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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:12 PM Aug 2019

4 last wolves in Washington pack killed by state hunters

Source: Associated Press

Nicholas K. Geranios, Associated Press
Updated 1:18 pm CDT, Monday, August 19, 2019



Photo: Uncredited, AP
FILE - In this Feb. 1, 2017, file image provided the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, a wolf pack is captured by a remote camera in Hells Canyon National Recreation Area in northeast Oregon. A lawsuit filed Thursday, Aug. 1, 2019, seeks to prevent the state of Washington from killing more wolves from a pack that is preying on cattle. (Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife via AP, File)

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The last four members of a wolf pack that preyed on cattle in a rural Washington state area bordering Canada have been killed by state hunters, prompting protests from environmental groups.

The four wolves were part of a pack that originally had seven members and attacked cows, killing or wounding them 29 times since 2018 and nine times over the last month, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife said in a statement last Friday. Agency director Kelly Susewind authorized the killings of the remaining pack members on July 31.

Environmental groups opposed the killings, which they contended benefited one ranching operation in Ferry County in the remote Kettle River Range of mountains that stretches into the Canadian province of British Columbia.

"It's unbelievably tragic that this wolf family has already been annihiliated by the state," said Sophia Ressler of the Center for Biologicial Diversity, which tried to block the hunt. "It seems like Washington's wildlife agency is bent on wiping out the state's wolves."

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/us/article/All-members-of-wolf-pack-killed-in-Washington-14347822.php

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4 last wolves in Washington pack killed by state hunters (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2019 OP
ASSHOLES! hlthe2b Aug 2019 #1
"Assholes" is too kind a word for these people! pazzyanne Aug 2019 #19
Defenders of Wildlife even subsidizes non-lethal controls rwsanders Aug 2019 #35
Been a member of Defenders of Wildlife for over 40 years. pazzyanne Aug 2019 #40
It's hard to even read this Mike 03 Aug 2019 #2
There are no words Mendocino Aug 2019 #3
+1 Mrs. Overall Aug 2019 #8
In 2011 a sub-pack split off of a NE Oregon/SE Washington wolf pack .. DemoTex Aug 2019 #4
Amazing information. Hope the group will stand a chance of surviving. Such magnificent animals. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2019 #6
Are there more humane ways to deal with these attacks? GitRDun Aug 2019 #5
Impressive guardian abilities from your wonderful Ridgeback. Judi Lynn Aug 2019 #7
Beautiful animal! Adsos Letter Aug 2019 #28
Trap and relocate. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #9
what is their normal prey? Why can't they find it? CTyankee Aug 2019 #10
In that Farley Mowatt movie they mostly ate mice. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #14
Oh. I would have guessed they ate something larger (but not as large as cattle)...elks seem pretty CTyankee Aug 2019 #15
I think it was called "Never Cry Wolf". maxsolomon Aug 2019 #17
Are you saying that if there were more people the wolves virgogal Aug 2019 #11
No, I did not say that. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #13
I would vote for trap and relocate or look at where there food has gone. GitRDun Aug 2019 #12
Plenty of Deer in Ferry County. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #16
Actually lethal controls cause a spike in attacks on cattle and sheep because it leaves younger, rwsanders Aug 2019 #37
Wolves in Illinois? Mendocino Aug 2019 #30
It was no fox. GitRDun Aug 2019 #38
MAybe coyotes? GitRDun Aug 2019 #39
Check the website of Defenders of Wildlife rwsanders Aug 2019 #36
If the cattle were grazing on BLM or USFS public land spike jones Aug 2019 #18
+100 Duppers Aug 2019 #22
With you on this Lulu KC Aug 2019 #33
So sad!! marieo1 Aug 2019 #20
Stop eating cows Roy Rolling Aug 2019 #21
One more reason I do Veggie/Impossible/Beyond plant protein now jpak Aug 2019 #23
Farmers could use guardian dogs. They keep wolves leftyladyfrommo Aug 2019 #24
Or maybe donkeys ? eppur_se_muova Aug 2019 #26
OMG I was once trapped in a tree for hours by a crazy donkey Generic Other Aug 2019 #34
K & R Duppers Aug 2019 #25
If you want to allow YOUR cattle to graze on public land, you should .. Hotler Aug 2019 #27
Fuck cattle ranchers! Coventina Aug 2019 #29
If you care about wildlife and the environment, Mendocino Aug 2019 #31
Sickening Bayard Aug 2019 #32

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
1. ASSHOLES!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:14 PM
Aug 2019

Karma arrive quickly...(and hopefully a return of common sense and environmental conscience)

pazzyanne

(6,551 posts)
19. "Assholes" is too kind a word for these people!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:03 PM
Aug 2019

There are alternatives to killing a pack if people would be willing to work together. We were able to work a plan in Minnesota that values wolves and helped restore them to our state.

rwsanders

(2,598 posts)
35. Defenders of Wildlife even subsidizes non-lethal controls
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:26 PM
Aug 2019

and studies have shown that non-lethal is MORE effective.

I've been trying to start an urban legend, when I wear a shirt with a wolf on it and someone comments on it I'll tell them that "didn't you know that every time you wear something with a wolf on it, somewhere a cowboy wets his chaps?"

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
2. It's hard to even read this
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:00 PM
Aug 2019

It was my parents' generation that brought these beautiful creatures back from the brink of extinction in this country. So I ache for the wolves but also the people that devoted their lives to replenishing the wolf population. The selfish awfulness of what we are becoming as a species is hard to fathom.

DemoTex

(25,396 posts)
4. In 2011 a sub-pack split off of a NE Oregon/SE Washington wolf pack ..
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:36 PM
Aug 2019

The leader of the splinter pack was wearing a radio tracking device. That smaller pack of wolves headed west-southwest, into the high desert of central Oregon. It was there that our paths crossed (literally).

As the 2011 fire season was winding down in October, Nick (my dog) and I vacated the fire lookout tower on East Butte, in the Deschutes National Forest high desert wilderness. We headed into Bend for a couple of days of equipment cleaning and re-packing before we started the drive back to the east coast.

First thing, I grabbed a Bend Bulletin newspaper and headed to the Deschutes Brewery for a much-needed IPA, or three. Sipping and catching up on the local news a front page story caught my eye: "Wolf pack radio-tracked into Deschutes County." Whoa! Gotta read that.

The part that got the hair standing on the back of my neck was this: the tracking data showed that the wolf pack had slowed down, and circled East Butte four times! The dates on the tracking plot were dates that Nick and I were still at East Butte lookout, and dates we enjoyed hikes in the fine Fall weather of central Oregon. Did they smell Nick? Did they smell me? Who knows.

But the wolves finally continued their westward trek. They crossed the Cascade Range somewhere north of Mt. Thielsen. The pack continued to I-5, and turned south without crossing the highway. They made it down into northern California where, as far as I know, they remain to this day.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
6. Amazing information. Hope the group will stand a chance of surviving. Such magnificent animals. n/t
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:50 PM
Aug 2019

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
5. Are there more humane ways to deal with these attacks?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:49 PM
Aug 2019

29 times since 2018 and nine times over the last month seems like a lot.

My only personal experience with wolves was on my property; 5.6 acres in the middle of 20 acres in Northern Illinois that included some wetlands. We used to hear the deer kills at night when the wolves cycled in.

We got a Rhodesian Ridgeback dog several years after moving in. He eventually ran off all the critters' deer, wild turkeys, rabbits even raccoons. The wolves stopped coming around.

I do think the loss of the wolves is tragic, but when they are having that many attacks, what are the humane ways to keep them out?

I hope there is an answer.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
7. Impressive guardian abilities from your wonderful Ridgeback.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:55 PM
Aug 2019

I thought I had heard they were used on estates long ago, went to check Wikipedia:

The Rhodesian Ridgeback has also previously been known as Van Rooyen's lion dog or the African Lion Hound or African Lion Dog—simba inja in Ndebele, shumba imbwa in Shona—because of its ability to keep a lion at bay while awaiting its master's arrival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Ridgeback

Spectacular friend to have!

Thank you.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
9. Trap and relocate.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:10 PM
Aug 2019

Or pay the ranchers for their losses.

Or buy out the (probable) Welfare Rancher and return their property to habitat where it belongs.

The Wolves wouldn't be attacking Cattle if they had more abundant prey. Ferry County has <8,000 people.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. Oh. I would have guessed they ate something larger (but not as large as cattle)...elks seem pretty
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:39 PM
Aug 2019

formidable but I could see deer...

but what do I know

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
12. I would vote for trap and relocate or look at where there food has gone.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:32 PM
Aug 2019

Wolves are smart animals.

Shortly after we got our dog, they tried to lure my dog into the woods by having a smaller pack member stand at the edge of the woods.

It was really hard to get him in the house. He was not on a leash, so it was either he listened to the old man and the hot dogs he was carrying (lol) or he was toast! We heard the deer kills that night.

I'm sure you are right. If they are hitting the cows, food must be scarce. They should look at that. Hell, all over the central US they are culling deer herds because there are too many. How about trap and relocate some deer!

Well thanks for your thoughts.

Things are testy around here since Trump showed up. It's nice to just yak and learn.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
16. Plenty of Deer in Ferry County.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:41 PM
Aug 2019

It's likely this pack found it easy to prey on Cattle, so the decision isn't based on whims. They may have been pushed to the margins of the forest by other packs.

rwsanders

(2,598 posts)
37. Actually lethal controls cause a spike in attacks on cattle and sheep because it leaves younger,
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

less experienced, or solo wolves to try to survive on their own. Non-lethal controls reduce losses.

But buyouts should occur. I don't know why we are till babying these pretend cowboys. Heck I've moved all over the nation for jobs, they could be relocated to somewhere far from wolves and raise their cattle on land that was headed to the developers to fuel urban sprawl.

Even if these morons eliminate all the wolves it leaves a vacuum that is soon filled by coyotes who have less fear of people and will attack livestock.

But these are the same people who are so mentally deficient that they vote for Trump, live in pristine areas and vote against the EPA, favor extraction industries over preservation, so the trillion dollar question is how do we fix stupid?

rwsanders

(2,598 posts)
36. Check the website of Defenders of Wildlife
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:33 PM
Aug 2019

the following (not exhaustive) list of controls have been shown to be better than lethal control. Defenders will subsidize them:
Range riders
Red flags on fencing (they use some technical term that escapes me at the moment)
Dogs
I've also heard that donkeys in a herd helps.

But don't let the whiny ranchers fool you, losses to wolves are less than 2% and DOW will pay for those losses for ranchers that participate in non-lethal control measures. Losses are far greater to falls and feral dogs.

Largely though they are trying to grow cattle on marginal land that in the past they were pushed into because of competition with famers. There is plenty of land now to raise cattle elsewhere in the country. In the Midwest, acres and acres of farmland is being converted to subdivisions and McMansions despite the fact that 11% of housing units in the nation are empty.

spike jones

(1,678 posts)
18. If the cattle were grazing on BLM or USFS public land
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:57 PM
Aug 2019

the cows should have been removed.
Less than five percent of the nation's beef are produced from public land grazing, but they destroy millions of acres of public land.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
20. So sad!!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:12 PM
Aug 2019

We have become just like animals. They have a place on this earth, just like we do. I guess it doesn't matter if certain people complain about them. I am beginning to believe animals are the superior species!!

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
21. Stop eating cows
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:15 PM
Aug 2019

Not a universal solution, but I’m just as worried about the hundreds of cows brutally killed as I am about the wolves.

Slaughterhouse cattle factories are a horrific place, and those who feed them animals to kill damage the environment. And the product is less-beneficial than similar foodstuffs. But I know steak tastes good and people like to eat what tastes good, so I won’t hijack the thread.

But I have little sympathy for the hunter or the cattle rancher. They should find another job and leave nature alone. We are “managing” her to death.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
24. Farmers could use guardian dogs. They keep wolves
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:04 PM
Aug 2019

and coyotes and bears away. Mountain lions, too.

Up in that country and over into Montana you need several dogs. Wolves will kill one dog. But they won't take on several guardian dogs.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
26. Or maybe donkeys ?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:36 PM
Aug 2019
In order for donkeys to provide the best predator protection possible it is important to first understand how they protect the flock. The livestock guard animal, regardless of species, is really no different than a security guard, in that in order to provide protection they must both be in the right place at the right time. The more time the guard animals spends with the flock the more likely it will be present when needed. The donkey's natural herding instinct means if properly bonded to the sheep, it will stay with the sheep most of the time. The donkey's herding instinct combined with its inherent dislike and aggressiveness towards coyotes and dogs can make it an effective livestock guard animal... if managed properly.

Donkeys rely predominantly on sight and sound to detect intruders. When approached, sheep will tend to move so the guard animal is between the intruder and themselves. The donkeys' loud brays and quick pursuit will scare away predators and may also alert the shepherd. In most instances donkeys will confront and chase dogs or coyotes out of the pasture. If the canines do not retreat quickly the donkeys will attack them by rising up on their hind legs and striking with both front feet. A solid blow can injure, kill or at the very least discourage the predator.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/sheep/facts/donkey2.htm


Why in Hell is anyone raising cattle anywhere near Hell's Canyon ? That's rugged country -- probably lose lots of cattle even without wolves.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
34. OMG I was once trapped in a tree for hours by a crazy donkey
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:14 PM
Aug 2019

He did exactly what you describe including putting his forelegs on the tree trunk and snapping at me and my friends (4 of us). And then that donkey just circled the tree only to menace us again every time we tried to climb down.

My fun visit to my friend's grandpa's dairy farm.

Hotler

(11,420 posts)
27. If you want to allow YOUR cattle to graze on public land, you should ..
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:54 PM
Aug 2019

have to accept any collateral damage. Or, keep your cows penned in on your private property. Fuck the cattle industry, their prices are too high.

Bayard

(22,063 posts)
32. Sickening
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 10:22 AM
Aug 2019

I can hardly read threads like this anymore because it breaks my heart.

Too many cattle, not enough wolves. Public land (OUR land) is leased to ranchers for pennies per acre. They have no right to kill OUR wolves there!

No doubt this is why tRump is wanting to kick wolves off the endangered species list.

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