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IH8TU

(26 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:12 PM Mar 2019

Mosque shooting: Gunman livestreamed shooting, has 37-page manifesto

Source: nzherald.co.nz

A horrific shooting at a Christchurch mosque was livestreamed for 17 minutes by the gunman.

The livestream began as the gunman drove to the Al Noor Mosque in Deans Ave, parking his car in a nearby driveway.

The beige stationwagon contains a cache of weapons and ammunition in the front passenger seat and boot, along with petrol cannisters.

Read more: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213076

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Mosque shooting: Gunman livestreamed shooting, has 37-page manifesto (Original Post) IH8TU Mar 2019 OP
O.O sakabatou Mar 2019 #1
They took it down because Trump is named as one of his heroes. allgood33 Mar 2019 #49
I saw he also named famous youtube gamer pewpewdie Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #55
Here is the manifesto. Eko Mar 2019 #2
Started to read it and thought, "You know what?" ZZenith Mar 2019 #6
I got to 28-year-old white guy and the "save the whites" nonsense TwilightZone Mar 2019 #7
Reads like someone inspired by Brevik in Norway Devil Child Mar 2019 #9
I was thinking Charles Manson MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #56
Good observations MosheFeingold Devil Child Mar 2019 #58
Somebody called him MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #59
I read it. dalton99a Mar 2019 #20
Yup. Eko Mar 2019 #23
good lord AmandaRuth Mar 2019 #25
God damn Trump, please. rickyhall Mar 2019 #33
It's been taken down. Progressive Jones Mar 2019 #38
Let me guess - the shooter's a "Christian." ZZenith Mar 2019 #3
Yep. 28-year-old white guy... TwilightZone Mar 2019 #5
There are good people on both sides rpannier Mar 2019 #13
Nope MosheFeingold Mar 2019 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Miguel M Mar 2019 #4
fucking racist piece of shit. I hope they burn the asshole(s) who did this still_one Mar 2019 #8
Right, so he's not a terrorist and has no political agenda IronLionZion Mar 2019 #10
PM Ardern's statement BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #11
Excellent response-- the way a proper leader reacts to this... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #19
This is truly civil leadership that should be studied ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #37
+1 BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #48
Live reports from two sources say shootings at two mosques. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #12
I'm sitting here in the middle of it... wysi Mar 2019 #14
Thank you and stay safe! KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #22
Thanks... wysi Mar 2019 #24
Take care. The shooter who live streamed his mass murder was shooting down the block ... Rollo Mar 2019 #36
.. Cha Mar 2019 #41
And that shithead in the WH will politicize this in 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2019 #15
He already has... wysi Mar 2019 #18
This one is going to be tricky for them. herding cats Mar 2019 #30
The NRA too, if NZ has gun control laws treestar Mar 2019 #53
New Zealand Gun Laws DVDGuy Mar 2019 #67
TVNZ: One man in custody. 9 confirmed dead so far. Entire city on lockdown. mobeau69 Mar 2019 #16
There will be more than 9 sadly :( dustyscamp Mar 2019 #21
Disgusting! Behind the Aegis Mar 2019 #17
N.Z. police said 4 people have been arrested.... IcyPeas Mar 2019 #26
Was there another incident? I only saw one guy shooting in the livestream video dustyscamp Mar 2019 #27
2 mosques were targeted in Christchurch. IcyPeas Mar 2019 #28
ah dustyscamp Mar 2019 #29
My heart is with everyone impacted by this blatant act of hate tonight. herding cats Mar 2019 #31
.. Cha Mar 2019 #43
right wing racist extremism is spreading world wide & the US is the leader of that pack yaesu Mar 2019 #32
A white man with an assault rifle... jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #34
Nothing more vile. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #39
No. The man adored by the NRA & tells biker gangs to rise up to defend him is the greater threat. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #50
. dalton99a Mar 2019 #35
Was preparing to excoriate you for posting Daily Mail headline canetoad Mar 2019 #40
Link to The Guardian live updates nitpicker Mar 2019 #42
More from The Guardian nitpicker Mar 2019 #44
BBC radio update nitpicker Mar 2019 #45
Link to BBC live thread nitpicker Mar 2019 #46
Link to nzherald nitpicker Mar 2019 #47
I can't stop weeping leftynyc Mar 2019 #51
I won't watch it and I won't read it MissMillie Mar 2019 #52
FreeRepublic has members gleefully cheering the attack. Oneironaut Mar 2019 #54
They're sick Miguel Smith Mar 2019 #60
We need to document their sickness and show it to the world dustyscamp Mar 2019 #66
If hate has spread to a place like NZ, this world is fucked. MicaelS Mar 2019 #61
Me, too. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #62
Apparently is now a worldwide phenomenon... MicaelS Mar 2019 #63
I think you are right about this. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #65
Prime Minister latest live conference. she just said IcyPeas Mar 2019 #64
 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
49. They took it down because Trump is named as one of his heroes.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:45 AM
Mar 2019

It should be widespread so society can hold the hateful idols to account for their words of hate. I am sure at some point it will be leaked. Why would the media hid it from us? It is important for the world to know the source of the venom.

ZZenith

(4,128 posts)
6. Started to read it and thought, "You know what?"
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:19 PM
Mar 2019

“Fuck that guy. I am not gonna read a word he wrote. There is NOTHING such a person can teach me about anything.”

TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
7. I got to 28-year-old white guy and the "save the whites" nonsense
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:21 PM
Mar 2019

and I pretty much knew all I needed to.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
56. I was thinking Charles Manson
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 02:10 PM
Mar 2019

He just wants Balkanization and race war akin to Helter Skelter.

His politics seems to be where the radical left and radical right meet — anti capitalist, pro communist (China) and then off the chart racist.

In reflection, it’s a bit like Mein Kampf — socialism mixed with racism.

Should serve to unite the right and the left to police ourselves of our loons.

Of course, we don’t do that. Both sides seem to be listening to their lesser angels.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
58. Good observations MosheFeingold
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 02:30 PM
Mar 2019

It is a strange mash-up of views. Heavily saturated with that helter-skelter mindset. He was definitely an adherent to that warped 4/8chans philosophy of instilling accelerationist chaos so they can "seize the opportunity" for their beloved race-war fantasies.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
59. Somebody called him
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 02:57 PM
Mar 2019

A very racist Bernie Sanders.

That’s probably an OK analogy, albeit imperfect.

Would make sense to those who haven’t read Hitlers similar nonsensical screed.

Or who don’t know what Manson was trying to do.

AmandaRuth

(3,105 posts)
25. good lord
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:28 AM
Mar 2019

shooter said he supported Donald Trump "as a symbol of white identity and common purpose".

ZZenith

(4,128 posts)
3. Let me guess - the shooter's a "Christian."
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:17 PM
Mar 2019

Just trying to “protect his culture.”

God, please save us from such people.

Response to IH8TU (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
10. Right, so he's not a terrorist and has no political agenda
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:29 PM
Mar 2019

because "a white, 28-year-old Australian-born man."

Got it.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
19. Excellent response-- the way a proper leader reacts to this...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:19 AM
Mar 2019

Remember when we once had such a person here?

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
37. This is truly civil leadership that should be studied
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:03 AM
Mar 2019

Just watched her briefing on MSNBC - she is a leader with nothing to hide, completely honest, not trying to campaign, possessing vision of what should happen next and what citizens can do right now without suggesting doing stupid crap. Fearless, but appropriately cautious. She denounced the terrible acts as right wing extremism that has no place...if non muslims in the community want to do something, show members of the muslim community, support and compassion...after healing, this will be put behind us, and those who want to practice their religion can return to the mosques to again practice it. After a lifetime of watching all the tragedy responses by leadership from BOTH parties here in the U.S., I didn't know this kind of leadership display could exist. Seriously. Big fan of the Kennedys and Obama, and still extremely impressed. God bless her.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
12. Live reports from two sources say shootings at two mosques.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:51 PM
Mar 2019

Live updated stream on the Guardian UK:

Christchurch shooting: police search for gunman after mass shooting at mosque – live updates
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live

(Snip)

Multiple fatalities at two locations and situation ongoing, with one suspect in custody, police confirm

New Zealand police confirm that there have been multiple fatalities at two locations – one mosque on Dean’s Road and one on Linwood Avenue. The police say one suspect is in custody, but that the situation is still ongoing and it is an active shooter situation.


And....

Live: Massacre at the mosques - gunmen kill multiple people, Christchurch under siege
Link: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039

(snip)
KEY POINTS:

• Dozens feared killed as at least two gunmen open fire at two central Christchurch mosques

• City in lockdown, with reports of a third shooting scene and a car bomb in Strickland St

• One gunman, believed to be Australian, filmed as he shot victims in the mosque - and wrote a manifesto declaring his intentions

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Sad day for what normally is a peaceful nation.......

wysi

(1,512 posts)
14. I'm sitting here in the middle of it...
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:53 PM
Mar 2019

No car bomb, that was a suspect who run off the road and was apprehended/possibly killed by armed police. Might have been the one livestreaming the massacre.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
22. Thank you and stay safe!
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:21 AM
Mar 2019

I'm reading the entire city of Christchurch is/was on lockdown, something that's almost unheard of. I fear the reports tomorrow will be horrible and nerves will be on edge for a long time.

What I just saw on The Guardian:

What we know so far

* Multiple people have been shot dead in shootings at two mosques in theNew Zealand city of Christchurch during Friday afternoon prayers. A car with explosives inside was intercepted by police nearby
* One suspect is in custody but police warned they are still tracing an active shooter. Police commissioner Mike Bush said: “Close your doors until you hear from us again.”


May peace and quiet return to you soon.......

wysi

(1,512 posts)
24. Thanks...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:26 AM
Mar 2019

... the mosque where the perp livestreamed from is just around the corner from my house. Unlikely I'll make it home this evening.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
36. Take care. The shooter who live streamed his mass murder was shooting down the block ...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:03 AM
Mar 2019

The live stream has been popping up on Youtube, but doesn't last long before it is yanked by Youtube for violent and graphic content. I found one that is 16 min long and yes, it's horrific. Really really horrific. It will haunt me, I'm certain.

He also shot a poor woman on the sidewalk who was probably just arriving for the Friday services. She may have been the last of many, but it was particularly disturbing. He shot her first from about 20 feet away, she fell at the curb, and then he walked briskly up to her, listened to her cries for help, and finished her off.

Ugh.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
30. This one is going to be tricky for them.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:18 AM
Mar 2019

The New Zealand mosque shooter said he supported Donald Trump "as a symbol of white identity and common purpose."


DVDGuy

(53 posts)
67. New Zealand Gun Laws
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:59 PM
Mar 2019

New Zealand has much less strict gun laws than Australia, despite various attempts in recent times to toughen the laws. The shooter's guns were all legally purchased. Various groups, including the police, in particular, have tried to push for universal registration and reclassification of certain rifles, such as AR-15 style ones, from the current 'A' category to the more restricted 'E' category (military-style semi-automatics). These attempts have failed due to high court challenges made by the NZ equivalent of the NRA, the New Zealand National Shooters Association.

'A' category rifles are limited to only 7 rounds, but it looks like the shooter was able to simply use a higher capacity magazine to turn his 'A' category rifle into a more restricted 'E' category one. This is considered a loophole in the law, which some say have been put in deliberately by the gun lobby, which "helped" to write the current laws. More information here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

It says something that this Australian guy couldn't do what he did in his own country because of the tough gun laws here (I'm Australian), so he had to choose another country to act out his evil fantasies. Gun control works, and it looks like NZ will get getting much tougher ones pretty soon (but sadly, not soon enough).

Behind the Aegis

(53,989 posts)
17. Disgusting!
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:05 AM
Mar 2019

I am shocked by the location, not the hate; sadly, that doesn't shock me anymore.

I hope the NZ communities come together and help their fellow citizens in their time of need.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
31. My heart is with everyone impacted by this blatant act of hate tonight.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:23 AM
Mar 2019

I'm not religious, but I try to be moral and am deeply empathetic. I'm so sorry to everyone and my heart breaks with all the negative emotions I know this is causing.

Peace to all.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
32. right wing racist extremism is spreading world wide & the US is the leader of that pack
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:34 AM
Mar 2019

its a shame that tRumps fascist republican party supports racists & islamophobes, I wonder how many other murders this crime family will get away with?

canetoad

(17,190 posts)
40. Was preparing to excoriate you for posting Daily Mail headline
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:42 AM
Mar 2019

But yes, it appears to be true. Apologies.

What we know so far

*40 people confirmed dead as at least two gunmen opened fire at two central Christchurch mosques

*Four suspects apprehended, one of whom has been confirmed as an Australian

*One gunman, believed to be Australian, filmed the scene as he shot victims in the mosque. A manifesto outlining his plan was also circulated online.

*TVNZ reporting 48 people are being treated for gunshot wounds at Christchurch Hospital, 20 of whom have serious injuries

*School lockdowns have been lifted but NZ police have advised all mosques to close their doors until further notice

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/christchurch-shooting-live-several-reported-dead-as-new-zealand-mosques-attacked-20190315-p514jg.html

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
44. More from The Guardian
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:09 AM
Mar 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/multiple-fatalities-gunman-christchurch-mosque-shooting

Dozens killed after gunman opens fire in two Christchurch mosques

Forty people have been shot dead and 20 injured in attacks at two mosques during Friday afternoon prayers in Christchurch in what is the worst mass shooting in New Zealand’s history.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said it was “one of New Zealand’s darkest days” as police uncovered multiple explosive devices attached to cars and commissioner Mike Bush urged all mosques across the country to close their doors for the time being.

Four people were taken into custody – three men and one woman – for what Ardern described as a terrorist attack. One person was later released. Ardern condemned the ideology of the people behind the shootings, saying: “You may have chosen us but we utterly reject and condemn you.

New Zealand’s threat level has been raised from low to high and none of the suspects were on terrorism watchlists, Ardern said.
(snip)

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
46. Link to BBC live thread
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:21 AM
Mar 2019
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47578860

(snip)

Posted at 3:54

Hospital urges people not to visit patients

Christchurch Hospital has issued a statement confirming it's treating 48 patients for gunshot wounds "ranging from young children to adults".

"Unless it’s essential, we ask that people don’t come to visit patients," said David Meates, chief executive of Canterbury District Health Board. There are already 200 relatives on site.

To help the hospital cope, women who are due to give birth have been asked to go to local maternity units if they can.
(snip)



MissMillie

(38,581 posts)
52. I won't watch it and I won't read it
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:50 AM
Mar 2019

Because there is nothing any of them can say that justifies this. Nothing.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
54. FreeRepublic has members gleefully cheering the attack.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:23 AM
Mar 2019

I know that’s shocking. I need eyebleach now.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
61. If hate has spread to a place like NZ, this world is fucked.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:41 PM
Mar 2019

This is the last place I would expect some kind of this shit.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
62. Me, too.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:14 PM
Mar 2019

I thought this was a disease that was confined to Russia and its vassal states: the US and, apparently now, England.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
63. Apparently is now a worldwide phenomenon...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:21 PM
Mar 2019

Wherever whites are, feel, or think they are becoming a minority and / or losing power.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
65. I think you are right about this.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:56 PM
Mar 2019

I never realized the extent of this feeling. I guess I always thought that white people always knew that they held most of the cards. They always knew that they were in control.

But now, not so much. Now people of all colors are coming in. They are making the new society. That is almost impossible for the established Fox News crowd to accept.

IcyPeas

(21,910 posts)
64. Prime Minister latest live conference. she just said
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:38 PM
Mar 2019

(this is live at 1:38 PT)

New Zealand will change gun laws immediately.

watching on BBC World News because I'm not seeing much coverage on CNN or MSNBC....... trump trump trump.

if 49 people were killed in the United States...........




Imagine that!


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