Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials

[Julian Englis]

Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: ABC News

Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced millionaire who was facing federal sex trafficking charges, died by suicide Friday night in his Lower Manhattan jail cell, three law enforcement officials told ABC News.

The exact timing and circumstances were not immediately clear.

Epstein, 66, was set to stand trial next year for allegedly sexually abusing dozens of minor girls in New York and Florida.

His death came less than three weeks after he was found unresponsive in his cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan, with marks on his neck that appeared to be self-inflicted, sources told ABC News.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684

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I've added a link to the Federal Bureau of Prisons policies on suicidal inmates:
https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5324_008.pdf

[herding cats]

1. I cannot believe this.

He won't be mourned, but justice was denied. How was he able to do this, wasn't he on suicide watch already?

[Arkansas Granny]

27. I would have thought so after his first attempt. If not, he should have been.

[mzmolly]

128. It's very curious to say the least.

[zonkers]

119. I find this very suspicious.

[herding cats]

133. Of course it suspicious

They're saying he hanged himself while on suicide watch. How is that even possible?

[dawg day]

156. Prisoners do it frequently...

At least that's what the prison officials would say. I'm always suspicious, ar least that the guards let it happen...or worse.

[defacto7]

172. No way he offed himself on suicide watch.

They are in a cell naked with no movable objects and have 24/7 surveillance although sometimes given a cell phone which I doubt in his case.

He was killed. No doubt in my mind.

[AZ8theist]

189. You are absolutely spot-on....

Putin and his fucking useful IDIOT couldn't allow the pedophile Epstein to possibly talk.

HE WAS FUCKING MURDERED.

No doubt in my mind either....

[Doreen]

199. I suspect that it was murder made to look like suicide.

To many crappy influential people to be hurt by him if he ended up being found guilty.

[yaesu]

163. what I find very suspicious is the russian troll farms started blaming Clinton right away

on twitter and is trending at the top like they knew this was going to happen.

[yardwork]

188. It doesn't take long to ramp up the troll response.

And blaming the Clintons is their standard script. There's nothing unusual about that at all, unfortunately.

[Mr.Bill]

193. That's no surprise.

They blame the Clintons for hundreds of murders.

[LoveMyCali]

212. So tell me again

what the Clinton's have to gain by his death as opposed to the pedophile in chief?

[Baclava]

232. Yes, they are saying its now safe for Hillary to run for president again, lol n/t

[NJCher]

160. the story says

He was on suicide watch since 7/23.

[dflprincess]

202. Exactly. Nt

[LisaL]

2. Suicide or he knew too much?

I think we all had concerns he won't last because many people don't want him to talk.

[groundloop]

4. I totally agree. And we shall never know because our A.G. is a master of coverup

[FarPoint]

7. My money is on he knew too much.

The high profile inmates with SI are supposed to be 24/7 observation...

[LisaL]

14. From what has been alleged, he was directing under aged girls to have sex with some very rich and

powerful men. I don't think these men would have wanted him to talk. So now he is dead.

[tblue37]

122. +1. nt

[MBS]

136. + 100 n/t

[democratisphere]

19. Agreed. Knew too much and people in high places were involved.

The mob of the wealthiest lives on.

[SayItLoud]

100. Most notable word in the docs released yesterday...

RUSSIA. Russian girls were taken, used and IMO that's what Putin has on tRUMP. No PP tape but minor girl tapes. That's gotta be the choke hold Putin has on tRUMP.

[58Sunliner]

117. Do you have a link for those docs? Thanks.

[MrsCoffee]

176. Been speculation that the pp could stand for pedophile.

In the UK it’s pronounced pee-duh-fahyl.

[bucolic_frolic]

158. He might not have said much more than he already said

5th Amendment. His crimes were so severe and venal, they had nothing to offer him to talk.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Way to go NYC

Unreal.

[Julian Englis]

20. The MCC is a Federal prison in NYC not a NY city run joint

So, the feds are responsible.

[BeyondGeography]

31. Filled with New Yorkers

These are my people.

[Historic NY]

61. Suicide watch means

constant observation, someone needs to get the logs.

[irisblue]

77. If this was a murder mystery, the editor would send it back.

"Too contrived"

[SCantiGOP]

165. Suicide watch means

An officer sits in a chair looking into the cell at all times. He or she cannot even go to the bathroom without having someone come take their place for the few minutes they are gone.
Hanging yourself is not possible on suicide watch.

[defacto7]

177. This is the fact. They are stripped naked as well so their clothing can't be used.

[Ptah]

183. No

Various forms of suicide watch exist. These generally involve the subject's being under continuous or very frequent watch of a guard, such as a prison officer, security officer or orderly, who will intervene if the subject attempts to harm themselves.

Periodic
Periodic suicide watch, or more simply known as “suicide watch, involves the subject being monitored through frequent periodic checks.

Intense
Intense suicide watch or observation involves the subject being observed continually by a person who may be employed in one of several possible capacities, sitting or standing in direct sight or arm's reach of the subject. This may be known as a 1 to 1.

[yardwork]

186. I don't know what the suicide watch policy and procedure is at MCC.

I imagine that "suicide watch" means different things in different places.

In any case, child molesters often commit suicide while incarcerated, even when they're on suicide watch.

[Girard442]

5. In other startling news, the sun rose this morning.

[democratisphere]

22. I am anxiously waiting for it to set.

[NurseJackie]

6. Not surprising. I thought he was supposed to be on "suicide watch".

I wonder if all his secrets will die with him, or will other investigations into his buddies and conspirators and cohorts will continue to be investigated.

[Linda Ed]

83. Just Heard on news

Since Epstein is dead there will be no trial. So life goes on for those powerful men involved who are probably happy as hell to know that they won't be exposed.

[lastlib]

219. Somebody "watched" him commit suicide.....

...with a little help from their friends, I'm sure......

AG Barr is "appalled" ("Appalled, I tell ya!&quot that this could happen.....)

[Hav]

8. I have this feeling that

some might feel relieved or hopeful that he might take some secrets into his grave.
I hope the investigations continue.

[Scalded Nun]

9. How convenient for so many

[Duppers]

173. +100

[Vinnie From Indy]

10. He was whacked

Too many billionaires and very powerful people were at risk.

[Traildogbob]

23. Of course he did

Any doubts Putin is in total control of our country, world, now. Everything trump does is Putin's playbook. We will see many suicides of political opponents in trump's second term.

[INdemo]

104. 2nd term?

[Traildogbob]

157. Beware

With voters suppression, purged voter roles, hacked machines, trump prison if not re/elected, McConnell and Putin, the very real scenario is freightenly possible. And Dem candidate purity testing, with voter infighting, and Putin's Tulsi Gabbert, (Jill Stien) we are in an almost impossible situation if 50 percent of voters don't have time or tune out.

[Zoonart]

24. NOT 24hrs after the big document drop by the courts.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

113. That...

... my guess is one name too many had already came out. Now to see if the so called, "deadman switch", is activated, ie... Epstein had info drop offs to be released if he should be whacked.

[RandiFan1290]

11. This should not be a surprise

Just like the 'D.C. Madam' Deborah Jeane Palfrey.



.

[Ghost Dog]

72. Yeah.

Shocking.

[SurfinBetty]

12. Keep pursuing all the evidence against others

Justice cannot be denied against all of them.

[spooky3]

17. Agree nt

[RVN VET71]

40. 'Zackly

The pig did not act alone. He had a "staff" of goddam procurers and assistants who kept the girls in line and away from public scrutiny. Every one of those dirt bags must be brought to justice.

[defacto7]

181. And they are all just as vulnerable as he was.

[gristy]

206. Yes, exactly. They now are looking at a clear example of what happens if they even think of talking.

[Rebl2]

49. Absolutely!!!!

[Delmette2.0]

169. Yes! The clients/ friends should be investigated.

And if possible tried for rape and sexual assault.

[yellerpup]

13. Release of new evidence and passenger manifest yesterday

and dead this morning. I am not surprised. I would be surprised if he didn't get an assist.

[spooky3]

15. MSNBC is (so far) saying "he was found dead" as opposed to "suicide."

[spooky3]

43. Now they are calling it "suicide" but raising questions.

[Historic NY]

67. He was found hanging around.....

The officials told NBC News he was found at 7:30 a.m. ET at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York and that he hanged himself.

When you on a watch you not suppose to have any materials that can be easily shredded to be used in hanging.

[Seedersandleechers]

141. and you are on camera 24/7

[Historic NY]

200. Exactly, I believe regulations would call for 15 min. intervals...

where a physical inspection must be done. Considering he had an attempt already. Doesn't matter if he's on camera either!!!

[TruckFump]

16. God riddance to total scum!

Just wish he had stuck around enough to get all the Trumpistas he furnished little girls to.

[samnsara]

37. if there were crimes committed by others i would assume the investigation goes on?

...hopefully..?

[TruckFump]

48. Oh, yeah, no doubt in my mind that it continues.

I just wish that Epstein had stuck around to testify against them in order to get a plea deal.

I do believe that they found a lot of evidence at places Epstein lived or had access to.

[jberryhill]

18. Thus saving everybody's pet fact-free theory

[NurseJackie]

25. It does nothing of the sort.

[jberryhill]

33. Sure it does

Look at this thread.

Look at every thread to come today on this subject.

The overwhelming majority of posters have thus far, and will continue, to claim that the “suicide” was arranged to protect a huge ring of pedophiles which will get away as a result of his death.

[still_one]

47. They are speculating. Is the speculation unreasonable? Since he was supposedly on

"suicide watch", who was not watching?

Is that unreasonable speculation?

[jberryhill]

62. People seem to attribute magical power to "suicide watch"

Having someone wear paper clothes and then checking in on them from time to time will not prevent a determined person from devising a way to kill themselves.

Yeah, the whole lockup is in on some conspiracy to kill him and claim it is suicide. Uh-huh. Because just like the courts and every other institution they are hopelessly corrupt, so there is no point to political engagement. It’s always the same song and dance.

The magical incantation “suicide watch” is not 100% effective.

[still_one]

71. Still, it will be interesting to see how he did it

[jberryhill]

76. Yup

To be dismissed as “the official story” by those decrying “sheeple”.

[Old Vet]

180. Common sense dictates he wasnt built for jail, It was his only out

[yardwork]

60. Who cares what we say here. Would you agree that the investigation should continue?

There are other people accused of crimes against children in this case. Now that Epstein is dead, should the investigation be dropped?

[jberryhill]

64. Welcome to Non-sequitur Sweepstakes

Yes. That’s exactly what I said.

[yardwork]

175. Argh. I'm not accusing you of anything. Asking what you think.

Sheesh.

For the record, I think he probably paid the guards to let him commit suicide, for the same reason other chid molesters commit suicide. His life was going to be miserable in prison, so he checked out.

I fervently hope the people who aided and enabled his criminal acts can be brought to justice and I'm asking you, as a lawyer, if you think that's likely.

[PSPS]

86. No kidding

This will go on forever. "The mob did it," "Hillary ordered it from the pizza basement," "The Queen ordered it to protect Andrew," etc.

The fact is that this is the usual end to a child molester's life -- they commit suicide. But people want to make everything conform to their favorite movie or television show.

[jberryhill]

90. "The fact is that this is the usual end to a child molester's life"

Yep. The usual thing happened.

[58Sunliner]

129. The only pet theory I see here is yours-which also relies upon a dearth of facts.

[jberryhill]

134. Lol

And what would that “theory” be? That people are going to make shit up that suits them? That’s already well in progress.

[Devil Child]

237. Check your post upthread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142352799#post90

You have arrived at your conclusion and made a statement of fact just as others have done. You must have a better crystal ball than the rest of us.

[Floyd R. Turbo]

21. Hmm!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212279920

[sinkingfeeling]

26. True according to NYTimes.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjCiu-ysvjjAhUCPa0KHZXdBeEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F08%2F10%2Fnyregion%2Fjeffrey-epstein-suicide.html&psig=AOvVaw2EPMGHbAUJR0u2lpCJq5VM&ust=1565529608506859

[yardwork]

28. The investigation must continue.

[Nay]

29. Suicide, MY ASS. They got to him and killed him so he couldn't tell on all

the rich and famous who were raping girls.

Now, what is going to happen to all the evidence the FBI supposedly has? Is there going to be a big fire at the storage facility?

Jeezus.

Epstein was on a suicide watch, so how the hell did he kill himself?

[Captain Zero]

127. My guess is Barr knows someone who owns a crematorium

and someone else Barr knows will drop
off the evidence and watch while it all goes up in smoke.

-or- Trump and Putin will end up with all the evidence, in a Kremlin vault...

[Sapient Donkey]

229. I understand the suspicion, but how can you say it with such certainty?

Let's say they were to release a video that showed him going into cell and no one else going into his cell afterward. Would that convince you or would you assume the video is doctored? If they had a video of him actually killing himself, would that be enough or would you believe it was a fake video or maybe he was compelled to do so by "them"?

That's the problem I have with most folks who are quick to make absolute statements without evidence. They often deny the evidence as it comes in to continue to fit what they originally stated was absolute fact.

I get why this is suspicious. My first thought was that "oh yeah, they shut him up" But that is just wild speculation and not something I could say I actually believe as fact. I need to see how it plays out to see if that is a legitimate claim. They could release videos like I described above. If they do that, then it would seem the speculation was false.... I mean, unless I was dead set on not believing that at all costs. However, if the entire thing gets shrouded in mystery. Videos are "lost" or magically deleted and logs were not kept, or other things just don't add up, then that gives credence to the idea of something shady.

I wont be surprised if it goes either way

[Nay]

234. In my case, the simple fact that people like Trump, Barr, Russians and the rest of the enablers

are in the White House make the whole thing stink from the beginning. Of course he may simply have killed himself. But due to the perfidy, wealth, and assholiness of the vermin who would love to see him dead, I jump first to the other scenario as the one I want investigated.

[Doodley]

30. I long for the day the same news applies to a certain wannabe fascist dictator of America.

[Scarsdale]

78. Oh, he LOVES

himself too much to do any harm to himself. He thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We all see a bloated, orange, shapeless clown. He sees a slim, youthful, handsome STAR.

[mitch96]

32. LET THE CONSPIRACY BEGIN!!!!!!!

You KNOW Limpballs and alex jones are gonna have a field day with this one..
m

[jberryhill]

34. As will most people on DU

[stonecutter357]

56. so ?

[jberryhill]

70. Yeah, why not. We had fake hospital workers here this week

..so we might as well just make shit up.

[58Sunliner]

126. What you had was multiple execs and presidents with that group.

That was manipulated. If you think it did not make a difference then you have never worked in a hospital.

[LanternWaste]

244. Seems more fun to pretend cleverness as the expense of benign speculation.

Seems more fun to pretend cleverness as the expense of benign speculation than "just making shit up..." (the important here is to re-focus criticism back onto people whose guesswork is different from yours. Atta boy!).

[justgamma]

68. The difference is

the righties will add this to Hillary's "hit" list. I seen them already say that if anything happened to him, it will be because of Clinton.

[RobinA]

197. Yes,

the all powerful Clintons. Somehow Obama was involved, too, I just know it.

[hlthe2b]

106. As none of us were there and thus have no way of knowing what happened, your contemptous call-outs

are unwarranted.

I assume what is reported is factual. Do I know that for certain? Hell no. And, even taking at face value that he was found hanged does NOT rule out homicide.

If it were NOT factual, my guess is the truth will out eventually. Until then, I assume he committed suicide, rather than was murdered, both of which are possible under the best of controlled jail environments. As Former Federal Prosecutor, Paul Butler just stated on MSNBC, a homicide investigation will have to be completed--per protocol-- before we can assume it was suicide. He was quite clear that given what he knew about other powerful, influential people, that that was a GIVEN.

SO. stop attacking everyone else for simply stating the obvious.

[samnsara]

35. he hanged himself.?.. they should rule out auto-erotic asphyxiation...

...just like the guy who held those women for ten years...those men are cowards.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

36. And cue the conspiracy theories in 3, 2, 1...

...actors will depend on one’s point of view.

[LisaL]

38. Nothing suspicious about this at all.

Wasn't he supposed to have been on suicide watch?

[jberryhill]

51. Suicide watch is 100% effective in preventing suicide where?

Can you remind me of the place where various “suicide watch” routines have been 100% effective at preventing a determined person from committing suicide?

Because I seem to have forgotten where that place is.

If you decide to bang your head against a hard object with as much force as you possibly can, then can you describe how someone not in the room with you is going to stop you?

[Igel]

88. They don't assign a person to sit there and watch you.

It means that they more often check on you. Perhaps there's a camera pointed in your direction that they check more often--but still, it's not a 60/60/24/7 sort of thing (expanding the usual "24/7" to be inclusive at 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, 7 days a week).

[Mc Mike]

63. Well, right now it's simple. On or off, zero or 1, yes or no.

Info will come out, disinfo will come out.

Frank Nitti committed suicide by shooting himself in the head, twice.

This current suicidal wiseguy who was connected to Rump, I hope the investigation into his criminal actions continues and expands, encompassing all the people who were committing crimes with him, around him, in an actual conspiracy. All the rape and child trafficking of all the people around Epstein and tRump, let's bring all that out though this suspect is dead.

Especially since his buddy is going on about rapist child trafficking criminal immigrants, as we speak. Dictating governmental policy around his hatred of those crimes, because of how they're against the values he strongly holds, eksetera.

[sandensea]

238. And of course Gary Webb

[oldsoftie]

92. EXACTLY.

[NurseJackie]

39. IMHO: His suicide should be taken to mean "I Confess! Guilty as Charged"

[LisaL]

44. I don't think he needed suicide for that.

[NurseJackie]

55. True. He could have actually confessed.

But he knew he was guilty, and he knew they had the goods on him this time and that there was no chance of getting any sweetheart deals, no chance of influencing victims or witnesses... and he knew that he wouldn't do well in prison.

He died afraid. Fearful. Terrorized.

Good.

[TruckFump]

50. +1 EOM

[Botany]

41. Gee, on the same day that it has come out that Trump had been on his planes ....

.... years after he said that he no longer had any contact w/Epstein.

Don't worry about anything Frankie five angels

[NurseJackie]

42. maybe someone didn't realize that "Suicide Watch" meant they were supposed to INTERVENE and PREVENT

I doubt it was murder. I doubt it was actively "assisted". But I do kinda think (with no evidence other than my suspicious mind) that maybe someone didn't realize that "Suicide Watch" meant they were supposed to INTERVENE and PREVENT a suicide. They weren't LITERALLY supposed to sit there and "watch the suicide" take place.

[rawhideal]

45. He took the easy way out

[DrToast]

46. I'm no conspiracy nut, but this sure smells fishy

[DemoTex]

52. Baxtered?

John Clifford "Cliff" Baxter was an Enron Corporation executive who resigned in May 2001 before committing suicide the following year. Prior to his death he had agreed to testify before Congress in the Enron scandal.

[Ilsa]

69. I remember that.

Baxter knew too much too. He was probably told to do the deed, or his wife and kids would be attacked.

[liberal N proud]

53. Suicide my ass!

If he killed himself, I must be a billionaire

[mucifer]

54. I'm actually very glad he spent his final days suffering in a state prison

yes it should have been decades longer but at least he didn't get away with it.

[SunSeeker]

214. It was a federal prison.

"The Federal Bureau of Prisons confirmed Epstein's death, saying he was found unresponsive in his cell at New York's Metropolitan Correctional Center around 6:30 a.m. ET." https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

Apparently the feds suck at suicide watch.

[Roy Rolling]

57. "Definitely Not Putin"

He said he didn’t and I believe him — Don “Orange” Trump future

[Richard D]

58. Strangled . . .

. . . by his own two hands. Or two bullets to the back of his head.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. OMG thought they were protecting him

[left-of-center2012]

65. Trump will send 'thoughts and prayers'

As he and many other important people breathe a sigh of relief.

[Leghorn21]

66. ...

[bluedigger]

73. Nothing is too hard when you have the means.

I expect the guards on watch were bribed to allow this by Epstein himself.

[LeftInTX]

174. That's what I'm thinking...

[Jedi Guy]

241. Bribed with what, though? His prison commissary account?

I very much doubt there was a bribe here. For one thing, I'd think all of his finances would be frozen or otherwise disabled. For another, the investigation of how this happened is going to focus on the guard(s) who should have been watching Epstein. You can bet that their finances are going to be checked out to see if there's a suspicious lump in their bank account, or if they suddenly paid off a bunch of debt, etc. Any guard who took a bribe is an imbecile just begging to lose their job and get promoted to customer.

Like Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In this case, I suspect Epstein realized that he had nothing to look forward to apart from a sensational and humiliating trial, followed by incarceration for the rest of his life with a nice big target pinned on his back. Once that realization truly hit him, he opted out on his own terms. I'm sorry he's dead, but only because he evaded the justice he so richly deserved.

One way or another, I expect the investigation will go on, so the rich, famous, and/or powerful who were chums with him aren't out of the woods just yet. I hope the bastards are sweating bullets and losing sleep.

[global1]

74. Not For A Second Do I Believe That This Was Suicide......

He really doesn't strike me as a guy that would commit suicide. He had the money to buy his way out of this. Why would he choose death at his own hands.

Something is rotten in Denmark!!!!!!!

[whathehell]

144. He "bought his way out" the 1st time -- The 2nd time didn't look so good.

He tried for bail by offering his $77 million dollar NY penthouse, but the judge refused. He was looking at a serious sentence this time.

[global1]

162. Still Too Early In This Case For Him To Off Himself.....

I don't think - at this juncture - that he was at the end of his rope (no pun intended). It seems to me with the money, lawyers and influence he has or had - that he could have held hope that somehow he would come out of this relatively unscathed - through some sort of loophole in the law.

If in fact - all legal and illegal pathways were taken and it appeared that there was no way out and that he'd spend the rest of his life in jail - maybe then - I could have bought the fact that he offed himself. But this was just too early in this case for him to take such drastic measures.

I don't believe he committed suicide. Too suspicious!!!!!

[whathehell]

184. Not sure...People in far less dire circumstances commit suicide.

That said, he may have been murdered -- I'd say the probabilities are 50/50. We just have to wait and see.

[Ligyron]

208. That's the thing that makes me a bit suspicious.

There were still avenues of possible evasion for him so it's way, way too early for him to be checking himself out.

After all he was in solitary, would no doubt remain there and thus in no real danger from all those avenging angel inmates who supposedly hate and kill all pedophiles. That's another thing: I have a hard time believing these inmates would consider sex with a 13 yr old female, even if it wasn't too consensual, to be all that horrible a crime. Many have undoubtedly done almost, (if not exactly) the same thing themselves and would probably be more likely to high five him than off him.

Now if he had raped little boys, sure because more than a few of those inmates have been victims themselves. But sex with teenage girls? Nah.

[Snarkoleptic]

75. Seems convenient timing, as the flight logs that were just released

showed tRump WAS on Epstein's private jet, despite tRump claiming otherwise.

[Catherine Vincent]

79. I can't believe this. Very fishy.

I can smell the conspiracy theories already.

[sandensea]

80. How convenient

Cheeto must be breathing easier today, that's for sure.

[ashredux]

81. Simple...They Got Him.

[Hugin]

82. Dang, shades of the DC Madam.

Thus ends the kompromat gathering stylings of Mssrs. Epstein and Who-knows-else.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Can hear trump now, "so sad, he was a great guy!"

[Hugin]

94. But, he hardly knew him and was not a fan.

He brought covfefe once.

[zentrum]

85. Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by

......convenient suicide ordered by some uber-rich cohorts who didn't want him naming names.

Give him a sheet and walk away. It's done.

[oldsoftie]

87. Let the conspiracies begin!

The right & left will have their own theories!!

[Polybius]

243. Maybe they're both right

His clients and rumored clients were politicians at the very highest levels on both sides of the political isle. Judges too. Perhaps the left and right teamed up on this one.

[LiberalArkie]

89. It will be interesting to see who takes possession of his properties and the contents.

[oldsoftie]

95. Should be split up among his victims NT

[empedocles]

98. All is not lost. Apparently a ton of incriminating information has been seized.

traitortrump-barr have not been able to bottle up everything.

[LittleGirl]

91. This pisses me off

Gdamnit. I wanted to take all of that shit to court. Name names.

[SayItLoud]

93. We can't catch a break! nt.

[The Liberal Lion]

96. This is odd

I don't know much about the corrections system outside of what I see on TV, but don't they put people who have made a suicide attempt like he did on suicide watch?

[jberryhill]

99. Absent full 24/7 restraint, you can't really completely prevent suicide

There is nothing odd about a captured child molester committing suicide. It’s the exact opposite of “odd”.

[PSPS]

124. Quite. Even those on the loose who feel their capture is imminent will usually kill themselves.

[Flaleftist]

140. Is it odd that while on suicide watch he had something in his cell

that he could use to hang himself? If not, then they need to reconsider their suicide watch measures because they are ineffective. They might not be able to prevent someone from bashing their head against a wall, but they can remove anything that could make a noose, even if it means nothing but a paper gown and concrete bed.

Since he was in the position to expose many wealthy and powerful people, I can understand that some people are suspicious of his death.

[Bayard]

97. He escaped too easily

Whether by his own hand, or someone else's. His victims deserved more closure.

[jpak]

101. Suicide Watch Fall - they allowed him to do this.

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Yup

[SHRED]

102. Incompetent supervision or worse?

[DrToast]

111. MSNBC reporting he was taken off suicide watch.

Why? Who made that decision? Investigate that person.

[BeyondGeography]

139. Well there you go

Suicide watch doesn’t prevent suicide when there’s no suicide watch. Go figure.

[OKNancy]

103. OMG stay off twitter.. even on my all liberal follow list

I'm seeing tweet after tweet saying it's part of the Clinton Body Count.
Of course people are making fun of the nuts, but there are cranks who believe this shit.

[yardwork]

190. The predictable response.

[Sapient Donkey]

223. The internet. Such a wonderful place.

I get the suspicious nature of this whole thing, but it's amazing how certain people can be about it before having any facts.

[empedocles]

107. Edit to: "EPSTEIN IS DEAD, DIES BY SUICIDE" - Official explanation

[empedocles]

171. CNN edits to 'apparent suicide'

[tymorial]

108. Watch what happens next. My guess nothing

Not with this administration.

[UpInArms]

109. This is a travesty and a miscarriage of justice

I wanted this piece of living excrement on trial

I wanted it to become a national conversation by a shit flinging monkey...

No matter who it hit ... I wanted all of them to wear their own stink in public ...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[yaesu]

123. our whole justice system is a travesty, if he didn't bribe his way out 10 years ago

tRump would be in prison instead of the white house. Now, tRump gets off, again as we all know he molested numerous girls.

[jberryhill]

131. Ah yes, "we all know" the entire justice system is a "travesty"

...and that the institutions of our democracy are generally untrustworthy.

Yep, there it is.

[Mendocino]

110. Captain Renault

in Casablanca "We haven't decided on did he was shot while trying to escape or did he commit suicide?"

[Paladin]

112. It's a start. (nt)

[GeorgeGist]

114. And the hits just keep on comin'

Suicide my ass.

[George II]

115. Really odd reporting. Everyone is saying he "died by suicide", which isn't the normal way...

...of phrasing it. Isn't it normally "he committed suicide"?

I could see one media outlet saying that, but all that I've seen this morning are saying "died by suicide". I wonder why?

[DrToast]

116. No, "died by suicide" is the way it's said now.

[George II]

120. Thanks. I actually never heard that before.

[CCExile]

118. I want Epstein tried "in absentia" so the important info is aired.

[rampartc]

121. i want a dna test

the real Epstein might be in Miami having a massage.

[Captain Zero]

138. church lady says

[IronLionZion]

125. Trumpsters already claiming the Clintons had him whacked

[EllieBC]

130. Sure he did. Just a way for his clientele list to not be leaked.

It should be anyway. We should know!

[people]

132. Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide

This happens literally the day after prominent names start to leak after the release of all those documents -- some of those names had not been mentioned before. Of course, though, none of these men ever saw or did anything and none of them knew anything about what Epstein was up to. It will be shocking to me if this whole business isn't completely buried again forever.

[chowder66]

135. The focus should shift to Ghislaine Maxwell who was his partner in crime. nt

[JudyM]

178. She should be put in protective custody if justice is to be served. Same for the pilot(s).

[JudyM]

216. Which case? I missed that and can't find it online...

Got a link?

[chowder66]

220. My bad. I thought that's what I read but I'm seeing things apparently.

I'm going to self delete that.

[JudyM]

235. Heh, NP. I think that must be going around, everything's multi-level crazy and moving fast.

[rokar]

137. Continue the investigation

Just because he died and went to hell doesn't mean the investigation should end. The evidence seized can still be used against anyone else involved in this abomination. And, they can't challenge its use because it wasn't seized from them.

[SharonAnn]

155. The criminal investigation against him is dead. No way to revive it. But,

there can be charges against his "madam" and victims might be able to sue the estate. Don't know about that.

[bucolic_frolic]

142. Dead men don't talk

seems not a coincidence

[nycbos]

143. This going to laugh 2,000,000 conspiracy theories.

[chowder66]

145. Just now on msnbc someone said he was recently taken off of suicide watch. Only one official

has said this so far.

[keithbvadu2]

146. Suicide or suicided?

Suicide or suicided?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

161. Dead men tell no tales.

If it's really Epstein, and if he's really dead, quite a few people will breathe a bit easier, sleep a bit sounder.

[keithbvadu2]

164. "If it's really Epstein" - see the movie: Swordfish

[Recursion]

147. Remember when Ken Lay "died" too?

Funny how that works

[crazytown]

204. 'Oh Kenny Boy

the mics, the mics are calling'

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

148. There may be a dead body in Epstein's cell, but is it really Epstein?

This is just too strange. Especially for someone on suicide watch.

[Recursion]

154. Bingo. Glad I'm not the only one who went there

If it's true that he was Mossad...

[The Blue Flower]

149. All cowardly sociopaths should take this route

Save the rest of us a lot of time and resources.

[grantcart]

150. Ghislaine. Maxwell is quite alive and facing civil action

Remember that what was released was under seal

It is all coming out.

Bad for Dershewiitz, Mitchel, Richardson and others

Actually don't think they have anything directly on Trump

[ArcticFox]

151. I doubt it

Somebody made it look like a suicide, more likely

[rocktivity]

152. There's a very special legal term for being unable to defend yourself without incriminating yourself

Guilty.




rocktivity

[Yavin4]

153. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. It's Chinatown."

[Hotler]

159. Well that's convenient for a lot of rich powerful people.

I hope they don't drop this investigation. A lot of creeps need the sun light shown on them.

[rocktivity]

201. The suicide watch team certainly needs to be gone through

like an overdose of Epsom salts.


rocktivity

[LiberalArkie]

166. More than likely: Either you kill yourself or someone will help you and the ones you care about.

[EarthFirst]

167. I'd be curious to know which ultra wealthy sick fuck made this order...

[Mrs. Overall]

168. Holy Shit.

[Enoki33]

170. A friend just commented that maybe this n/t explains why tRump

was sweating so profusely yesterday. Seriously, there are way too many unanswered questions out there to write this death off as a suicide that so benefits the rich and powerful. This is straight out of Putin’s playbook, and we all know who his biggest admirer is, and that his Florida home was used by Epstein as a recruiting ground. Really hope there will still be justice for the victims.

[Kablooie]

179. Someone paid to have him die, almost certainly.

Either he was or the suicide watch was paid to look the other way.
Probably both.
Right after yesterday's release of a few names.

I wish the truth would come out but it never will

[lanlady]

182. Where the hell is Ghislaine Maxwell?

Why hasn't she been charged too? This whole thing is f***ed up royally. Will those victims never see justice done?

[gldstwmn]

240. Ghislane's daddy was supposedly

Mossad. They probably know everything while that bitch is off giving Ted Talks about saving the oceans. I'm sure she was an "informant."

[nmgaucho]

185. ...

[True Dough]

227. Winner!

In the category: Most Spectacular Use of a Gif.

Well done, nmgaucho!

[Tarc]

187. He was supposed to be under 24h observation after the 1st attempt in July

Trump's man got to him, probably used the same goon that accosted Stormy Daniels once.

[SunSeeker]

215. Epstein had said that "1st attempt" was actually an assault.

"It was not clear in July to jail officials if the injuries Epstein sustained at that time, which were not serious, were self-inflicted or the result of an assault, the sources said. Epstein told authorities he was beaten up and called a child predator, they said." https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[RVN VET71]

245. There are 1,000s of goons to choose from

Stormy's goon needn't be called on a second time.

[Polly Hennessey]

191. Lessons learned from Putin.

[duforsure]

192. This isn't shocking to hear

When you have very powerful people involved and they have someone like him who knobs too much, this isn't a surprise, especially with Traitor tot involved and could be easily exposed. Barr should be forced to resign , but under the traitor he'll be given a bonus this was allowed to happen.

[Cryptoad]

194. Dead men tell no lies,,,,,,,,

[christx30]

195. Guess it's a good day to be a wealthy, powerful

sex criminal. They may see this as good luck. But, probably, someone made their own luck.

[Throck]

196. Hopefully his victims can sue the estate.

Hopefully they'll also talk since the monster is dead.

[duforsure]

198. You can bet Manifort and others

Who know too much are more scared this morning after this, knowing he could have been taken out by these powerful people.

[Sneederbunk]

203. Conspiracy rich circumstances.

[jmowreader]

207. And let me guess...

His little black book is going to be destroyed unopened out of respect for the dead.

[dustyscamp]

209. not good

[Brainfodder]

210. Expected? BUT....

Any relatable video feed survive the "suicide"?

The Black Book .pdf made the rounds, if this was a web kill should have been sooner?

In any case, not sad in the slightest, Bill Hicks would have loved to joke about this one?

[DeminPennswoods]

213. Not sure conspiracy speculation is helpful

AMJoy and her guests were pushing conspiracies during all her segments today.

Paul Butler did say that investigators have to rule out homicide, but that's SOP. Mentioning homicide does not imply that Epstein's death was due to some "deep state" ior "Russian" (Scarborough) conspiracy to keep him from directly implicating well-known men in his sex trafficing business.

It's perfectly logical that a person who is used to all the freedoms and lifestyle that money can buy simply could not bear the thought of spending the rest of his life in prison and figured out a way to kill himself.

[cstanleytech]

217. Assisted suicide?

[flotsam]

218. su·per·cil·i·ous

behaving or looking as though one thinks one is superior to others.
"a supercilious lady's maid"
synonyms: arrogant, haughty, conceited, disdainful, overbearing, pompous, condescending, superior, patronizing, imperious, proud, lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, smug;

Not the OP but some people making comments.

[yellowcanine]

221. Wingnuts will blame Bill Clinton.

3,2,1 until Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson start beating on the "Clinton Body Count" drum.

[Sapient Donkey]

222. I don't usually go down into crazy conspiracy land, but this strikes me as very suspicious

Mostly just because he obviously was in many well connected circles, and would likely know some really bad things about well connected people. We should probably wait to see how it plays out before making any absolute statements in either direction.

Sadly this will just be used to fuel the nutty right's ridiculous conspiracy theories, though.

[Ferrets are Cool]

224. Bull SHIT!!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

225. This thread, in a nutshell:

Not that anyone here is nuts, of course.



Source: August 1970, Vol. 1, No. 5 / Paranoia

smaller:

[Pachamama]

226. I am sure I am not alone in the same feeling of anger and furor about this

The arc of Justice may be long and eventually bend towards truth and what is right - but it sure feels like the powers be made sure that arc bent far far away from the truth and that Justice will not be served.

[sandensea]

228. Key word there being ": Officials"

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"Can you believe the Democrats thought he'd talk, Bill?"

"Well. Barring something untoward."

[mahatmakanejeeves]

230. Popehat speaks.

You'll have to unroll the threrad.

/3 You find it implausible because you think jailers would have to be freakishly incompetent to allow it to happen, and surely they aren’t. But they often are. You find it implausible because they would have to be wantonly indifferent to human life, and surely they aren’t. Dude.

Link to tweet

[mahatmakanejeeves]

231. Wait; it gets worse.

WhatFreshHellIsThisHat Retweeted

I just got off the phone with Q.

Was at car wash so bad connection, but here’s what I think they said.

Don’t quote me.

Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide on 8/10/19.

8 + 10 + 19 = 37

The name Bill Barr has 8 letters.

37 + 8 = 45

Donald Trump is the 45th President.

Link to tweet

[mahatmakanejeeves]

233. 5 ... 4 ... 3 .... Hillary did it.

Trump HUD Official: Hillary Had Jeffrey Epstein Killed

The Daily Beast reports:

Moments after billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was announced dead in what law enforcement sources described as an apparent suicide in his New York City jail cell, conspiracy theories about his death erupted on social media by people who suspected foul play. “Hillary’d!!” Lynne Patton, a Trump-appointed head of public housing in New York and New Jersey posted on Instagram shortly after Epstein was reported dead. “P.S. Let me know when I’m supposed to feel badly about this…”

Patton concluded the post with a hashtag alluding to a right-wing conspiracy theory that falsely claims the Clinton family orchestrated the death of a former deputy White House Counsel. Patton was far from the only social media user to implicate the Clintons in Epstein’s death. On Saturday morning, “Another Clinton,” “#ClintonBodyCount,” and “#ClintonCrimeFamily” trended on Twitter, alongside “‘Suicide’” (in quotation marks) and “Prince Andrew.”

Patton last made headlines when she scoffed at having violated Hatch Act rules, effectively saying “come get me.”

Earlier this year she was trotted out during a US House hearing as evidence that Trump isn’t racist.

She has also mocked death threats against Rep. Ilhan Omar and called reporter April Ryan “Miss Piggy.”

Oh, and she lied about having attended Yale.

[Devil Child]

236. I wonder if Epstein was as surprised by his suicide as I was

[Hekate]

239. This stinks to high heaven. nt

[GeorgeGist]

242. Paulie bumped into the Psychologist or Warden ...

and gave 'em a little tip.

[FeatherFox]

246. Thomas Bowers - apparent suicide

(My apologies. I do not yet have enough posts to make my own thread. I mostly read)

Thomas Bowers, identified as a former Deutsche Bank executive who signed off on controversial loans to President Donald Trump, died last week after apparently taking his own life at 55.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-deutsche-bank-executive-who-oversaw-trumps-loans-dies-by-suicide/