Two Women Who Heard E. Jean Carroll's Account of Being Attacked by Trump Go Public

[DonViejo]

Source: The New York Times



By Daniel Victor
June 27, 2019

Two women in whom E. Jean Carroll confided about having allegedly been sexually attacked by Donald Trump in the 1990s spoke publicly about it for the first time in an interview excerpted on the New York Times podcast “The Daily,” describing the conflicting advice they gave their friend at the time.

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Both knew or had met Mr. Trump during that period: Ms. Birnbach had recently interviewed him at Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Palm Beach, Fla., while Ms. Martin had met him at her news station and had a friend who briefly dated him.

• When Ms. Carroll told the two women about the alleged attack, they had very different reactions: Ms. Birnbach said she told Ms. Carroll to call the police, while Ms. Martin told Ms. Carroll not to talk about it because Mr. Trump was too powerful. Ultimately, Ms. Carroll, thinking she was partially to blame for the encounter, remained silent about it for decades. “I said: Don’t tell anybody. I wouldn’t tell anybody this,” Ms. Martin said.

• Ms. Carroll eventually stopped believing that what happened to her was her fault, but she does not want to consider herself a victim and does not describe the incident as a rape.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault.html

[EndGOPPropaganda]

1. Too late NYT

Dean Baquet is badly mishandling The NY Times.

The NYT has run more frontpage stories about Weiner’s laptop than credible accusations against Trump of rape.

[Kid Berwyn]

7. Baquet does what the Owners want.

The Owners love money, especially above justice.

[Achilleaze]

2. The republican family-values role model* is a moral skank

Everyone agrees, except for the morally bankrupt & decadent GOP.


* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[Zoonart]

3. I understand t his entirely.

I hid my date rape, because I too thought I was somewhat responsible. I wasn't. I also, did not want to be thought of as a victim. I was.

I have tried to compartmentalize the event and think of it as a "learning experience" and a "hard lesson". I think that this is not unusual in the mindset of feminists of a certain era. The idea that some men are animals and we just have to deal with it and move on. Somehow this made us tough and self sufficient.

Owning our own orgasms also entailed owning our choices if they led us into dangerous situations with dangerous men.
We felt like we effed up and had to own it. Just another kind of internalized oppression.

No saying it is right, but I get it.

[yardwork]

9. Thank you for your courage in sharing your experience.

I hope that lots of people read your post. It's important and true.

[Zoonart]

10. Thanks for your support.

It really means a lot to me.

[Hugin]

4. "... and does not describe the incident as a rape." Whaaaat?

That sounds like someone putting words in someone else's press release.

[mopinko]

5. nope. she specifically rejects that word.

she refers to is as a fight.

[RobinA]

6. Or...

Maybe she should be able to look at in her own way. Why is one required to regard something that they experienced in the same way someone else might? I thought we were supposed to respect other people's thoughts about their own experience and not tell them the "right" way to think about them. Or does that just apply when what they think is the currently approved way to think?

You are saying that if she doesn't agree that she was raped, someone is obviously putting words in her mouth. How patronizing.

[Hugin]

8. Yeah... patronizing.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. K&R