'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting
Source: Politico
The House speaker urged liberal Democrats not to criticize their centrist colleagues in public.
By HEATHER CAYGLE and SARAH FERRIS 07/10/2019 11:38 AM EDT Updated 07/10/2019 12:14 PM EDT
Speaker Nancy Pelosi chided progressives in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, calling on them to address their intra-party grievances privately rather than blasting their centrist colleagues on Twitter.
Pelosis comments, which were described as stern, came during the first full caucus meeting since a major blow up over emergency border funding last month between progressive and moderate lawmakers as well as a recent spat with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and her freshman allies.
"So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats, according to a source in the room. "But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just ok."
Democrats inside the room said they interpreted that remark as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the Child Abuse Caucus in a tweet over their support for the Senates version of the emergency humanitarian package.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/10/pelosi-progressives-twitter-1405763
groundloop
(11,518 posts)One thing repubs have excelled at is party discipline, we could take a lesson from that. I'm not saying that young progressives shouldn't express their opinions, but don't do it in a way to make it look like we're weak.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)We need to unite. What some folks don't get is the country is moderate.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)that many/most of the "liberal' ideas, positions ARE favored by americans.. It;s just when the wrong terms are used, explanations are not made, questions are asked in the wrong way, that the country seems 'moderate.'
Don;t correct me if I am wrong, I have trouble with criticism.
Just kidding.... well, maybe a little...
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... are the Americans in the Representative's district, not Americans as a whole. And their Representative knows their opinion.
Another factor is the difference between support for an abstract or ideological policy and support for actual legislation. Many folks are interested in getting something done and understand the trade offs that have to be made.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)I also think we need more aggressive action on impeachment hearings - at least CALL them that.
As to AOC - well, I didn't really want to come on here for a few days because I knew many, many, many on here would be piling on.
It got ugly, and I believe Pelosi's dismissal of these four women will backfire on her, and on the Dem leadership.
I'm sorry for it, but AOC, and the others are trying to get some action, and I don't think they will back down. And I don't think they will be defeated for reelection, either. I believe the Democratic party leadership is quite stuck with them, and good luck keeping them down.
If Pelosi isn't careful, the party is headed toward a rift just as we need to be united. But to be careful of the potential rift, Pelosi and the Democratic leadership will have to take vigorous and aggressive action against Republicans.
I guess we'll see how it plays out, won't we?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)one day everybody loves Pelosi if she does something.
next day the love AOC if she does something. and visa versa..
Not knowing the story of the feud I think they both have very valid stances And both make mistakes.
Pelosi perhaps in lumping together especially the 4 new progressive WOC, who just HAPPENED to be WOC..
And AOC was just as wrong to accuse Pelosi of going after the WOC, which I do not believe for a second would ever have entered Pelosi's mind.. just coincidence...
Eh, what do I know. I'm just a 'drummer.'
lapucelle
(18,248 posts)snip============================================================
"Actually, don't think twice; think once," Pelosi said.
"That was a very poignant moment in there," the senior aide said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/452422-pelosi-scolds-democrats-for-public-barbs
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)though drueling with anger and rage at the state of things, we need party discipline not division. the image we portray to the world is important. There are tradeoffs, compromises. But keep eyes on the prize.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Horizens
(637 posts)she's right.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)This faction of our party are going to bring us down, no doubt.
matt819
(10,749 posts)United front and all that.
But don't muzzle these new voices. Use them.
Yeah, yeah, I get it. Pelosi is a long-time pol. But we are not living in the same world that she was in as she matured in Congress and gained the position she has now.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)It is about what to tweet and what not to tweet. Tweet against donald Trump all day. Don't air your dirty laundry about other Dem members. It is making us look weak and pathetic.
Larrybanal
(227 posts)which is what we are lately
intheflow
(28,462 posts)Um, that's muzzling their voices. It's asking them to voluntarily forego their first amendment right of free speech to support their own party's agenda on points they disagree with. But, yeah, we Democrats should all walk in lockstep like Republicans do, because that's working out just fine for the country.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)hey maybe don't call your fellow Dems members of the child abuse caucus because of one vote you didn't like, you interpret that as "marching in lockstep?"
Mkay.
intheflow
(28,462 posts)is a form of systemic racism and control. Pelosi isn't calling out Warren, she isn't calling out Sanders for supporting much of the same legislation. She's tone policing, and it's bullshit.
Also, I never called any Democrat a child molester or even a Republican. But really: telling elected Democratic officials how they should interact with their constituents is trying to get the party united by excluding some voices. Excluding people is what Republicans do best. We Democrats need to do better. Much better.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I'm a POC. If I act in a way that's improper, I probably should be called out just like anyone else.
This turning it into a racial issue is bullshit.
happy feet
(869 posts)intheflow
(28,462 posts)groundloop
(11,518 posts)Calling other Democrats names isn't going to accomplish anything. Talking with each other is the way to get things done.
ripcord
(5,340 posts)I have noticed this new group of Congress people don't seem to take well to people criticising them.
murielm99
(30,733 posts)We don't need all this division
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)is more with Nancy than you think. We have to win the middle if we want to win the Electoral College and beat trump.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)The legislation that all Dems are working on is for today and the future. Fresh ideas are needed but the new Dems cant do it alone.
There is nothing inherently special about young politicos. There are always younger people coming along. It takes a majority in the House and Senate to pass the bills young Dems want. Also it takes a Dem President to sign them. It takes young and old working together to bring about a progressive agenda.
Fla Dem
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Republicans would love to see nothing less than a divided Dem caucus so they can conquer. That's one thing about the Rethugs, they stayed united during Obama's administration and blocked him at every point. Rand Paul and Cruz were the most outspoken, but even they came around.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)And to accuse the Dems of such is way out of line.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Just curious.
Magoo48
(4,705 posts)This is certainly not the stance which will inspire the American people. How about some support for those courageous enough to take strong positions? Instead of the Party demanding everyone embrace their slow-walk, how about they embrace those leading the charge for change?
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Then you'll change your mind about Nancy.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Zoonart
(11,849 posts)Republicans fall in line.
Mark Twain said that a lie can circle the globe before a man can put his pants on. In today's social media culture, that time can be reduced to the second it takes to form a thought bubble.
The line has to be drawn somewhere, because we keep giving the MAGAts amunition.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Don't tweet? We finally have someone who knows how to use social media effectively and the answer to our problems is don't tweet?
Btw, this all got out of hand because Pelosi had a complaint and she talked to Maureen fricking Dowd about it, who did what she does and used Pelosi to make Democrats look bad. So excuse AOC for tweeting in self-defense. Next time, I guess she can just wait for MoDo to call.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Tweet about your issues. You can even lament outcomes you didn't support or like. But don't target your complaints towards specific democrats or internal democratic caucuses.
And honestly, right now, it's time for "more honey than vinegar". I.e. it is the time to be winning over conservative democrats, or at the very least increasing the popularity of your positions with the electorate so that the conservative democrats are swayed by their own constituents to move towards your positions.
No speaker ever likes particularly active or independent first term congressional members. Alternately, the list of speakers that ignored them at their own peril is long. Some day she'll need them and she'll need a basis for engaging them. Personally I think that day is more distant than it is near. But I could be wrong.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)To Maureen Dowd of the NYT no less. The honey/vinegar ratio got out of whack right there.
And she's taking ZERO responsibility; she doesn't do regrets, ya know.
The rookies aren't blameless but she's the Leader.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I think the thing that sparked the current exchange was over the compromise bill with the senate. That was a bridge too far for many and those that voted for it were feeling out on a limb and didn't wanna hear anything. I did find the whole "come talk to me" statement interesting. I do wonder just how "close" to Pelosi a first termer can get or whether that gets staffed out pretty quickly.
George II
(67,782 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I couldn't have said it better other than to add that sometimes we seem hellbent on alienating young progressives.
eilen
(4,950 posts)on Twitter, name-calling etc. I would say the alienation was on the progressive end. If they were not so willing to throw their fellow Democrats under the bus, maybe they might get other reps to vote with them.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Sometimes, when they vote for the wrong reasons, they need to be called out.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Great example of dinosaurs not knowing where or how the battle is now being fought.
They fundamentally do not get that they cannot control all the channels of communication, that there are new ways to communicate and win vs the centralized power "authority" of old. That these ways are just if not more important than "strongly worded letters", etc.
Did they learn nothing from trump in terms of how the dynamics have changed? That there are multiple battlefronts and things move at 200x faster speeds? Stunning....
And no, this is not about "staying on message" etc, and especially about "winning". It's about power and control.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)The power of open communication is real, even if we think it's a steaming pile coming from him. The way they see it, he cares enough about his base to communicate freely with them. That's filling a human need, not a Republican need. AOC doesn't have 4.8 million followers because she's sending out rote statements.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)trump - by accident found that crowd surfing, real time A/B testing, and social media change everything.
It's changed the way the world works and perceives....
Think of EVERY "institution" that used to centrally control info and authority:
* Sports - now we have scandals, doping, protests etc - live or die by social media
* Religion - abuse, exposed - cannot cover it all up easily
* Politics - whole new level of information - immediate info for research (and fake news) no getting away (internet memory is forever) etc
* Medical - distrust - what do you do before and after a doc visit? Google it
And on, and on and on. The game is DIFFERENT. Things can be researched (yes good and bad), movements created (metoo, etc), you can't get away with the soundbite on the news that disappears. You don't have to go to microfilm to find out what happened 2 years ago. It's instantaneous and moves super fast.
That is why there is so much distrust and confusion of the state of things. Everything is in question and we have to learn how to figure it all out and make use of it. Because it's not going away.
Not saying some of the old things we'ren't good - but they HAVE to get that the battle ground has changed and make effective use of it.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)I pivoted to conference organizing in order to stave off the reaper. No one's job gets to stay the same forever in American capitalism.
Change has been much slower to come to government but their cheese is getting moved too. Even with the extra layers of protection such as safe seats and strict seniority rules. Ain't no stopping it. You don't threaten people who are good at the new rules into submission for long.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)oldschool too..
But I love how AOC is able to run rings around most of them.
The one constant thing I guess is change.
And I've seen it again and again how people resist it and the cost.
And I've also seen moving too fast - it's a balance but we're WAY over on one way.
Thing is now we have almost no time left to avert global catastrophe re climate change.
And then I see a lot of people who just want a "not trump" and some kind of soothing "back to obama" era ...sigh...
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)your comments here. I agree completely with your points listed. Well said.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... making "effective use" of social media? I'd say no.
eilen
(4,950 posts)Trump has figured it out. It's not rocket science. Other statesmen prefer to remain dignified.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... tweet, you are way off in your assessment. That is not how the battle is fought and the fight is not against the dems.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)It's a different world today and the younger generations have no problem speaking their minds and calling a spade a spade. They grew up in a world of social media and know how to use it. That actually is an advantage we should cultivate, not discourage.
Raven123
(4,828 posts)If you have a gripe, take it up with the person(s) who concern you. The problem with battling tweets is multiple. 1) i think it more difficult to clear up conflict without a robust dialogue, and you can get a more candid and thorough back and forth face to face. 2) Any and every social media post runs the risk of misappropriation by nefarious actors. I am not against social media use, just desiring judicious employment of this platform. 3j Why air out our disagreements on social media? I am just not sure of the upside.Perhaps if you cant resolve issues, I can understand it.
Just my opinion.
brush
(53,764 posts)well that's a tad harder.
Also more adultish, if that's a word. Be a man or a woman and inititate a face-to-face dialogue instead of sharing Dem dirty laundry with the world.
Why do grown people even have to be told that?
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)communicate. Face-to-face talking is becoming a thing of the past. Watch younger people with their cell phones, they aren't calling each other, they're texting, they're on facebook or twitter or instagram or snapchat or some other platform. No one is using their voice to communicate.
Supporting McConnell's Senate version of emergency funding was a really hard call for a lot of Dems. They wanted to do something about the plight of these immigrants and children, but they didn't want to give the Trump administration carte blanche. The message coming out of the vote could easily have been that in the interest expediency and compassion, the House accepted the Senate bill with its lack of accountability and understood that some members chose to take a vote on principle.
McConnell must still be laughing at getting Dems to fight among themselves.
brush
(53,764 posts)Time to become actual adults and learn to form alliances with others, power blocks. That ain't gonna happen with tweets. You might actual have to get up, put the phone down and walk to someone's office. Or go to lunch with them.
They're in the big leagues now. Get smarter.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Don't air your dirty laundry in public. This was a basic tenet of polite society. I think with advent of cell phones this basic rule died a quiet death. I gave heard people argue, back bite, curse and generally air their drama while on their cell phone in a public space. Couple this with the fact that it IS easier to confront or insult someone when not face to face and you get a generation of people that never learned or practiced "Don't air your dirty laundry in public.".
Speaker Pelosi is right and she must set the example as the leader. She must also be accessible and fair handed so as to encourage House members to come talk to her, especially for the newest Representatives who may be intimidated by the greatness that is Speajer Pelosi. She's a rock star even why you may disagree with her. For their part, the Representatives need to trust their leader, follow her example in this area and respect Speaker Pelosi's experience and achievements.
brush
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them face-to-face instead taking the lack-of-courage way to blast someone on twitter and to the world.
Act like a grown up, you're in the big league now. Social media can be useful but airing Dem dirty laundry? No.
eilen
(4,950 posts)at your job and instead of talking about it, you went on social media-- Twitter and LinkedIn and said those kinds of things. You certainly won't find yourself with good work assignments, important projects, greater responsibilities. Why do young people do this? Because they are immature, self-centered and socially and professionally inexperienced.
I think that is what is called a pink slip expressway.
brush
(53,764 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)And please Nancy, glass houses. Just because Twitter is foreign to you, you also throw back your own disrespectful barbs at the progressive wing, AOC and others using traditional media. Calling them insignificant and they should shut up etc... It goes both ways.
Maybe Nancy should realize she needs to listen instead of threats to shut out the new voices.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Auggie
(31,163 posts)Gothmog
(145,129 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Cha
(297,137 posts)follow Nancy's sage advice?
Nancy would l like to win the House in 2020, too.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)It's more than a little hypocritical for Pelosi to aim a remark at AOC and her colleagues in an interview, and then get upset when AOC pushes back on Twitter. Pelosi took a shot in public, and then doesn't care for it when the fire is returned in like fashion? I see what she's saying, but practice what you preach, you know? Whether AOC "deserved" the remark isn't relevant to me.
That said, I do agree that Democrats in Congress (and elsewhere) ought to be mindful of what goes out under their name on social media. Disagreements are fine, provided that they're handled in a mature and respectful way within the party. The out-in-public battles do nothing to help us and everything to make it easier for the usual suspects to harp about Democrats being "in chaos."
I feel like everyone involved here needs to take a deep breath, let bygones be bygones, and resolve to go forward in a better way, with the understanding that the same expectations apply to everyone, from freshman Congressperson to Speaker of the House.
ripcord
(5,340 posts)No class.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)I was referring more to Pelosi's "whatever" remark directed at AOC and her colleagues, and AOC's response on Twitter.
Hopefully this gets sorted out and grievances between Democrats will be discussed privately, rather than splashed across social and traditional media for the world to gawk at.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I didn't read "don't twitter". I read ".. do not tweet about our members.." That's an infringement on First Amendment rights? Come on....that's bull shit. You all realize EVERYTHING that politicians say, write, tweet is scarfed up and can be used in a political pot shot later down the line. I hate it when the repuKKKes quote some progressive or some other Democrat that criticizes another Democrat. It does make us look weak, especially to their mentally starved masses.
I'm not a huge fan of Twitter, but if we're going to use it, and we should...then let's use it smart. You got a problem with Democrats....then what is accomplished by feeding it to the repuKKKe propaganda machine. Another example of circular firing squad...something Democrats are especially good at.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)and I agree with your assessment
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)If infighting absolutely has to happen, keep it behind closed doors. Airing dirty laundry in public is not wise or productive.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)for her own ill-advised comments in the NYT which elicited the worst of the return fire in the first place.
LiberalFighter
(50,886 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)if they truly have an issue with someone or a vote. Dem representatives can literally walk across the chamber and speak with someone.
I get that people like to Tweet. And I also understand how people use Twitter to draw attention. It seems like a poor way to influence someone. It would be a big turnoff for me if a colleague were tweeting to put pressure on me.
Social media is garbage mostly.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)Someone on the other side should tell the president how harmful his tweets are.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Oh, I forgot, "he's not worth it". And of course why talk about Trump being accused of rape, when she can be "stern" to AOC and the other three members of her own caucus.
Demoralizing.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)However.... I think she may be misreading where things stand. Do we go after centrists or progressives? I lean toward keeping the liberal Millennials engaged, so they show up in droves. If we do that most College educated white women will go along.
We are at a dangerous place right now, we need all three branches ASAP.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)keep it in house. Same goes with any team-mates, work-partners. Talking out of school, is not a good thing, unless you're looking to crash and burn, and take some bodies with you.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)on the wisdom of a centrist position? I'm going all in in 2020. Imo, we need a message that will appeal to voters 40 and below. What's Biden's plan for our future, or the Congressional majority. Give them a vision, why should they get involved?
(ICQ is still running? Is it a troll village or a good mix? Hello, anyone listening? snark)
PSPS
(13,590 posts)mcar
(42,301 posts)Take complaints to leadership. Don't act like Dotard.
Harddaysknight
(4 posts)If it takes a "Firebrand" to drag us into the light,then so be it.
Is it that the old guard sees the immense popularity of AOC and others that actually believe that we as Democrats should stand in stark contrast to the Republicans,instead of conveying that old middle of the road centrist nonsense.Isn't this what lost us the last election?No offense here,but isn't the same thing happening all over again,where we are being told we need a popular centrist name as our standard bearer,and losing the youth vote in the process?
If I was forced to choose between The Speaker,and AOC,I'd choose AOC all day long.I suppose the muzzling of the vocal firebrands is exactly what this is all about?
There is a reason these new people are so very popular.Maybe we should take note,and embrace them,instead of appearing to be punishing them.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... the "child abuse caucus" seems a bit self destructive. Not sure how that's going to do anything to bring in the youth vote. This is exactly the sort of nasty rhetoric that turns young folks off. Doesn't strike me as being embraceable at all.
Harddaysknight
(4 posts)I'm sorry that I don't understand the "child abuse caucus" reference reACTIONary.In any event,if we are going to be the progressive party,maybe we should try to actually progress.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)down with Pelosi then I can't imagine their contemporaries are either. That's a whole lot of people.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)it's time to pass the baton already, well PAST time
Cha
(297,137 posts)wants to Win the House Again in 2020.. like she helped do the last time with the BLUEWAVE when at least 40 Red Seats were Flipped to BLUE.
Link to tweet
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What "Punishment?"
AOC says in January that she "give zero f*cks" what people say about her confrontational style, and Pelosi makes a single comment in a dismissive about how twitter followers don't give anyone an extra vote on the floor, and AOC hits the roof, bashing Pelosi on twitter.
I guess her skin has gotten much thinner since then. Way too thin to be Speaker.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you specify what you mean?
shanny
(6,709 posts)Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Popular politics exhibits extreme tribalism, slap downs, knee-jerk reactions, etc., all instantly published on social media. Why would we expect our political leaders not to be the same? AOC is riding high on a wave - why should she change?
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)Bayard
(22,057 posts)We get enough of that from The Oval Office Toadstool. People feel safe to say things they would otherwise not say in public.
Pelosi is absolutely right. We don't fight in public. Its divisive within the party, and gives the rethugs ammunition.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Why didnt Nancy confront Marc Pocan directly, like shes advocating, instead of complaining publicly to Maureen Dowd about four women who did not make the remark? Is newsprint any different than Twitter? They both will stay on the Internet forever.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Yes, that would have been much healthier than the choice she made.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you point out the "complaint?"
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)and continue to fight for US!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)In what way is Pelosi fighting "against" us?
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)We need a change of leadership.
killaphill
(212 posts)The younger generation doesn't want their thoughts filtered and censored. They are passionate, confrontational, and willing to call people out. I think we need more of them!
tavernier
(12,377 posts)Closed door meeting.
Oneironaut
(5,492 posts)They might not have the same opinions as her, but they will be like her - media savvy, open to talk to the press, unafraid to defend our partys core principles.
Nancy Pelosi is yesterdays Democrat. Its time to get new leadership.
cntrfthrs
(252 posts)and she will do NOTHING. AOC and her progressive sisters have a huge following among this countrys people of color...and her chiding these women like children is going to LOSE the votes these followers have...think about that...