Epstein's Death Was On 4Chan Before Officials Announced It -- Now Authorities Are Investigating

[demmiblue]

Source: Buzz Feed News

The New York City Fire Department is investigating whether a first responder posted about Jeffrey Epstein’s death on a notorious internet message board prior to officials announcing it to the public, BuzzFeed News has learned.

Less than 40 minutes before ABC News first reported Epstein’s death on Twitter, someone posted still-unverified details on 4chan, the anonymous message board popular with far-right trolls and white nationalists.

“[D]ont ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging, cardiac arrest. Screencap this,” read the post, which was published at 8:16 AM alongside an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become a mascot for the right-wing internet trolls.

That post was 38 minutes before the first tweet about Epstein’s death was from Aaron Katersky, an ABC News reporter, at 8:54 AM. Five minutes later, the main ABC News account tweeted an article about Epstein's death.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

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[ret5hd]

1. Definitely off-topic, but what's with all those number sequences? Does that mean something?

[sandensea]

2. I think that's their equivalent of retweets

Which, instead of posting as a number under the post, they list separately by account number.

Makes their posts look like a 1960s punch card.

[toddwv]

3. It's an anonymous site so probably their userids

[TomVilmer]

5. Numbers are link to replies...

... sorry, they do not have some secret hidden meaning .

[joshcryer]

56. Each number is basically a user replying.

So basically a lot of people replied to that post.

If you click the number it'll take you to the post, kinda like if you click a number on any of the posts in this thread.

[jpak]

4. Curiouser and curiouser....

WTF

[Nevermypresident]

6. That 2nd post was so detailed...makes me wonder if it's EMS or

hospital staffer leaking. But, a member of 4chan?!!?

[DrToast]

7. Yup....doesn't sound like a guard.

Shouldn’t be that hard to track down who posted it.

Although I’m not sure if they did anything illegal.

[kozar]

13. if the poster was in hospital or first responder

Hippa violation,big time

[DrToast]

15. Good point. Forgot about HIPAA.

[ArcticFox]

33. Does HIPPA apply after death?

I know the dead typically have no privacy rights

[kozar]

38. Hippa applies for all knowledge

until time of death pronounced,,so if these reports are true,, ,saying ,or reporting everything that happened,BEFORE death was pronounced,,is a HIPPA violation



Koz

[cannabis_flower]

44. Death is pronounced by a doctor

Not the news.

[kozar]

48. exactly,but not always,,

that was just my point someone had to pronounce,,anything that was posted that happened before,,is a HIPPA violation,, there are instances when time of death will go back to first respondents,,IE decapitation, multiple GWS , obvious death many hours before,,,but yes, the Dr has to pronounce,,in writing,,but there are points when Dr gives the right to first trained responders. In this case the res ponders did their thing,,Dr pronounced at hosp ,,, Ive been through this 100 times or more,,I get ya,,

Koz

[kozar]

49. and I should have added

at that point the Dr will put time of death when trained first responders reported,, in a CLEAR CUT CASE

[ArcticFox]

47. Thanks for the explanation

Not sure I'll ever need that bit of knowledge, but you never know

[cannabis_flower]

54. More about HIPAA...

I have had to deal with HIPAA before but it's been a few years so I had to look it up. I worked for a call center and we had to take a course in HIPAA because we might (but seldom did) come into contact with health information and since we were business associates of the Georgia Department of Human Resources we would be required to comply if we had to deal with any health information

So here is the information on how long HIPAA applies and who is required to comply with HIPAA.


Does the HIPAA Privacy Rule apply to deceased individuals?

The HIPAA Privacy Rule states that individuals’ identifiable health information remain protected for 50 years following their death.

“The Rule explicitly excludes from the definition of ‘protected health information’ individually identifiable health information regarding a person who has been deceased for more than 50 years,” the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) explains on its website. “During the 50-year period of protection, the Privacy Rule generally protects a decedent’s health information to the same extent the Rule protects the health information of living individuals but does include a number of special disclosure provisions relevant to deceased individuals.”

The provisions where a covered entity can disclose the PHI of a deceased individual include the following:

(1) to alert law enforcement to the death of the individual, when there is a suspicion that death resulted from criminal conduct

(2) to coroners or medical examiners and funeral directors

(3) for research that is solely on the protected health information of decedents

(4) to organ procurement organizations or other entities engaged in the procurement, banking, or transplantation of cadaveric organs, eyes, or tissue for the purpose of facilitating organ, eye, or tissue donation and transplantation

(5) to a family member or other person who was involved in the individual’s health care or payment for care prior to the individual’s death, unless doing so is inconsistent with any prior expressed preference of the deceased individual that is known to the covered entity

https://healthitsecurity.com/news/how-do-hipaa-regulations-apply-after-death

Who Must Comply With The HIPAA Privacy Rule?

The HIPAA Privacy Rule pertains to health care providers, health plans, and health care clearinghouses and to the business associates of these entities.

https://www.healthit.gov/faq/who-must-follow-hipaa


So, doctors, the jail, insurance etc. are required to comply with HIPAA. But if I was say a bystander that just happened to be around when someone was being pronounced dead, such as another inmate, a bystander at the hospital such as another patient who happens to be standing around in the hallway when someone is brought in, a reporter, and a relative or friend of Mr. Epstein, I would not be committing a violation of HIPAA if I posted that Epstein was dead before it was officially released by the hospital.

If I'm not a healthcare provider, a health plan, a health care clearinghouse or an employee or business associate of these entities, I would not be committing a HIPAA violation by disclosing that he was dead.

[Beartracks]

60. The post says he was worked on 20 minutes and then "called."

I took that to mean the patient was pronounced dead... after which the 4Chan user (who must've been really close to the action) posted the news.

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[Laffy Kat]

51. Yep. nt

[Kitchari]

8. sounds like an EMT

"in the field"

[study war no more]

17. if it is

they violated HIPAA and can lose their license (best case), go to jail (worst case)

[Duppers]

28. Pick up on their radio channel?

[UpInArms]

45. Those details are never (to my knowledge) broadcast

On anything ....

That would almost be an EMS technician note ... not available to the public or media

[Loki Liesmith]

11. You'd be surprised who is on 4chan

[Nevermypresident]

52. That site scares the shit out of me. I'm sure you're right about being surprised about

some posters' identities.

[Texin]

9. Sounds like this came from someone with an emergency/police scanner.

[Maggiemayhem]

10. Would that be on a secure channel?

[lagomorph777]

22. I don't think so - at least back in the 1980s it was all in the clear.

Haven't listened lately though.

[UpInArms]

46. See my post #45

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2354529

They do not broadcast those on the scanner

[murielm99]

12. Are we sure this is legitimate?

[jberryhill]

32. Emergency call was made at 6:30 AM

Epstein was in the ER at 7:30 AM and was photographed by a NY Post photographer.

A lot of people knew before 8:54 AM.

But, whatever.

[study war no more]

14. def med professional language

no non-medical person would "use 2 liters ns infused....."

[kozar]

50. umm its standard

2 liters normal saline infused,, to have a line open to give other drugs,,, seriously?

[tblue37]

16. The childish compulsion to say, "I knew it first!" is going to get someone into trouble here.

Notice he says to screenshot it, so there will be proof that he was FIRST!

[demmiblue]

19. Yep.

What a dumbshit... they will figure out who it is sooner than later. Probably a LOT sooner than later.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. I read that on 16chan, someone DMd that day that

Epstein would be "suicided" that night.

What TV detective was big on "too many coincidences" ? With this case:
1. Had neck marks week or two before.
2. Claimed someone was trying to kill him
3. Taken off suicide watch
4. Guards weren't watching
5. One guard not a real guard
6. Trump was ready to blame Clinton within hours.

[demmiblue]

21. WTF... 16chan?!

Damn, some of y'all.

[lagomorph777]

23. Are they up to 32chan yet?

[demmiblue]

24. I'm waiting until 512chan before I dip my toe in.

Lol!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Yes, didn't want to wade in. They post on Reddit. Too scary

But anyway you look at it. This underbelly of society seemed to know things sooner than the rest of us.

[christx30]

62. Reddit has gotten more pleasent

since T_D was quarantined. I like to go for r/jokes, r/futureology, and r/news. But now I don’t have to wade through 500 “Trump is beautiful” posts.

[Grasswire2]

53. and there are reports of screams coming from his cell

Don't remember where I saw that.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. We should just act like it's proof certain trump had him killed.

[gldstwmn]

64. The NY Post who simultaneously ran an interview with the killer cop

who was his cellie before he was moved that everything was very quiet when Epstein offed himself. Nothing and I mean nothing about this makes any sense.

[HopeAgain]

20. The people we depend on for our safety

...on 4chan. Tells you how pervasive this hate movement is.

[radius777]

65. Yikes, a Trumper EMT could let black/brown people die.

Much easier/undetectable than shooting up a Walmart.

[ancianita]

25. Hackers could have been all up in everything MCC over Epstein -- video system, sound, records,

anything. It's a PC system, swiss cheese to them.

That it's on 4chan doesn't mean 4chan is responsible. Or 8chan. Or any chan.


We don't have to worry about who sends the message as much as who benefits.

I think it sends a message to the DOJ, myself.

And now the DOJ knows it better watch what it does and says.

[jberryhill]

26. How is it possible for anyone to have known before Aaron Katersky?!?!?!???!?!11??!1

[demmiblue]

29. Whoosh. n/t

[jberryhill]

31. A New York Post photographer caught him going into the ER at 7:30 AM

A shitload of people obviously had to know about it before it got vetted and broadcast by ABC News.

Wait, wait, don't tell me, you mean they waited until after ABC News published the story, sent a photographer down to the ER, and got there in the nick of time?



"That post was 38 minutes before the first tweet about Epstein’s death was from Aaron Katersky, an ABC News reporter, at 8:54 AM"

Let me ask you a question, and I'd like you to seriously consider it.

Why was that NY Post photographer near the ER?

From the NY Post story accompanying the photo:

A call was placed to first responders around 6:30 a.m. as MCC staff tried to revive him, said the FDNY and Bureau of Prisons.

Photos of Epstein taken around 7:30 a.m. show the convicted pedophile still wearing his orange prison jumpsuit as he’s wheeled on a gurney into New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital.

So, let's get real here. The emergency call was 6:30 AM, and would have generated scanner traffic.

So a shitload of people knew about it by the time he got to the ER at 7:30 AM, and you believe there is some mystery about how anyone knew before 8:54 AM?

Really? That's hard to figure out?

Why did a newspaper have a photographer at the ER at 7:30 waiting to see who showed up?

Talk about "whoosh"....

[demmiblue]

34. Umm, no: "... and you believe there is some mystery about how anyone knew before 8:54 AM?"

[jberryhill]

35. Okay, so, what's the big deal about someone posting it on 4chan before ABC?

An NY Post photographer was right there at the ER at 7:30 AM - more than an hour before ABC published the story, and more than 45 minutes before some jagoff posted it to 4chan.

For that photographer to have been there at 7:30 AM strongly suggests there were quite a few people who were alerted to something going on long before the 4chan posting.

[demmiblue]

36. Lol... NSS. n/t

[joshcryer]

57. It doesn't necessarily invalidate the 4chan posting, though.

It just shows how easily information can be deciphered and disseminated and that you can't really control it.

And, of course, it's likely the news agencies were tipped off anyway, they have guys in the inside of places like this who know this is relevant information and their tips will be off the record, etc.

[kwassa]

55. and how can you know if Jeffrey Epstein is in this photo ...

or when it was taken?

[jberryhill]

58. Oh, okay

The NY Post lied about when their photographer took the picture.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to waste my time on "Epstein is alive" truthers.

[Hekate]

30. Reporting in to the God Emperor?

What a world, what a world.

[Mc Mike]

37. The righties have the best connections, they're able to get all the important

info and late breaking news first.

So how come they're all so damn dumb?

[Kid Berwyn]

40. John Kenneth Galbraith...

Except today no one reads. So, the GOP faithful watch FOX and listen to Flushbo and the rest becomes history. The most-advantaged are never the wiser because they don’t get information, or as you and all who live in the real world call it, truth.

[Mc Mike]

41. Steady diet of misinfo and disinfo, along with first to get it info.

[Kid Berwyn]

42. They don't even have a clue that they don't even have a prayer.

Harper’s is republishing Jeff Sharlet’s opus on the Religiou$ Reich (only one free article/month):

https://harpers.org/archive/2003/03/jesus-plus-nothing/

[Mc Mike]

43. Thanks for the link. I remember the family.

Jesus plus nothing.

[Kid Berwyn]

39. Of all the places...

One hell of a screen grab. Details read like they came straight out of the ambulance or police dispatch. So, I’d guess the post came from someone at the assistant chief level — “Hospital administrator was alerted, preparing statements” reads so officious, it hurts.

[milestogo]

61. hanging, cardiac arrest ... WTF?

[Blue_Tires]

63. First responder? EMT maybe?

We've all seen the stories about an increasing number of cops/firemen/military being caught spending a sizeable amount of their off-hours time on white power/qanon/hardcore conspiracy forums, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.