In Defeat, Pelosi Agrees to Pass Senate Border Bill Without House Conditions
Source: The New York Times
WASHINGTON Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed on Thursday to clear the Senates version of emergency humanitarian aid package for strapped federal agencies dealing with a migrant crisis, jettisoning the Houses strict controls on the $4.6 billion in a stinging defeat that was ensured by Democratic disunity.
The change was a striking display of disarray and an unusual setback for Ms. Pelosi, who has been adept at navigating the political complexities of a caucus riven with powerful progressive and moderate factions that often work at cross purposes. On Thursday, their priorities clashed in spectacular fashion, and the speaker who had put her reputation on the line, calling herself a lioness out to protect children as she held out for stronger protections in migrant facilities that house them had to accept defeat.
In order to get resources to the children fastest, we will reluctantly pass the Senate bill, Ms. Pelosi said in a letter to Democratic lawmakers. As we pass the Senate bill, we will do so with a Battle Cry as to how we go forward to protect children in a way that truly honors their dignity and worth.
Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would voluntarily abide by some of the restrictions she had sought, including notifying lawmakers within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in government custody, and placing a 90-day time limit on children spending time in temporary intake facilities, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html
elleng
(130,126 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)A last-minute revolt by centrist lawmakers ensured defeat for Ms. Pelosis efforts to toughen the conditions in the Senates $4.6 billion bill. The moderate Democrats balked at a funding reduction for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, leaving the House floor in chaos and emotions running high. Ms. Pelosi had little choice but to accept the less restrictive Senate bill, which had passed on a lopsided bipartisan vote this week and would do far less to rein in President Trumps immigration crackdown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)so we can win back the Senate.
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Kentucky votes that asshole in so i guess the majority of people in Kentucky are assholes. And i'm not saying that there aren't good people in Kentucky, they are just outnumbered.
Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)But you look at what the people in the state stand for. They are pure ugly. Just look at McConnell. Not only are his policies ugly but has there been a more unattractive person in politics? His wife must not see well.
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)duhneece
(4,104 posts)We need to volunteer to work knocking at doors, asking every friend-family-acquaintance-neighbor to vote for Democrats. Some of us can donate, Ron for office...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)"In Defeat" is not the Times headline. Why did you choose to present the story with a negative portrayal of Speaker Pelosi?
melman
(7,681 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)sheshe2
(83,320 posts)Follow the link in this tweet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Link to tweet
House Passes Senate Border Bill in Striking Defeat for Pelosi
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
I can't access the article, paywall. However the title is clear and I was able to copy it.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Pelosi had to compromise to get the funding and she did!
Shame on that headline.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)Do you have a link for the screenshot you posted?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/border-funding-immigration.html
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)And then you took a screenshot of the tweet rather than directly post it.
It may be a good idea to fix the link in the OP to accurately reflect the headline you attributed.
melman
(7,681 posts)As the NY Times tweet definitively proves. The screenshot came from the Times.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)sheshe2
(83,320 posts)Two different headlines. Would you explain why that is as I am unable to read the entire article as it is behind a paywall.
Weird two different links and two different headlines.
House Passes Senate Border Bill in Striking Defeat for Pelosi
elleng
(130,126 posts)Without House Conditions.
George II
(67,782 posts)elleng
(130,126 posts)NYT etc SHOULD so inform the public.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I guess Pelosi doesn't like using the welfare of abused kids as political chips for a win!
How awful.
sheshe2
(83,320 posts)She is trying to save some children's lives. The children are being taken care of by children. They are all living in filth. Yes, she should have just let it go as the House and Senate merrily fly off to enjoy the Independence Day vacation and leave the children alone in darkness.
Great idea!
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)You really think Republicans are going to use this money to help children, much less quickly? They don't care.
Turin_C3PO
(13,649 posts)It sucks but we had no choice.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)If you keep caving to him, he'll keep doing evil things to get Dems to give him anything he wants. You benefit nobody that way.
sheshe2
(83,320 posts)Bettie
(15,997 posts)but the people who own the contracting companies will get a nice bonus. I'm betting Old Mitch is getting a nice "campaign contribution" out of it too!
JI7
(89,172 posts)no difference and other shit are scumbags.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)the babies and kids.. than some fucking contest.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)The money has now been approved by someone who compromised with a nasty old man!
Why not a headline that says, Bill passes so those children cab have decent health and Hygiene?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)for all those who stayed home or voted for some chock-O-mamey POS third Party Candidate or single issue Senate Candidate,you are seeing in real time how every vote counts.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)will never send any democrats as delegates to the electoral college, no matter how early and how often I vote. This state is a lost cause.
Phoenix61
(16,950 posts)humanity Pelosi passes legislation that will help children.
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)As far as pence reassurances... that will never happen.. he is as vile as the rest of them
Thank you, Phoenix61.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....but "in defeat" tends to do both.
still_one
(91,937 posts)others prefer to at least get some help to them to try to ease some of the suffering
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)There is incredible pressure to get something passed now, and there is no time for negotiations. McConnell knew this, and knew that the progressives in the House, as few as they are, can't stop the momentum on this.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)I'm not happy with corporate media. As many times as Trump insulted the NYT and they still help him - go figure!
Fullduplexxx
(7,818 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....primaries next year against Democrats who didn't go with Pelosi.
Thanks to them, we're stuck with a McConnell humanitarian aid bill. Democrats back in the district, particularly those districts with a high % of Hispanic constituents, are going to speak out if those Democrats are brave enough to show up over the 4th of July holiday.
watoos
(7,142 posts)recommended a no vote.
Speaker Pelosi could have tried to offer up amendments to the Senate bill but I doubt that Mitch would budge.
I don't blame Pelosi as much as I blame Schumer. He agreed to a McConnell/Trump Bill that was drawn up with no Democratic input. The Senate Democrats basically went along with a Trump border bill.
mcar
(42,206 posts)Why do they get a pass here? Just another DU and media opportunity to bash our woman speaker.
stopdiggin
(11,089 posts)And as we keep being reminded, a significant portion of the party aren't exactly in the same place as the progressive wing. Quoting the article: "The moderate Democrats balked at a funding reduction for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, leaving the House floor in chaos and emotions running high. Ms. Pelosi had little choice but to accept .." I'm not sure why the Speaker didn't see this coming. Defunding ICE? Maybe not great messaging there. Do I wish that Pelosi had won this one? Sure do. But .. you play the hand you're dealt. That's the way this one played out. (and there might be a lesson in there)
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Pelosi called him to call off the immigrant sweeps.
Never saw anything in the media prominently challenging that narrative
Marthe48
(16,689 posts)A**hole said he'd call off ruining lives, Madame Speaker believes him, accepts the Senate version. If there was, I bet trump reneges.
budkin
(6,688 posts)Won't impeach but will cave to his plans... so afraid of Republican backlash...
still_one
(91,937 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)I blame Schumer more than Pelosi for not putting up much of a fight. I think the Bill passed the Senate with only 8 no votes.
still_one
(91,937 posts)to bring the House version of the bill before the Senate?
Isn't it damn if you do, and damn if you don't, except in one case, some of the suffering non-documented people, might get some relief
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Care to elaborate?
Do those kids matter at all in this "fight?" If not, what is the point of even 'fighting?"
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)Why is the Democrats who must always acquiesce on everything despite having a majority in on chamber, and a majority in the nation?
happyaccident
(136 posts)Having control of one chamber only works if the other chamber acts in good faith. democrats compromise because they have compassion and want government to work. In regard to your name, I always found the florida courts language strange when they stopped counting votes."...because to do so would harm mr. bush..." That election was the first time I started really distrusting the election process.
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)but the republicans are scary. We must bow to their might.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What was the alternative for those kids?
Nothing whatsoever changing? That was supposed to be some kind of "victory" for a party that claims to care about what happens to them?
What a "loss."
As a parent I find that kind of definition of a "loss" horrifying.
I certainly wish more people did. Especially Democrats.
But do tell us - what other 'instances' has the new Demcratic House committed in the less than six month's they've had the house.
Can you put your money where your mouth is, and give us a list of "everything?" You really do have lots of problem with Democratic leaders, don't you?
Pelosi, DWS and HRC seem to top your list of complaints, even when the complaints aren't based in fact. Seems like a recurring theme in some of your posts.
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)YMMV
Quit fighting 2016 and quit bringing half-references to engage in arguments from other threads and other forums.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Nobody who is wringing their hands about this "defeat" has been able to explain what the "victorious" option was that apparently was available.
Why is that, you think?
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yaesu
(8,020 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Instead of languishing with no change, they will get some help.
But that's a failure, because a political 'victory' would have been more KICK ASS, Dammit!
Maybe if you're not a parent, it is.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)The House has one vote; the Senate has one vote; Trump has a veto pen. Senate plus Trump equals 2. House equals 1. The House will always lose until the Senate is 60% democrats. How about this headline? Pelosi gets a little of what she wants for migrant children while COMPROMISING with McConnell.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)continue the way they were, and then still called Democrats the real champion of those kids, and the GOP the neglectful ones.
Isn't that what the GOP does? Using the health and welfare those who are the most at risk as political bargaining chips?
SMH that we hear that kind of thing here.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"victory" that left them in the same condition.
How 'weak' of her.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,649 posts)We had to pass this bill on the chance that money will be used properly to care for the children. Im skeptical that will happen.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,649 posts)And im glad it did.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)She shows that every day in every way. The Senate needs a woman Leader,too. They get things done. Put a woman in the WhiteHouse, too and watch the fur fly.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Conditions? What guarantees are there?
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Is there any evidence that the Senate Bill requires improved Conditions? What guarantees are there?
Something tells me that we'll be sitting here in the not too distant future saying "OMFG, those kids didn't get the money that was promised, because they're still in squalor, have no soap/toiletries/basic necessities AND are still eating frozen Burritos for dinner."
Wouldn't shock me.
Dems almost always end up losing big-time in "Alley knife fights" to thuglicans because Dems unfortunately bring marshmallows and chocolate to that Alley knife fight.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)This is f'ing ridiculous.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Tell Mitch to go fuck himself, and those kids don't get any change in the situation whatsoever?
That's what's f'ing ridiculous - expecting to be called the party that cares about those kids, but end up pissing any chance to help them down the drain so that some people can say that we "won" by telling Mitch to fuck off? When Mitch would lick his chops at the opportunity to say that Democrats threw those kids under the bus just to spite him?
Hotler
(11,353 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Letting the kids stay in the same situation?
And keep calling ourselves the Party that actually cares about kids?
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)NewDayOranges
(691 posts)passed by Congress on the floor of the Senate for a vote!
That was the alternative!
What is the point of voting for Dems if they are still just going to lie down like doormats?!?! I'm pissed!
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)It is more important than ever to GOTV the F out of 2020 and not only defeat Trump, but to also take back the Senate!!!
kacekwl
(6,993 posts)Democratic unity for 2020.
Bettie
(15,997 posts)Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would voluntarily abide by some of the restrictions she had sought, including notifying lawmakers within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in government custody, and placing a 90-day time limit on children spending time in temporary intake facilities, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
When has anyone involved in this current administration or Senate ever once told the truth?
If no one is ever going to cross Mitch McConnell, then they should just say so. Having false hope is worse than none at all.
hatrack
(59,439 posts)Just fucking stop it, Nancy, just stop it.
Yes, because the Christian Fascist VP is so fucking trustworthy.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)I actually lost SEVERAL long-time friendships with folks who actually fixed their mouths to tell me that I was being too negative and not thinking positively about Americans holding onto our health care. I asked these friends if they actually believe that tRump and thuglicans won't go after the ACA again, and that was before this last most recent time that fatso SAID he was going to get rid of it for GOOD. Not that he has a plan for anything but how to destroy this country. Push racism. Be a sexual predator/alleged rapists. Greedy asshole and all of the negative things he IS. thuglicans don't have a replacement for the ACA. They never have. Yet friends came at me and actually told me that I was being too negative and not thinking positively about us citizens holding onto our health care with pre-existing conditions, and children to the age of 26 staying on their parents health insurance.
I HAD to cut those Polly Anna's loose. I don't need them in my life being WEAK ASSES.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,206 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,649 posts)I like the fact that she doesnt use children as a political football. She did what she had to do, which was pass the Senate bill.
George II
(67,782 posts)...standing next to the President at a public event? That's a cheap shot at Pelosi.