons vote as prime minister.

Former cabinet ministers including Philip Hammond and David Gauke were among 21 Conservative rebels who banded together with opposition MPs to seize control of the parliamentary timetable on a dramatic day in Westminster.

The move was aimed at paving the way for a bill tabled by the Labour backbencher Hilary Benn, which is designed to block a no-deal Brexit by forcing the prime minister to request an extension to article 50 if he cannot strike a reworked deal with the EU27.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live

[hlthe2b]

1. English to English translation:

What does it mean to table a vote?
Table (parliamentary procedure) ... In the United States, to "table" usually means to postpone or suspend consideration of a pending motion. In the rest of the English-speaking world, to "table" means to begin consideration (or reconsideration) of a proposal.

[targetpractice]

2. Thank you for that, hlthe2b! n/t

[cstanleytech]

3. Maybe more like

?

[underpants]

5. Thanks. I gathered it was exactly opposite

Like their private and public schools as well as "chips" and "biscuits"

Speak ENGLISH DAMMIT

[CottonBear]

12. Thank you. I realized table didn't mean what it does in American English,

but I had no idea what it means in British English.

[stuffmatters]

14. Really appreciate, hithe2b;even after reading The Guardian article,I was still perplexed.

[BootinUp]

15. Our US useage makes less sense to me. Nt

[Igel]

23. Both make sense.

You put something on the table. Then it's in front of you and can be mooted. That's British.


If you think American, then you're holding it. If you're holding it, then there's something you're doing with it. If you lay it on the table it means you're done with it and, if you want to deal with it some more, you need to pick it up again.

[BootinUp]

25. Ours seems to have originated from

Playing cards maybe. I guess I should say I prefer their use.

[not fooled]

4. "after suffering a humiliating defeat..."

Couldn't happen to a more deserving a-hole and tool of the oligarchy.

May red don suffer similar humiliation when the time comes, which given the Senate's lack of spine might not be until American voters get to weigh in.

[saidsimplesimon]

6. The eyes of the world are on

the banking capital. A cliff hanger broadcast live.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-parliament-takes-back-control-of-brexit-agenda-from-boris-johnson-2019-09-03?mod=mw_theo_homepage

U.K. Parliament takes back control of Brexit agenda; Boris Johnson to call general election

Published: Sept 3, 2019 5:37 p.m. ET

Vote could come Wednesday that would prevent no-deal Brexit on Oct. 31

LONDON — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson suffered a major defeat in Parliament on Tuesday night as rebellious lawmakers voted to seize control of the Brexit agenda. The prime minister immediately said he would call for a new general election.

The 328 to 301 vote cleared the way for Johnson’s opponents to introduce a bill Wednesday that would prevent Britain from leaving the European Union without a deal Oct. 31.
The cross-party rebels are determined to prevent a “no-deal” Brexit because of fears it would gravely damage the economy, and the vote came hours after Johnson suffered key defections from his party, losing a working majority in Parliament.

[lapfog_1]

16. "His is a government with no mandate, no morals and, as of today, no majority," Corbyn said."

Could be true of our government too

[Hokie]

7. When the vote was announced someone yelled out "Not a good start, Boris!"

It was heard clearly in the chamber. I think this was the first official vote for Johnson since he became PM. He is off to a wonderful start. First he lost his working majority of one earlier today and then came the stinging defeat. Will Wednesday bring another good ball whacking? Stay tuned.

[DavidDvorkin]

10. But maybe it will prove to be an appropriate end

Also an amusing one.

[Starseer]

26. Please let it have been...

... Dennis Skinner.

[Me.]

8. Well, Their Conservative Have Made It Clear

THat they stand with their country and not with their crazy leader who 'talks rubbish"

[groundloop]

9. Too bad our conservatives don't have the guts to do the same.

[Me.]

11. Quite

[bucolic_frolic]

13. This is a great blow for freedom and democracy

The Brits know a thing or two about Parliamentarianism, and their system has these quirks that allow maneuvering based on something other than "has four years gone by yet?"

[BannonsLiver]

21. I wouldn't get too excited just yet

He may well end up in a stronger position after the GE than he is now. There are a lot of variables. Bottom line is this guy is nowhere near down, out or beaten. Nobody should be assuming it’s over for him.

[bucolic_frolic]

22. That is true

but he shouldn't be allowed to enact by dismissing the government. If he can do it, he can do it, but let it be out in the open.

[lapfog_1]

17. I believe he expelled the 21 Tories

from the party, but he can't expel them from Parliament, right?

[Denzil_DC]

18. That's right.

"Removing the whip" is the term for suspending or expelling an MP from the party. This can sometimes be temporary.

Such MPs retain their seats, but are technically no longer party members, so can't stand for the party in any forthcoming election.

[BlueIdaho]

19. How many might move

To the Lib-Dem party? Seems they have been picking up steam since the last EU election.

[Denzil_DC]

20. It's hard to say.

I suspect those who might have made that jump have already done so (as one did quite spectacularly during Johnson's speech yesterday).

Some might stand as independents in their current constituencies and take their chances. Some were intending to retire anyway.

[Igel]

24. That would be hardish.

They have conservative track records and this is a marriage of convenience. More an affair of convenience, actually.

They're people I'd like to play chicken with. The number of pink slips you'd pile up in a single day.