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brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:28 AM Sep 2019

FBI: West Texas gunman 'was on a long spiral of going down'

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Source: NBC News

The gunman in a West Texas rampage "was on a long spiral of going down" and had been fired from his oil services job the morning he killed seven people, calling 911 both before and after the shooting began, authorities said Monday.

Officers killed 36-year-old Seth Aaron Ator on Saturday outside a busy Odessa movie theater after a spate of violence that spanned 10 miles (16 kilometers), injuring around two dozen people in addition to the dead.

FBI special agent Christopher Combs said Ator called the agency's tip line as well as local police dispatch on Saturday after being fired from Journey Oilfield Services, making "rambling statements about some of the atrocities that he felt that he had gone through."

"He was on a long spiral of going down," Combs said. "He didn't wake up Saturday morning and walk into his company and then it happened. He went to that company in trouble."

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-unsure-man-shooting-binge-west-texas-65335230

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Sancho

(9,069 posts)
1. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:39 AM
Sep 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
2. If people kill people, not guns, then red flag laws should take guns away from these people
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:53 AM
Sep 2019

who are on a long spiral going down until evaluated by a mental health professional that they are not a danger to others or themselves.

I also want to point out that suicide is a big problem with his demographic. The mass killers make the news because it's a tragedy. There are also many of these people who off themselves at home because they don't get the help they need. Guns in the house make it worse.

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
3. It's difficult to accurately predict who will become a mass shooter.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 08:20 AM
Sep 2019

I've met plenty of candidates. One was a cop with a huge chip on his shoulder, who loved to argue over nothing and to walk up and down his property, playing the bagpipes full blast. Another was a Vietnam Vet who pointed a loaded gun at his 16 year old nephew when the latter argued with him when the former suddenly raised the price of the truck he was selling to the kid. Another is one I'm tracking right now. He's "taken residence" at a Methodist Church, sucked up to the church's minister and secretary. He's threatened the music director indirectly by "informing" her that he's taken courses in "lethal karate." (The music director has objected to his pounding the shit out of the Steinway concert grand in the Chapel while leaving a water bottle on the top. Plus this dude is trying to compel the Powers That Be that he should replace her. He's only in his Twenties.) I've heard that three other churches have asked him to "move on," so I know it's not my radar going off erroneously.

My point: While the first two examples didn't kill people, there were signs that they had the potential. All you can do is file a police report without pressing charges if only to document your impressions after-the-fact. Until they actually break the law, you have to wait for a tragedy.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
4. I still want to knwo what his social postings were and I want to know know about the "atrocities"...
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 09:14 AM
Sep 2019

the FBI referred to.

riversedge

(70,205 posts)
5. Ator's home was...a corrugated metal shack along a dirt road.........
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 12:39 PM
Sep 2019

a metal shack. wonder if it had running water? so sad that anyone lives like this.


............ Combs said Ator "showed up to work enraged" but did not point to any specific source of his anger. Ator's home on the outskirts of Odessa was a corrugated metal shack along a dirt road surrounded by trailers, mobile homes and oil pump jacks. On Monday, a green car without a rear windshield was parked out front, the entire residence cordoned off by police tape.

Combs described it as a "strange residence" that reflected "what his mental state was going into this." Combs said he did not know whether Ator had been diagnosed with any prior mental health problems.

A neighbor, Rocio Gutierrez, told The Associated Press that Ator was "a violent, aggressive person" that would shoot at animals, mostly rabbits, at all hours of the night

"We were afraid of him because you could tell what kind of person he was just by looking at him," Gutierrez said. "He was not nice, he was not friendly, he was not polite."

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
6. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 01:26 PM
Sep 2019

Dupe. See the earlier post here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142362844

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