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DangerousRhythm

(2,916 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:58 PM Jul 2019

Jeffrey Epstein Found Injured in NYC Jail Cell After Possible Suicide Attempt or Assault: Sources

Source: NBC New York

Accused pedophile and wealthy Manhattan financier Jeffrey Epstein was found injured and in a fetal position inside his cell at a New York City jail, according to sources close to the investigation.

Epstein, who is being held in Metropolitan Correctional Center during his trial for conspiracy and sex trafficking, was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck, sources told News 4. Investigators are trying to piece together what happened, and have spoken to an accused killer who one source says may have attacked Epstein.

Read more: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Jeffrey-Epstein-Found-Injured-in-NYC-Jail-Cell-After-Possible-Suicide-Attempt-or-Assault-Sources-513174311.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand&__twitter_impression=true



*shrug*

He's only starting to get a taste of what he deserves.
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Jeffrey Epstein Found Injured in NYC Jail Cell After Possible Suicide Attempt or Assault: Sources (Original Post) DangerousRhythm Jul 2019 OP
Was/Is This A Set-Up To Get Him Out? Me. Jul 2019 #1
Could be a possible way to get a transfer. n/t DangerousRhythm Jul 2019 #2
Saw this in another thread Ponietz Jul 2019 #34
Leave his ass in jail and in solitary and not in general population and put him on iluvtennis Jul 2019 #37
What Surprises Me Me. Jul 2019 #73
Some people out there do not want him to talk Perseus Jul 2019 #58
Whitey Bulger was suddenly transferred and died 2naSalit Jul 2019 #69
Exactly Traildogbob Jul 2019 #70
Season 3 of Daredevil Jose Garcia Jul 2019 #65
Put that guy under double secret suicide watch Xipe Totec Jul 2019 #3
they better keep that fucker alive till he can testify. mopinko Jul 2019 #4
That's for sure bluestarone Jul 2019 #7
Amen. volstork Jul 2019 #28
not just heresay handmade34 Jul 2019 #52
+1000 sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #57
KARMA!!!!! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #5
Awww, poor baby- dawg day Jul 2019 #26
I hope he gets a repeated dose of the activities he purpertrated on all those young girls southerncrone Jul 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Jul 2019 #36
Hell yes! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #41
Jesus, that's not how decent humans think. Codeine Jul 2019 #66
Agreed... uriel1972 Jul 2019 #92
I've read that conditions there are bad. yardwork Jul 2019 #54
Poor thing. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #80
We need testimony from Epstein regarding his dealings with drumpf. democratisphere Jul 2019 #6
Too bad. No bail. Put him in solitary. marble falls Jul 2019 #8
Probably a dozen or so people have put a hit out on him. DURHAM D Jul 2019 #9
Trump is most likely one of them. Lonestarblue Jul 2019 #55
And here we go! Polybius Jul 2019 #10
thoughts and prayers ... jb5150 Jul 2019 #11
I vote to isolate him and set up a live webcam so we can all keep an eye on him. eggplant Jul 2019 #12
Hell, charge $10 a week mercuryblues Jul 2019 #51
Trump borrowing a page from Putin. edbermac Jul 2019 #13
Wonder if he staged it as an attempt to get the court to reconsider granting him bail or to try and cstanleytech Jul 2019 #14
Maybe they should send in some more children he can defile, degrade, debase, corrupt, slime. Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #15
Epstein found in "fetal position"? Pachamama Jul 2019 #16
Tartaglione SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #20
And they put him in a cell with Epstein? mountain grammy Jul 2019 #21
I'd for sure stay on Nic's good side: Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #27
More on Nic recently, caught with a phone, cannot post the articles at present.. Anon-C Jul 2019 #31
One of those neck wider than his brain pan guys. lol alphafemale Jul 2019 #47
Some doesn't want him to finger... Dopers_Greed Jul 2019 #17
Suicide doesn't make sense with the appeal going on Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #18
Actually, suicide is pretty common in child molestation cases. PSPS Jul 2019 #19
So are attacks by other prisoners. Liberty Belle Jul 2019 #23
Um, he was in a locked cell. PSPS Jul 2019 #25
With a cellmate SoCalNative Jul 2019 #76
It's more about Blackjackdavey Jul 2019 #81
What appeal? H2O Man Jul 2019 #22
For one he is appealing his bail denial plus I am sure there are a boatload of other appeals either cstanleytech Jul 2019 #24
Okay. H2O Man Jul 2019 #74
Suicide or 'suicided'? keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #75
I hate to say it but they need to protect this piece of shit at all costs Quixote1818 Jul 2019 #29
I'm thinking he knows too much and will either disappear or be killed 'accidentally.' PatrickforO Jul 2019 #30
Same here, my first thoughts. Duppers Jul 2019 #39
In movies it is just called 'insurance.' n/t PatrickforO Jul 2019 #42
That would be the smart thing for him to do oldsoftie Jul 2019 #50
"Dead Man's Switch/Dead Man's Letter"? forgotmylogin Jul 2019 #67
"doesn't log in...on a regular basis" Duppers Jul 2019 #85
I may have been in his safe, and the feds have already raided that LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #68
But perhaps not. Duppers Jul 2019 #86
Maybe on some non US property.. Maybe a bank safety deposit box. LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #87
Dead man's switch or dead man's hand. Jedi Guy Jul 2019 #82
Jeebus.F'n.Crist Duppers Jul 2019 #84
Yet another Trump fail. hunter Jul 2019 #32
Still won't get him the work release program he wants. nt TeamPooka Jul 2019 #33
It's a warning for him to keep his mouth shut defacto7 Jul 2019 #38
Doesn't like real jail. safeinOhio Jul 2019 #40
If he tried to hang himself would that leaves marks? BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #43
There would be a belt or torn sheet. safeinOhio Jul 2019 #44
Good point. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #45
Oh....the DRAMA! alphafemale Jul 2019 #46
Just keep your eye on the sparrow Grokenstein Jul 2019 #48
People are on the WRONG track here... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #49
Nothing on the morning news about Epstein... Sancho Jul 2019 #53
I detest what he did to those poor kids. zanana1 Jul 2019 #56
+1 Chemisse Jul 2019 #61
Please stop saying he deserves to be brutalized. Chemisse Jul 2019 #59
We don't know what happened Miles Archer Jul 2019 #63
Fake. He just wants to stay in the infirmary. SummerSnow Jul 2019 #60
I guess that monster was missing the good wifi and internet of his former FailureToCommunicate Jul 2019 #62
Wait. Is this self-deportation? bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #64
Watch out for the polonium Jeff! the_sly_pig Jul 2019 #71
Could well be the guy was just instructed to put a beating on him. pecosbob Jul 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2019 #79
Really don't care Butterflylady Jul 2019 #77
Some many possibilities, but the one that comes to mind is Putin. C Moon Jul 2019 #78
Trying to pull a "Fred West"? Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #83
OK, I think it was self-inflicted, Lefta Dissenter Jul 2019 #88
And three theories of what happened just isn't enough - LOL! Chemisse Jul 2019 #90
Every mystery Lefta Dissenter Jul 2019 #91
Meet Jeff Epstein's new roommate... whathehell Jul 2019 #89

iluvtennis

(19,858 posts)
37. Leave his ass in jail and in solitary and not in general population and put him on
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:53 AM
Jul 2019

suicide watch. He just wants to claim jail is unsafe and he be returned to house arrest.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
58. Some people out there do not want him to talk
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:31 AM
Jul 2019

Hmmm...He should have 24/7 security, I feel there are people in very high places who are not interested in Epstein opening his mouth.

2naSalit

(86,604 posts)
69. Whitey Bulger was suddenly transferred and died
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jul 2019

bu being beaten to death shortly after the crime syndicate took over the Oval Office.

This POS can take down a lot of powerful people, he had better live long enough to testify.

Just sayin'.

Traildogbob

(8,739 posts)
70. Exactly
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

Keep his ass alive, but fearful enough he talks and spills everything. Seems the law has T Rex arms but the arms of Putin and treasonous assets in the White House are longer than dozens of trump ties. Long arm of the law my ass. Useless under a lawless regime.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
3. Put that guy under double secret suicide watch
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jul 2019

And if you think this will help your appeal to get bail, think again, Jeffrey.

volstork

(5,400 posts)
28. Amen.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jul 2019

Then, he deserves a slow, painful decline, suffering in the way they say all child abusers do in prison.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
52. not just heresay
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:57 AM
Jul 2019

I did time as a Correctional Officer, and I can attest to the fact that child abusers are targets in jail/prison... "inmate code"

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
5. KARMA!!!!!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019


"Barket said Tartaglione and Epstein have been complaining about conditions inside the MCC including flooding, rodents and bad food."

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
35. I hope he gets a repeated dose of the activities he purpertrated on all those young girls
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:38 AM
Jul 2019

for all those years.

Response to southerncrone (Reply #35)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
66. Jesus, that's not how decent humans think.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:34 AM
Jul 2019

Advocating for violent rape of the imprisoned is disgusting.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
92. Agreed...
Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:02 AM
Jul 2019

No matter how bad the person is, or what they did, we mustn't become the same as them. It's not just about their humanity, it's also about ours.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
80. Poor thing.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jul 2019

He was complaining about the conditions...

"Epstein has been complaining about conditions inside the MCC including flooding, rodents and bad food".

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
6. We need testimony from Epstein regarding his dealings with drumpf.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jul 2019

Epstein's testimony could put drump away for good.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
14. Wonder if he staged it as an attempt to get the court to reconsider granting him bail or to try and
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:33 PM
Jul 2019

influence the judge and or DA to show mercy?

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
15. Maybe they should send in some more children he can defile, degrade, debase, corrupt, slime.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:36 PM
Jul 2019

That might put the familiar leer back on his face.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
16. Epstein found in "fetal position"?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:45 PM
Jul 2019

Here is the craziest thing in the article:

"A fourth source said an assault has not been ruled out, and that another inmate was questioned. The inmate who investigators have talked to in Lower Manhattan facility has been identified as Nicholas Tartaglione, according to two sources. Tartaglione is a former police officer in Westchester County who was arrested in December 2016 and accused of killing four men in an alleged cocaine distribution conspiracy, then burying their bodies in his yard in Otisville in Orange County, according to court records."

Yikes....

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
47. One of those neck wider than his brain pan guys. lol
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:42 AM
Jul 2019

Also looks like he's holding his dog by the windpipe.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
18. Suicide doesn't make sense with the appeal going on
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:08 AM
Jul 2019

Either someone wanted to make a name by taking him out or someone was paid to take him out. If he is willing to testify, they need to hide him somewhere.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
23. So are attacks by other prisoners.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:31 AM
Jul 2019

Child rapists are the lowest of the low, even in prison since many inmates are dads themselves.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
81. It's more about
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jul 2019

many of them having been molested themselves. Just saying. In fact, one interesting commonality among many incarcerated men is that they enjoyed relationships with adult women while in their teens which teen boys very often, maybe always, consider a badge of honor while totally oblivious to the fact they are in fact being molested.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
24. For one he is appealing his bail denial plus I am sure there are a boatload of other appeals either
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:36 AM
Jul 2019

in the works or to be filed should he be convicted.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
74. Okay.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:35 AM
Jul 2019

Seems like the mere thought of those would keep him in a chipper mood. Hopefully a wood chipper.

Quixote1818

(28,934 posts)
29. I hate to say it but they need to protect this piece of shit at all costs
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:01 AM
Jul 2019

If he goes down then it makes it a lot harder to take others down.

PatrickforO

(14,573 posts)
30. I'm thinking he knows too much and will either disappear or be killed 'accidentally.'
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:06 AM
Jul 2019

I'm not getting the tinfoil hat out or anything, but I know how really powerful people roll, and Epstein knows too much about too many of them for his own health.

I hope not, though. As much of a dirtbag as Epstein is, I am fervently hoping he spills some real beans.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
39. Same here, my first thoughts.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:03 AM
Jul 2019

I think I read somewhere that he has kind of an "insurance policy" whereby someone he trusted would mail things out if he were ever killed. Things that would expose a lot of people, ensuring that people would not try to murder him. I think there is a term for that but I can't recall what it is at the moment. "Kill-safe"? (Or is that a gamer term?)

oldsoftie

(12,535 posts)
50. That would be the smart thing for him to do
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:38 AM
Jul 2019

Let the chips fall where they may. Expose EVERYONE who used children.

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
67. "Dead Man's Switch/Dead Man's Letter"?
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 08:34 AM
Jul 2019

Although it's usually more of a mechanical/plot setup in books or movies - if a person doesn't log in to a web page or some kind of account on a regular basis, it's set to automatically email evidence to specific people who can do something with it. And it only offers protection if enemies are aware of it.

Likely this could be accomplished by a human assistant as well. "If anything happens to me, drop this in the mail."

It's common on true crime recreation shows that a victim's friend has an "If anything happens, tell the police to investigate this person" letter or conversation with them.

Jedi Guy

(3,189 posts)
82. Dead man's switch or dead man's hand.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jul 2019

Scarily enough, the concept exists in the real world in other ways. The Soviet Union supposedly had (and Russia supposedly has it today) a system called either "Perimeter" or "Dead Hand."

The basic idea was that if all of the leadership folks were dead, this automated system would launch all the nukes at preset targets. That way even if the US managed a successful decapitation strike, there'd still be a response and thus, mutually assured destruction.

Good times with nuclear weapons...

safeinOhio

(32,676 posts)
44. There would be a belt or torn sheet.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:12 AM
Jul 2019

On the the other hand, the guy that might have done it doesn't look like he would be too weak to finish the job.
Looks like a staged job to me.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
45. Good point.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:19 AM
Jul 2019

Since the other guy is a former cop he probably has all kinds of useful experience and info to benefit himself and Epstein, especially if they have been bitching about the living conditions recently.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
46. Oh....the DRAMA!
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:31 AM
Jul 2019

As a cad who had manipulated young teen girls, and kept them in exploitative situations, I'm fairly certain this is not the first time he's pretended to hurt himself.

zanana1

(6,113 posts)
56. I detest what he did to those poor kids.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:25 AM
Jul 2019

I detest him, but I don't like to see anyone, no matter how scummy, in that kind of pain. Just call me a bleeding heart.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
59. Please stop saying he deserves to be brutalized.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:41 AM
Jul 2019

If indeed that is what happened.

All human beings deserve to be treated with some basic respect for their physical needs. Nobody should physically suffer while in prison and we should not applaud it when it happens.

How different is it to cheer on violence against this reprehensible person than it is to endorse violence against people crossing our borders, who right-wingers find reprehensible?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
63. We don't know what happened
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:50 AM
Jul 2019

Maybe it was a ploy to get a better cell / a better facility.

Maybe it was self-inflicted.

Maybe he was attacked.

I want to see him go through the judicial system, without any fixing or special favors, and receive justice. The justice system relies on the premise of "innocent until proven guilty," and there is a substantial amount of evidence...not limited to the materials found in his own home...that strongly suggests his innocence may be doubtful.

I want to see him receive whatever the justice system has determined to be the appropriate response for his "alleged" crimes.

That's about as diplomatic as I get. I don't endorse violence. I endorse justice, and in his case...if he is found guilty...I endorse the maximum sentence allowed by law. If that ends up being 45 years behind bars, as the media has suggested, I'm all for it.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
62. I guess that monster was missing the good wifi and internet of his former
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:46 AM
Jul 2019

"house arrest" scene.

I know I get cranky when the internet is down...

Seriously, I hope Satin is banking up a hot spot in Hell for this guy (and any orange haired co-molesters).

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
72. Could well be the guy was just instructed to put a beating on him.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jul 2019

Seen it done all the time...in the FCIs around the country. But he's in the Metropolitan Correction Center which is specifically designed to hold pretrial prisoners. If he's in adminstrative segregation (where he should be for his protection and his importance in ongoing investigations) no can get access to him without being allowed by corrections officers at some level. Even adseg exercise areas are in isolated cages exposed to outside air and are observed by staff. He is not supposed to be alone with other prisoners...ever.

Response to pecosbob (Reply #72)

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
78. Some many possibilities, but the one that comes to mind is Putin.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jul 2019

I'm surprised their haven't been more strange politically motivated deaths in the U.S. since 2016.
Maybe that comes after 2020.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
88. OK, I think it was self-inflicted,
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jul 2019

In order to get himself moved outta there. BUT, a friend texted me earlier today, with her made-up theory that it might have been a case of autoerotic asphyxiation.

Just thought I’d throw that random theory out there for your speculation, since speculation is all we have at the moment.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
90. And three theories of what happened just isn't enough - LOL!
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:19 PM
Jul 2019

Plus what is there about being in a jail cell that just makes one horny?

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