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melman

(7,681 posts)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:32 PM Jun 2019

In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill Without House Conditions

Source: The New York Times

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed on Thursday to clear the Senate’s version of emergency humanitarian aid package for strapped federal agencies dealing with a migrant crisis, jettisoning the House’s strict controls on the $4.6 billion in a stinging defeat that was ensured by Democratic disunity.

The change was a striking display of disarray and an unusual setback for Ms. Pelosi, who has been adept at navigating the political complexities of a caucus riven with powerful progressive and moderate factions that often work at cross purposes. On Thursday, their priorities clashed in spectacular fashion, and the speaker — who had put her reputation on the line, calling herself a “lioness” out to protect children as she held out for stronger protections in migrant facilities that house them — had to accept defeat.

“In order to get resources to the children fastest, we will reluctantly pass the Senate bill,” Ms. Pelosi said in a letter to Democratic lawmakers. “As we pass the Senate bill, we will do so with a Battle Cry as to how we go forward to protect children in a way that truly honors their dignity and worth.”

Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would voluntarily abide by some of the restrictions she had sought, including notifying lawmakers within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in government custody, and placing a 90-day time limit on children spending time in temporary intake facilities, according to a person familiar with the discussions.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html

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In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill Without House Conditions (Original Post) melman Jun 2019 OP
'defeat that was ensured by Democratic disunity.' elleng Jun 2019 #1
"A last-minute revolt by centrist lawmakers ensured defeat" melman Jun 2019 #3
This sucks. Mitch wins again. dem4decades Jun 2019 #15
yes, so we probably should all get out and vote in 2020 qazplm135 Jun 2019 #18
Firstly, i live in a state with 2 great Senators, secondly, if i lived in Kentucky I'd move. dem4decades Jun 2019 #21
Kentucky is a beautiful state with ugly people... Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #92
Honestly I've never been there. But they sure voted for two assholes for the Senate. dem4decades Jun 2019 #93
Right. The geography of the state is amazing Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #94
Maybe she drinks a lot of bourbon. dem4decades Jun 2019 #95
Right! Probably by the gallons. Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #96
No. We must do more than vote duhneece Jun 2019 #107
Worked great in 2018, winning the House. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #108
framing is everything saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #2
It most certainly is the headline melman Jun 2019 #5
I stand corrected. Thank you saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #9
There are two links and two different headlines. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #84
I that headline says nothing at all about defeat! True Blue American Jun 2019 #51
Your link goes to the NYT website where there's a different headline. lapucelle Jun 2019 #68
. melman Jun 2019 #73
Your link was to a website, not a twitter feed. lapucelle Jun 2019 #74
That was the original headline melman Jun 2019 #75
Do you have a link to the story in the NYT with the headline you posted? lapucelle Jun 2019 #77
The link in your tweet is different than your OP. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #81
... sheshe2 Jun 2019 #86
'Defeat' IS in the NYT headline: In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill elleng Jun 2019 #7
Anything to make our House leader, the highest elected woman in US history, look bad. George II Jun 2019 #4
Facts sometimes are difficult to swallow. elleng Jun 2019 #10
She did a bad job here. They are highlighting that. OliverQ Jun 2019 #41
How did she do a bad job? She did all that could be done and more. George II Jun 2019 #42
She caved to McConnell. She should have refused to vote on the Senate bill. OliverQ Jun 2019 #44
Right - no beds, soap, or toothbrushes is better than some beds, soap, and toothbrushes. George II Jun 2019 #45
That would have worked, not! True Blue American Jun 2019 #53
The alternative to 'caving' was that no aid for those kids whatsoever got to them. ehrnst Jun 2019 #46
I will take my speaker and her humanity any day. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #64
They're still going to be in filth and darkness. OliverQ Jun 2019 #65
We have to take the chance that it will help. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #66
Yes we do. Stop bowing down to terrorists like Mitch McConnell. OliverQ Jun 2019 #69
How do you know that? nt sheshe2 Jun 2019 #83
Exactly. This aid will never reach the kids Bettie Jun 2019 #87
that's why elections matter. everyone who claims Democrats are just as bad JI7 Jun 2019 #90
+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #97
Great idea! Glad you weren't calling the shots. redstateblues Jun 2019 #71
Excuse Nancy.. she was thinking More of Cha Jun 2019 #102
And to think it was reposted here! This is disgusting. True Blue American Jun 2019 #52
Okay,the bottom line is Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #6
Arizona LogicFirst Jun 2019 #33
Wow! Just wow! How about "In a show of Phoenix61 Jun 2019 #8
Indeed.. the senate knew she would have no choice! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #12
+1000 sheshe2 Jun 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jun 2019 #14
"Humanity" doesn't promote the so-called revolution or help to destroy the Demcratic Party.... George II Jun 2019 #16
+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #98
Some prefer to use the sufferings of the non-documented people as political fodder, while still_one Jun 2019 #25
Oh so true! Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #35
+1 betsuni Jun 2019 #99
+1 DashOneBravo Jun 2019 #29
+1000! mcar Jun 2019 #38
1000+ True Blue American Jun 2019 #54
The Senate Republicans had a hot hand, and they knew it. kwassa Jun 2019 #11
McTurtle is a McTraitor. rickyhall Jun 2019 #43
This is surprising given all the talk of the powerful pelosi Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #17
Even more surprising is that some of the Democrats who didn't go with Pelosi are urging.... George II Jun 2019 #22
The Hispanic caucus watoos Jun 2019 #27
How many Democratic senators voted for McConnell's bill? mcar Jun 2019 #39
Exactly. George II Jun 2019 #40
this does not surprise, and there might be a lesson .. stopdiggin Jun 2019 #19
Fn Trump propped this all up on the narrative about the Dems this and Dems that right after... Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #20
So maybe there was some quid pro quo? Marthe48 Jun 2019 #23
Disgusting... budkin Jun 2019 #24
Do we have a majority in the Senate? You need both houses to pass this still_one Jun 2019 #26
That's where the problem began, watoos Jun 2019 #28
You won't get an argument from me on that watoos, but what could the House do when McConnel refuses still_one Jun 2019 #32
What would happen to those kids without a bill that passed the Senate? ehrnst Jun 2019 #50
So do they. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #31
The nation doesn't matter unless it translates into electoral votes happyaccident Jun 2019 #36
One would think we could win with the whole helping children angle. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #79
"Acquiesce on everything?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #60
I'm not cool with snatching defeat from victory and cheering. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #78
Why don't you tell us what the "victory" was that 'defeat' was "snatched from?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Jun 2019 #30
so, 4.6 billion more for the tRump wall, great teamwork!!! nt yaesu Jun 2019 #34
Those kids will get some more aid than they have... How awful! What a failure! ehrnst Jun 2019 #48
Anytime the score is 2 to 1, the 1 is defeated. LogicFirst Jun 2019 #37
But that's not relevant !! She TOTALLY should have told Mitch to fuck off, and let those kids ehrnst Jun 2019 #49
I guess getting those kids food and shelter was way less important than a political ehrnst Jun 2019 #47
Bottom line Kids won! True Blue American Jun 2019 #55
We shall see. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #59
It was passed. True Blue American Jun 2019 #61
Yes I know. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #63
So am I. Pelosi is a much bigger person than McConnell. True Blue American Jun 2019 #70
Is there any evidence that the Senate Bill requires improved Humanist_Activist Jun 2019 #57
"In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill Without House Conditions." LenaBaby61 Jun 2019 #88
We had better start getting our sh't together NOW. democratisphere Jun 2019 #56
What was the alternative? ehrnst Jun 2019 #67
This is not good. nt Hotler Jun 2019 #58
What was the alternative? ehrnst Jun 2019 #62
Thank you! True Blue American Jun 2019 #72
The alternative was requiring that Sen Mitch McConnell put several of the bills already NewDayOranges Jun 2019 #76
Dems need the Senate!! aeromanKC Jun 2019 #80
Hope this is not a preview of kacekwl Jun 2019 #82
Seriously? Nancy Pelosi believes this? Bettie Jun 2019 #85
"Private assurances" from Mike Pence - Jesus FUCKING CHRIST hatrack Jun 2019 #89
When has anyone involved in this current administration or Senate ever once told the truth? LenaBaby61 Jun 2019 #91
Don't Trust Pence. NT Progressive Jones Jun 2019 #100
Kick dalton99a Jun 2019 #101
She really is a fighter! RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #103
She is. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #104
What's your point, the Democratic Leader of the House shouldn't be seen.... George II Jun 2019 #106
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
3. "A last-minute revolt by centrist lawmakers ensured defeat"
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jun 2019

A last-minute revolt by centrist lawmakers ensured defeat for Ms. Pelosi’s efforts to toughen the conditions in the Senate’s $4.6 billion bill. The moderate Democrats balked at a funding reduction for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, leaving the House floor in chaos and emotions running high. Ms. Pelosi had little choice but to accept the less restrictive Senate bill, which had passed on a lopsided bipartisan vote this week and would do far less to rein in President Trump’s immigration crackdown.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html

dem4decades

(11,241 posts)
21. Firstly, i live in a state with 2 great Senators, secondly, if i lived in Kentucky I'd move.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jun 2019

Kentucky votes that asshole in so i guess the majority of people in Kentucky are assholes. And i'm not saying that there aren't good people in Kentucky, they are just outnumbered.

Buckeyeblue

(5,491 posts)
94. Right. The geography of the state is amazing
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jun 2019

But you look at what the people in the state stand for. They are pure ugly. Just look at McConnell. Not only are his policies ugly but has there been a more unattractive person in politics? His wife must not see well.

duhneece

(4,104 posts)
107. No. We must do more than vote
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jun 2019

We need to volunteer to work knocking at doors, asking every friend-family-acquaintance-neighbor to vote for Democrats. Some of us can donate, Ron for office...

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
2. framing is everything
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jun 2019

"In Defeat" is not the Times headline. Why did you choose to present the story with a negative portrayal of Speaker Pelosi?

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
51. I that headline says nothing at all about defeat!
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jun 2019

Pelosi had to compromise to get the funding and she did!

Shame on that headline.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
74. Your link was to a website, not a twitter feed.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:46 PM
Jun 2019

And then you took a screenshot of the tweet rather than directly post it.

It may be a good idea to fix the link in the OP to accurately reflect the headline you attributed.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
75. That was the original headline
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jun 2019

As the NY Times tweet definitively proves. The screenshot came from the Times.






sheshe2

(83,320 posts)
81. The link in your tweet is different than your OP.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jun 2019

Two different headlines. Would you explain why that is as I am unable to read the entire article as it is behind a paywall.

Weird two different links and two different headlines.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
7. 'Defeat' IS in the NYT headline: In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jun 2019

Without House Conditions.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. The alternative to 'caving' was that no aid for those kids whatsoever got to them.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:55 PM
Jun 2019

I guess Pelosi doesn't like using the welfare of abused kids as political chips for a win!

How awful.

sheshe2

(83,320 posts)
64. I will take my speaker and her humanity any day.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:28 PM
Jun 2019

She is trying to save some children's lives. The children are being taken care of by children. They are all living in filth. Yes, she should have just let it go as the House and Senate merrily fly off to enjoy the Independence Day vacation and leave the children alone in darkness.

Great idea!

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
65. They're still going to be in filth and darkness.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jun 2019

You really think Republicans are going to use this money to help children, much less quickly? They don't care.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
69. Yes we do. Stop bowing down to terrorists like Mitch McConnell.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:36 PM
Jun 2019

If you keep caving to him, he'll keep doing evil things to get Dems to give him anything he wants. You benefit nobody that way.

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
87. Exactly. This aid will never reach the kids
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jun 2019

but the people who own the contracting companies will get a nice bonus. I'm betting Old Mitch is getting a nice "campaign contribution" out of it too!

JI7

(89,172 posts)
90. that's why elections matter. everyone who claims Democrats are just as bad
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jun 2019

no difference and other shit are scumbags.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
52. And to think it was reposted here! This is disgusting.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:14 PM
Jun 2019

The money has now been approved by someone who compromised with a nasty old man!

Why not a headline that says, Bill passes so those children cab have decent health and Hygiene?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Okay,the bottom line is
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jun 2019

for all those who stayed home or voted for some chock-O-mamey POS third Party Candidate or single issue Senate Candidate,you are seeing in real time how every vote counts.

LogicFirst

(571 posts)
33. Arizona
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jun 2019

will never send any democrats as delegates to the electoral college, no matter how early and how often I vote. This state is a lost cause.

Phoenix61

(16,950 posts)
8. Wow! Just wow! How about "In a show of
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jun 2019

humanity Pelosi passes legislation that will help children.”

Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
12. Indeed.. the senate knew she would have no choice!
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:48 PM
Jun 2019

As far as pence reassurances... that will never happen.. he is as vile as the rest of them

Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #8)

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. "Humanity" doesn't promote the so-called revolution or help to destroy the Demcratic Party....
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jun 2019

....but "in defeat" tends to do both.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
25. Some prefer to use the sufferings of the non-documented people as political fodder, while
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jun 2019

others prefer to at least get some help to them to try to ease some of the suffering

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
11. The Senate Republicans had a hot hand, and they knew it.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:47 PM
Jun 2019

There is incredible pressure to get something passed now, and there is no time for negotiations. McConnell knew this, and knew that the progressives in the House, as few as they are, can't stop the momentum on this.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
43. McTurtle is a McTraitor.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jun 2019

I'm not happy with corporate media. As many times as Trump insulted the NYT and they still help him - go figure!

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Even more surprising is that some of the Democrats who didn't go with Pelosi are urging....
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jun 2019

....primaries next year against Democrats who didn't go with Pelosi.

Thanks to them, we're stuck with a McConnell humanitarian aid bill. Democrats back in the district, particularly those districts with a high % of Hispanic constituents, are going to speak out if those Democrats are brave enough to show up over the 4th of July holiday.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
27. The Hispanic caucus
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jun 2019

recommended a no vote.

Speaker Pelosi could have tried to offer up amendments to the Senate bill but I doubt that Mitch would budge.

I don't blame Pelosi as much as I blame Schumer. He agreed to a McConnell/Trump Bill that was drawn up with no Democratic input. The Senate Democrats basically went along with a Trump border bill.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
39. How many Democratic senators voted for McConnell's bill?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jun 2019

Why do they get a pass here? Just another DU and media opportunity to bash our woman speaker.

stopdiggin

(11,089 posts)
19. this does not surprise, and there might be a lesson ..
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jun 2019

And as we keep being reminded, a significant portion of the party aren't exactly in the same place as the progressive wing. Quoting the article: "The moderate Democrats balked at a funding reduction for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, leaving the House floor in chaos and emotions running high. Ms. Pelosi had little choice but to accept .." I'm not sure why the Speaker didn't see this coming. Defunding ICE? Maybe not great messaging there. Do I wish that Pelosi had won this one? Sure do. But .. you play the hand you're dealt. That's the way this one played out. (and there might be a lesson in there)

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
20. Fn Trump propped this all up on the narrative about the Dems this and Dems that right after...
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jun 2019

Pelosi called him to call off the immigrant sweeps.

Never saw anything in the media prominently challenging that narrative

Marthe48

(16,689 posts)
23. So maybe there was some quid pro quo?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jun 2019

A**hole said he'd call off ruining lives, Madame Speaker believes him, accepts the Senate version. If there was, I bet trump reneges.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
28. That's where the problem began,
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jun 2019

I blame Schumer more than Pelosi for not putting up much of a fight. I think the Bill passed the Senate with only 8 no votes.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
32. You won't get an argument from me on that watoos, but what could the House do when McConnel refuses
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

to bring the House version of the bill before the Senate?

Isn't it damn if you do, and damn if you don't, except in one case, some of the suffering non-documented people, might get some relief


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
50. What would happen to those kids without a bill that passed the Senate?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:07 PM
Jun 2019

Care to elaborate?

Do those kids matter at all in this "fight?" If not, what is the point of even 'fighting?"

Gore1FL

(21,027 posts)
31. So do they.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jun 2019

Why is the Democrats who must always acquiesce on everything despite having a majority in on chamber, and a majority in the nation?
 

happyaccident

(136 posts)
36. The nation doesn't matter unless it translates into electoral votes
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jun 2019

Having control of one chamber only works if the other chamber acts in good faith. democrats compromise because they have compassion and want government to work. In regard to your name, I always found the florida courts language strange when they stopped counting votes."...because to do so would harm mr. bush..." That election was the first time I started really distrusting the election process.

Gore1FL

(21,027 posts)
79. One would think we could win with the whole helping children angle.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jun 2019

but the republicans are scary. We must bow to their might.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
60. "Acquiesce on everything?"
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jun 2019

What was the alternative for those kids?

Nothing whatsoever changing? That was supposed to be some kind of "victory" for a party that claims to care about what happens to them?

What a "loss."

As a parent I find that kind of definition of a "loss" horrifying.

I certainly wish more people did. Especially Democrats.



But do tell us - what other 'instances' has the new Demcratic House committed in the less than six month's they've had the house.

Can you put your money where your mouth is, and give us a list of "everything?" You really do have lots of problem with Democratic leaders, don't you?

Pelosi, DWS and HRC seem to top your list of complaints, even when the complaints aren't based in fact. Seems like a recurring theme in some of your posts.

Gore1FL

(21,027 posts)
78. I'm not cool with snatching defeat from victory and cheering.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:14 PM
Jun 2019

YMMV

Quit fighting 2016 and quit bringing half-references to engage in arguments from other threads and other forums.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
105. Why don't you tell us what the "victory" was that 'defeat' was "snatched from?"
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:14 AM
Jun 2019

Nobody who is wringing their hands about this "defeat" has been able to explain what the "victorious" option was that apparently was available.

Why is that, you think?




Response to melman (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Those kids will get some more aid than they have... How awful! What a failure!
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jun 2019

Instead of languishing with no change, they will get some help.

But that's a failure, because a political 'victory' would have been more KICK ASS, Dammit!

Maybe if you're not a parent, it is.

LogicFirst

(571 posts)
37. Anytime the score is 2 to 1, the 1 is defeated.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jun 2019

The House has one vote; the Senate has one vote; Trump has a veto pen. Senate plus Trump equals 2. House equals 1. The House will always lose until the Senate is 60% democrats. How about this headline? Pelosi gets a little of what she wants for migrant children while COMPROMISING with McConnell.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. But that's not relevant !! She TOTALLY should have told Mitch to fuck off, and let those kids
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jun 2019

continue the way they were, and then still called Democrats the real champion of those kids, and the GOP the neglectful ones.



Isn't that what the GOP does? Using the health and welfare those who are the most at risk as political bargaining chips?

SMH that we hear that kind of thing here.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
47. I guess getting those kids food and shelter was way less important than a political
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jun 2019

"victory" that left them in the same condition.

How 'weak' of her.

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
59. We shall see.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jun 2019

We had to pass this bill on the chance that money will be used properly to care for the children. I’m skeptical that will happen.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
70. So am I. Pelosi is a much bigger person than McConnell.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jun 2019

She shows that every day in every way. The Senate needs a woman Leader,too. They get things done. Put a woman in the WhiteHouse, too and watch the fur fly.

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
88. "In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill Without House Conditions."
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:06 PM
Jun 2019
Is there any evidence that the Senate Bill requires improved Conditions? What guarantees are there?


Something tells me that we'll be sitting here in the not too distant future saying "OMFG, those kids didn't get the money that was promised, because they're still in squalor, have no soap/toiletries/basic necessities AND are still eating frozen Burritos for dinner."

Wouldn't shock me.

Dems almost always end up losing big-time in "Alley knife fights" to thuglicans because Dems unfortunately bring marshmallows and chocolate to that Alley knife fight.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
67. What was the alternative?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019

Tell Mitch to go fuck himself, and those kids don't get any change in the situation whatsoever?

That's what's f'ing ridiculous - expecting to be called the party that cares about those kids, but end up pissing any chance to help them down the drain so that some people can say that we "won" by telling Mitch to fuck off? When Mitch would lick his chops at the opportunity to say that Democrats threw those kids under the bus just to spite him?



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
62. What was the alternative?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jun 2019

Letting the kids stay in the same situation?

And keep calling ourselves the Party that actually cares about kids?

NewDayOranges

(691 posts)
76. The alternative was requiring that Sen Mitch McConnell put several of the bills already
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jun 2019

passed by Congress on the floor of the Senate for a vote!

That was the alternative!

What is the point of voting for Dems if they are still just going to lie down like doormats?!?! I'm pissed!

aeromanKC

(3,307 posts)
80. Dems need the Senate!!
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jun 2019

It is more important than ever to GOTV the F out of 2020 and not only defeat Trump, but to also take back the Senate!!!

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
85. Seriously? Nancy Pelosi believes this?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jun 2019

Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would voluntarily abide by some of the restrictions she had sought, including notifying lawmakers within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in government custody, and placing a 90-day time limit on children spending time in temporary intake facilities, according to a person familiar with the discussions.


When has anyone involved in this current administration or Senate ever once told the truth?

If no one is ever going to cross Mitch McConnell, then they should just say so. Having false hope is worse than none at all.

hatrack

(59,439 posts)
89. "Private assurances" from Mike Pence - Jesus FUCKING CHRIST
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:14 PM
Jun 2019

Just fucking stop it, Nancy, just stop it.

Yes, because the Christian Fascist VP is so fucking trustworthy.

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
91. When has anyone involved in this current administration or Senate ever once told the truth?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jun 2019
STILL waiting for that to happen 👆🏻👆🏻

I actually lost SEVERAL long-time friendships with folks who actually fixed their mouths to tell me that I was being too negative and not thinking positively about Americans holding onto our health care. I asked these friends if they actually believe that tRump and thuglicans won't go after the ACA again, and that was before this last most recent time that fatso SAID he was going to get rid of it for GOOD. Not that he has a plan for anything but how to destroy this country. Push racism. Be a sexual predator/alleged rapists. Greedy asshole and all of the negative things he IS. thuglicans don't have a replacement for the ACA. They never have. Yet friends came at me and actually told me that I was being too negative and not thinking positively about us citizens holding onto our health care with pre-existing conditions, and children to the age of 26 staying on their parents health insurance.

I HAD to cut those Polly Anna's loose. I don't need them in my life being WEAK ASSES.

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
104. She is.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:30 AM
Jun 2019

I like the fact that she doesn’t use children as a political football. She did what she had to do, which was pass the Senate bill.

George II

(67,782 posts)
106. What's your point, the Democratic Leader of the House shouldn't be seen....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jun 2019

...standing next to the President at a public event? That's a cheap shot at Pelosi.

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