House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday appeared to tap the brakes on impeachment discussions, arguing
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Source: Washington Post
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday appeared to tap the brakes on impeachment discussions, arguing in a letter to her colleagues that while Democrats would hold President Trump accountable following the release of special counsel Robert S. Mueller IIIs report, they could do so without initiating impeachment hearings.
The California Democrat, who is slated to address her caucus on a conference call Monday evening, vowed that Democratic investigators will scrupulously assert Congresss constitutional duty to honor our oath of office to support and defend the Constitution and our democracy by investigating the president.
Whether currently indictable or not, it is clear that the president has, at a minimum, engaged in highly unethical and unscrupulous behavior which does not bring honor to the office he holds, Pelosi wrote.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-says-democrats-can-hold-trump-accountable-without-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/22/68fce0c8-6514-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html?utm_term=.a1716c3e28d8
Shell_Seas
(3,332 posts)(I'm out of WaPo articles for the month, if it says)
But, wouldn't impeachment be the morally correct thing to do at this point? Even if we can't get Senate on board. Would it cost us election one way or the other?
samnsara
(17,615 posts)..by now everyone who even cares about this knows there is a risk we will lose the fight..but the election? I bet not.
delisen
(6,042 posts)riversedge
(70,186 posts)going to your History tab, pull down tab and click on Show all History, then find Washing Post and highlight it and then scroll down until you hit Forget About this (highlight and click).
You have to do this each time you hit the 10 free articles [or 5 or whatever]. good luck.
brooklynite
(94,499 posts)Gothmog
(145,124 posts)It is also clear that the congressional Republicans have an unlimited appetite for such low standards, she wrote. The GOP should be ashamed of what the Mueller report has revealed, instead of giving the president their blessings.
Pelosi also called on the GOP-controlled Senate to take up campaign finance legislation that passed the House earlier this year, which included sweeping ethics changes. On Sunday, the presidents legal team argued that it was acceptable for the Trump campaign to seek to benefit from Russias hacking of the Clinton campaign.
n light of the Presidents defenders arguing in defense of receiving and weaponizing stolen emails, we continue to press our Republican House counterparts to take up our pledge to refuse to use stolen, hacked, or falsified information in campaigns because the American people deserve honest debate, Pelosi wrote.
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)For example they could be afraid removing him from office so far from the elections could give Pence time to solidify his hold making it harder to win where as they view Trump as the weaker candidate.
The other reason is they could be planning to use Trump as a cudgel against the varies spineless and cowardly Repugnants currently in office that are trying to win another term.
manicdem
(388 posts)It's also possible that Pelosi thinks there aren't enough votes in the House which would be an embarrassment for the party if the vote fails
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)samnsara
(17,615 posts)..i dont care..
JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)No one knows political climate change and head counts better than her. She's not one to waste time & effort spinning wheels on anything.
agingdem
(7,843 posts)I want death by a thousand cuts...investigations, subpoenas, public testimony, SDNY...I want every rock (the home of Trump cockroaches) turned over...I want a roll call censure on the House floor..I want the Orange Anus to rant and rage and no one care...I want irrelevance...
Justice
(7,185 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Investigate these pigs to death. They are so corrupt, we will find MAGAts under every rock from now until 2020.
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)in the Senate and House.
By that I mean we ram through multiple judges just like they did and do things like increase SCOTUS and appoint liberal judges to it to offset what they did.
JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)Hard to claim martyrdom or a coup if his kids and that snot Jarrod pay for their crimes. That should be enough to bring on that first heart attack.
agingdem
(7,843 posts)trump's disgusting spawn don't get the degree to which the public hates their entitled guts...I want them spit on, publicly taunted..afraid to leave their lairs... I want them uninvited and unwelcome, I want mountains of subpoenas, millions and millions of dollars in legal bills, but more than anything I want them all handcuffed the instant they walk out of the White House...
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,527 posts)If only to start impeachment during the election cycle so it drives 45 absolutely bonkers with less time to multitask and sweep stuff under the rug.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)We must start formal impeachment investigation hearings now to get the truth out BEFORE the election.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)HuffPost sees her statement as a "nod to impeachers."
riversedge
(70,186 posts)misdeeds. She has said that previously. I have to agree. The public is not yet on board. I am impatient--she is right.
................She added: As we proceed to uncover the truth and present additional needed reforms to protect our democracy, we must show the American people we are proceeding free from passion or prejudice, strictly on the presentation of fact.
mcar
(42,300 posts)The public is not yet on board. We are impatient because we have immersed ourselves in it. Many haven't - yet, Dotards approval % is going down.
Open hearings, testimony under oath, document releases - as in Watergate, it will chip away at the Republican party's bubble and expose the corruption inside.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,570 posts)Now is not the time to tap the brakes, now is the time to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, which will allow Congress to avoid the court delays that help Trump run out the clock.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Neither does HuffPost:
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)She did not say the public is not on board for impeachment. 58% of Americans just polled by Reuters believe Trump obstructed justice. 40% support impeachment. That's twice as many as supported impeachment when Democrats started impeachment investigation hearings against Nixon.
man4allcats
(4,026 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)but the Dem leadership better get their thinking hats on and get to work on how to reach and inform as many people as possible effectively so they're not faux spews watching ignoramuses anymore.
Get creative and get to work Dems.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)The Blue Wave was to hold tRump accountable. If that isn't done, a lot will stay home in 2020.
brooklynite
(94,499 posts)I spoke to 50-odd candidates in the 2018 cycle, and NONE of them said that voters wanted to talk about Trump. They wanted to talk about jobs, health care, education costs, and other economic issues.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)I imagine they had questions, but surely they realized that none of that would happen with tRump in the White House. They had to know the only way to get those things passed was to hold tRump responsible and remove him from office. Did you believe those issues could be addressed with tRump as pResident?
at140
(6,110 posts)Leader. No sense to distrust her conclusion. It has small chance in Senate to convict. Then it will give Drumpf non stop crowing issue for his campaign.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)The Seth Moultons, Tim Ryans and such...
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)It will work if we do it.
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)An effort to impeach Trump so that he can be found not guilty in the Senate helps Trump.
There are multiple ongoing investigations of Trump that will certainly turn up more evidence of wrongdoing.
There is lots more evidence that the Congress does not have. Even the full Mueller report and the underlying evidence is being withheld. Trump's tax returns have been demanded, but Trump will order the law ignored so that he can keep them secret. His accountant has been subpoenaed for his financial records, there is a subpoena for the unredacted Mueller report and underlying evidence.
Investigations take time, especially when Trump obstructs while Republicans cheer.
Raven123
(4,823 posts)Im in favor. Do nothing to the exclusion of the other responses. They are all important.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)I recognize that we cannot impeach immediately after Congress returns from break. But we can investigate, without necessarily calling them impeachment investigations.
The public needs more time to sift through the 430-page report. Despite Barrs lies, Mueller laid out ten clear instances of obstruction but stopped short of indictment only because of the standing OLC opinion against indicting a sitting president. It wouldnt have been fair to the subject to suspend that policy based on who the president is or even the severity of the offense.
Even where crimes are not spelled out, Trumps behavior is appalling and an abuse of power. Telling subordinates to lie to the FBI is impeachable misconduct, and we could start the impeachment process now just with what we have. But I like the idea of televised hearings, helping to educate the public who might not have bothered to read the report about just how lawless Trumps conduct was. That will gradually bring the public around and boost support for impeachment.
At some point before the 2020 election, the House should impeach, regardless of prospects in the Senate. This is not lying about a blowjob; asking for and accepting Russian help is possibly the most serious offense a presidential candidate has ever committed. That scofflaw attitude has continued throughout his presidency, and is only getting worse.
Impeachment (at some point) is the right thing to do. If we fail to even try to impeach out of fear of a Senate acquittal, we are saying political power is more important than the rule of law.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)essaynnc
(801 posts)What is the process for holding them accountable for anything that is uncovered and even proven during the investigations that will follow??? I've seen them ignore and obfuscate virtually every charge that has been thrown at them, and because they don't follow the unwritten rules, nothing seems to phase them, they just keep doing it! So how will they ever be held accountable for their actions????
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)now that's a politician! Please both sides with the same statement.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)will convince her.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)It'd allow Trump and his cronies to crow that the Democrats are afraid of facing him in 2020, so they're trying to take him down another way. That's already how they're framing Mueller's investigation and its results. Why hand them even more ammo?
For folks who aren't politically inclined like those of us here and are thus less informed, it'd look like a partisan hit job. The reality is that a lot of people simply don't pay attention to politics and aren't engaged. As long as they have a job and they can pay their bills, they don't much care who's running the show.
It'd definitely rev up the GOP base going into election season. It might even induce some of them who dislike him enough to stay home to reconsider that decision and vote for him.
Trump is so crooked he has to screw his pants on in the morning and we all know it. Unfortunately, the math is against us in the Senate. The GOP senators just won't vote to convict unless there's a smoking gun, and right now there isn't one. With no way to get a conviction, there are more downsides than upsides regarding impeachment, in my opinion.
Omaha Steve
(99,580 posts)Not the published headline and saying the Speaker "appeared" to tap the brakes" makes the article opinion.