BREAKING: Manafort jury reaches verdict on some counts, but not all

[NRaleighLiberal]

Source: CNN

The jury in the Paul Manafort trial has reached verdict on eight counts, but it can't reach consensus on 10 counts.

Earlier on Tuesday they asked Judge T.S. Ellis what would happen if they couldn't reach a verdict on a count, and Ellis said to keep working on it.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/index.html

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TPM is now reporting guilty on 5 tax fraud and 2 bank fraud (4:40 PM - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/convicted-on-eight-counts}

Updated - all of the counts https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/manafort-jury-deadlocked-on-10-of-18-counts

THE COUNTS
(NOTE: charges are nonconsecutive because the original indictment included charges for Gates)

1
On a count of committing tax fraud in 2010, Manafort was found GUILTY

2
On a count of committing tax fraud in 2011, Manafort was found GUILTY

3
On a count of committing tax fraud in 2012, Manafort was found GUILTY

4
On a count of committing tax fraud in 2013, Manafort was found GUILTY

5
On a count of committing tax fraud in 2014, Manafort was found GUILTY

11
On a count of failing to submit an FBAR report for 2011, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

12
On a count of failing to submit an FBAR report for 2012, Manafort was found GUILTY

13
On a count of failing to submit an FBAR report for 2013, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

14
On a count of failing to submit an FBAR report for 2014, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

24
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $3.4 million loan from Citizens Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

25
On a count of bank fraud to obtain a $3.4 million loan from Citizens Bank, Manafort was found GUILTY

26
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $1 million loan from Banc of California, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

27
On a count of bank fraud to obtain a $1 million loan from Banc of California, Manafort was found GUILTY

28
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $5.5 million loan from Citizens Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

29
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $9.5 million loan from Federal Savings Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

30
On a count of bank fraud to obtain a $9.5 million loan from Federal Savings Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

31
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $6.5 million loan from Federal Savings Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

32
On a count of bank fraud to obtain a $6.5 million loan from Federal Savings Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

[SHRED]

1. I wonder how many of the 8 are guilty?

[pnwmom]

19. EVERY DAMN ONE.

[Squinch]

2. It is shocking that they have no verdict in 10. That doesn't feel like good news.

[Fred Sanders]

24. Excellent news...these are major convictions!

[Squinch]

54. Thank the gods!

[JohnnyRingo]

60. It's not unusual to overcharge.

Manafort could have accepted a plea bargain that would have dropped those ten charges and pleaded guilty to eight, but he refused. Actually, he may have seen more than ten dropped under an agreement. As it is, he had to stand trial on all charges.

[lapfog_1]

3. verdict coming now on those 8 counts

likely mistrial on the other 10

[Snellius]

42. That judge is not likely to throw the book at him. nt

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. can't decide...bc the case was so flimsy.....EYEROLL.

Just can't make up my mind.....the evidence the prosecution put on is such a loose case right? Shit the bed fred. ANYONE ELSE....30 years...like yesterday.

[csziggy]

5. Manafort CONVICTED of tax fraud!

Just announced on MSNBC!

[bobGandolf]

6. !0 counts they are still deadlocked on???

this will be interesting!

[GoCubsGo]

18. Not exactly "deadlocked."

"Deadlocked" assumes it's a 50-50 split. The verdict has to be unanimous. It could be a matter of only one hold-out who is not convinced that he's guilty.

[alfredo]

7. 5 guilty, more in the way

All tax fraud

[Chakaconcarne]

8. 8 counts, mistrial the remaining

[alfredo]

10. Can those mistrials be retried?

[maxrandb]

13. Yes they can!!!

They can also be considered during sentencing as they can be used to establish character.

[alfredo]

14. Yes!

[rurallib]

34. thanks so much for this info - very curious about it.

[SergeStorms]

36. Character.....

Anyone connected to Trump in any business or political sense has no character. Not an iota of honesty or integrity, either.

Yeah, I know what you mean, but you left the door wide open on that one! I had to walk in.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. 2 bank fraud now reported on top of the 5

[alfredo]

11. Half a loaf is better than none

[Fred Sanders]

25. For the one convicted of even one murder and acquitted of 17 it is no loaf at all.

[alfredo]

32. True

[BumRushDaShow]

12. NYT convicted 8 counts fraud, 10 up in the air

Paul Manafort Convicted in Fraud Trial

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, was convicted on Tuesday in his financial fraud trial, bringing a dramatic end to a politically charged case that riveted the capital.

The verdict was a victory for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, whose prosecutors built a case that Mr. Manafort hid millions of dollars in foreign accounts to evade taxes and lied to banks repeatedly to obtain $20 million in loans.

Mr. Manafort was convicted on five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud and one count of failure to disclose a foreign bank account. The jury was unable to reach a verdict on 10 of the 18 counts and the judge declared a mistrial on those charges.

The trial did not touch directly on Mr. Mueller’s inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election or on whether Mr. Trump has sought to obstruct the investigation. But it was the first test of the special counsel’s ability to prosecute a case in a federal courtroom amid intense criticism from the president and his allies that the inquiry is a biased and unjustified witch hunt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/us/politics/paul-manafort-trial-verdict.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

[alfredo]

15. Next, state courts get to dismember him.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. A mistrial means they can retry on those counts too. nt

[alfredo]

23. This came to mind

[BumRushDaShow]

35. lol

[former9thward]

39. It won't happen.

If the prosecution could not get him on this case they will not retrial.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. The threat, just before the 2nd trial, still hangs out there with the hope he'll do a plea deal. nt

[alfredo]

50. Like I said earlier, a half a loaf is better than none.

[DeminPennswoods]

17. Look at it this way

Basically there were 4 groups of charges: tax fraud, failure to report FBAR, bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy. The jury convicted Manafort of at least 1 count in 3 of the 4 groups - all except bank fraud conspiracy. There were enough redundancies that convicting on some and not others in each group works out just fine.

[Cosmocat]

20. It was a complicated prosecution, but this jury was hamstrung by the judge

they did a good job despite him ...

[DeminPennswoods]

21. Agree and the judge did the jury no favor

by refusing to allow them to see the exhibits in real time.

[Fred Sanders]

26. Exactly how I see it. And convicted of direct bank fraud re: Citizens Bank (his buddies) but

maybe atrial of conspiracy to commit fraud on identical evidence...so he got spanked on the higher charge!

Conspiracy always tough to prove...actual fraud not as much.

[DeminPennswoods]

37. No doubt at all Manafort and Calk conspired

on bank fraud at Calk's bank. It was a pretty clear quid pro quo. I think if the prosecutors had given Calk immunity and had him testify, they might have gotten a conspiracy conviction. But given what the prosecutors said about Calk being involved in other crimes, I'm thinking Calk's going to be indicted on seperate bank fraud/conspiracy charges sooner or later.

[Mr. Ected]

22. What might be the basis of a mistrial on those particular counts?

Do we have any legal beagles that might shed light on what that means?

[Fred Sanders]

28. Make Manofort squeal....keep the pressure on...but aside from that probably no legal reason

honestly.

Prosecution got what they wanted...a man behind bars and now perhaps willing to squeal.

Kind of vindicates Page and others who pled out after seeing the discovery Manafort had in them.

Manafort is just being plain obstinate...and he has the Evil One breathing down his neck...but he is now safe in jail and nothing to lose...

Plus there is still another trial to go regarding conspiracy against the United States related to laundered money that flowed to Trump...just like such money flowed to Cohen.

[PoliticAverse]

30. The jury couldn't reach agreement on those counts means mistrial for those counts. n/t

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[left-of-center2012]

27. follow the money

Manafort Found Guilty on 8 Counts
MSNBC Live

[left-of-center2012]

29. Trump will say ...

"This had nothing to do with collusion."

But there is another trial coming up for Manafort,
and maybe Mueller can use the sentencing on this trial to "flip" Manafort on Trump.

Maybe ??????

[DeminPennswoods]

38. Winner!

That's exactly what Trump just said upon landing in WVa. Otherwise, oh well, too bad for Paulie.

[ffr]

31. So not NOT GUILTY as claimed.

Sinner!

[underthematrix]

33. I'm curious about this

Link to tweet

[Fred Sanders]

46. On the conspiracy to commit fraud versus the actual commit fraud on Citizen's bank the

jury found guilty of the fraud and mistrial on the conspiracy to commit fraud...Obvious at least one juror did not feel the higher standard of proof for conspiracy, personal animus has to be proven, was not met...which is why such charges always tough to prove.

[Hav]

41. Interesting

First, on all counts where the jury was in agreement, he was found guilty.
Secondly, looking at the mistrials, there are similar items where he was found guilty.
Example:
24
On a count of bank fraud conspiracy to obtain a $3.4 million loan from Citizens Bank, Manafort was found MISTRIAL

25
On a count of bank fraud to obtain a $3.4 million loan from Citizens Bank, Manafort was found GUILTY


Seems to be the same loan where he was found guilty for bank fraud but not bank fraud conspiracy. 26-31 are exactly like that. What I mean with that, it's clear that Manafort is crooked as hell and the jury agrees, there just seems to be the question whether some crimes fit a certain definition.

[Fred Sanders]

47. Correction...he was found not guilty of zero charges.

[Snellius]

43. Moral of this story: Pay your taxes April 15. Vote Democratic on November 6

[Honeycombe8]

44. Yes! The other 10 are NOT "not guilty." They are mistrials. nt

[Bayard]

45. GUILTY!

I would think those verdicts alone are enough to send him away for a very long time.

[Fred Sanders]

49. $3.1 million fraud on just the one count regarding the bank is many years in the clink alone.

And then lying about this and other stuff and then covering the tracks with more lies...a few years more...unless you cooperate, Mr. Manafort, before your next trial in a month.

[0rganism]

48. so how much time is Manafort looking at here?

just from the 8 charges so far, 5 tax fraud convictions, 1 FBAR filing, 1 bank fraud ($1 million)

veeeery eeenteresting

[Massacure]

56. 80 years

Per CNN, three years each for five counts of tax fraud, five years for the FBAR filing, and 30 years each for two counts of bank fraud.

From my own research, the best case scenario for Manafort is that the judge lets him serve all the sentences concurrently. The federal sentencing guideline is 57-71 months of imprisonment on the case of $3.4 million dollar fraud case (offense level 25).

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/guidelines-manual/2015/2B1.1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines


If the judge makes him serve the sentences consecutively, Manafort will probably die in prison. He is currently 69 years old.

[0rganism]

58. thanks!

seems like Manafort will probably die in prison even with concurrent sentencing, given the 30 year sentences for bank fraud

do you think Trump will pardon him, or commute his sentence?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

62. A guess: Trump will pardon or commute the sentence after Nov 2020 election.

Manafort will do two years of relatively easy time at a Camp Fed, then get set loose.

[onetexan]

63. he's got to face the state charges as well

not sure if those are already filed but i read there's another trial next month where he may get another 20 years tacked onto his up to 80 years already.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

64. 80 years? Has the sentencing been done? Are the terms to be "consecutive"?

Some of the charges have 30-year maximum terms, or so I remember reading. But I don't recall if the judge has made them consecutive, concurrent, or if the sentence has been determined.

Still, 30 years is a long time. For someone as old as Manafort, it's life.

Yes, there are still state charges. Hopefully there will be long-term sentences there.

Trump could probably still smuggle him to a non-extradition country where he could enjoy his ill-gotten gains.

[alfredo]

51. As if republicans haven't already had a bad day, it gets worse.

Another pickup in California? Duncan Hunter and his wife indicted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/read-duncan-hunter-indictment/index.html

[meadowlander]

52. It looks like they were confused primarily about the conspiracy charges.

They voted guilty on bank fraud but not necessarily on conspiracy to commit bank fraud.

[workinclasszero]

53. LOCK HIM UP!!!!!

[Owl]

55. Wish it were more than 8; hopefully he gets along sentence.

[bluestarone]

57. TODAY the decline of RUMP BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I"M soooo HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KY_EnviroGuy]

59. It may be the silver lining from today is...

A very politically damaging environment with some teeth now surrounds the Trump campaign and administration, and it will only get worse.

From Europe, see a full front page of vindication for our justice system here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news

Includes Manafort/Cohen (live page), Steel dossier, and Duncan Hunter articles......