Governor Tells Trump She Won't Send Troops To Border

[DonViejo]

Source: Newsweek Magazine




MEXICO BORDER WALL: OREGON GOVERNOR TELLS TRUMP SHE'LL REFUSE ORDER TO SEND GUARD TROOPS SOUTH

BY SHANE CROUCHER ON 4/5/18 AT 5:07 AM

Governor Kate Brown said she will refuse any order from President Donald Trump to send Oregon's guard troops down south to the US-Mexico border.

Trump wants National Guard troops sent to the Mexican border as his effort to build an impenetrable wall stalls because his administration is struggling to secure enough funds from Congress or other sources. He originally said Mexico would pay for the wall, but it has refused.

In a presidential memorandum authorizing the request of deployment of Guards to the border, Trump says U.S. security is "imperiled by a drastic surge of illegal activity", in particular drug trafficking by gangs and unlawful immigration.

He said it is a "crisis" of "lawlessness" at the southern border.

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[pangaia]

1. Now THAT is the way to govern !!

[DownriverDem]

34. It won't work

The president can federalize the national guard. Then the governor will have no say. That is what Eisenhower and Kennedy did to fight the white haters. Too bad this isn't about that.

[TomSlick]

46. This isn't really the same situation as the Central High (Little Rock) crises in 1957.

If the National Guard is federalized, they are federal troops and subject to the Posse Comitatus Act and therefore prohibited from law enforcement activities. The justification for Eisenhower's use of active duty federal troops and the federalize Arkansas National Guard to enforce enforcement of integration orders was the Enforcement Acts of 1870 and 1871 (the anti-Klan acts) which would not be available to guard the border. Federalized National Guard troops could be used for surveillence, intelligence, logistic, etc. support but could not detain people at the border.

National Guard troops under "state orders" are not subject to the Posse Comitatus Act. Under an inter-state compact, National Guard troops from one state can perform law enforcement activities in another state. There are serious questions about what is included in law enforcement activities, e.g., is driving a bus load of arrested people law enforcement. The only way to avoid these problems is to have the National Guard under "state orders" which requires the cooperate of the Governors.

Regardless of party, Governors ought to be concerned about how the Guard troops - and the family, friends and employers - will respond to mobilization to the border (hardly a prime vacation site) when there is no real crises.

[MrModerate]

2. I wouldn't expect Jerry Brown to kowtow either . . .

Or to let other states' Guards to operate in California.

Another Trump chump-dump producing nothing but angst.

[DownriverDem]

35. Federalizing the National Guard

The governors won't have a say in the matter.

[MFM008]

55. If he could do THAT

he would have just done it.

[politicaljunkie41910]

52. It will just further bankrupt the Country; about the only thing that he does successfully.

Bankrupting entities is about the only thing he knows how to do successfully. He said Mexico was going to pay for the "Wall". Mexico said "F^ck You. We're not paying for any damn wall." The GOP Congress needs to grow a pair. At the current pace, the only thing the Dotard is going to do is bankrupt this nation and we won't have shit to show for it. No health care. No new infrastructure projects completed. No handle on the National Debt that they ran up to pay for their tax cuts that benefited the top 1%.

When are the men and women of the GOP Congress going to say enough is enough? The vast majority of the island of Puerto Rico, a U.S. Territory, still looks like shit all these months later, while Houston is steadily being rebuilt. Half the population has fled to Florida and other states in the U.S. to overload the resources in those states. Now mind you, I'm not blaming them; I'm just pointing out the fact that the Dotard in charge with the 5 minute attention span has dropped the ball, and his pussies in the GOP Congress have dropped the ball; and I hope we Democrats will remain vigilant in Nov 2018 and Nov 2020, rather than get bogged down in 'food fights with one another' and run those bastards out of Washington.

They have no new ideas, and no backbone, so their current plan is to make the 2018 Election a referendum on Hillary Clinton again; which is what a one-trick pony does, keep playing the same old song over and over again and convincing the electorate that there will be a different outcome.

[beachbum bob]

3. unfortunately Trump can "federalize" the National Guard and bypass each state's govenor...

at least its a symbolic gesture and of course months in the awful border climate along the US-Mexico border will make a few guardsmen unhappy with trump...

[Ligyron]

7. Gonna start getting mighty warm down there before long.

Poor NG troopies.

[beachbum bob]

10. do you think as a political move trump would use guard units from blue states as it won't matter

come november election? I think he is a sick enough individual to call up guard units from california, New York, Illinois and Mass.....and not ones from Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas...


just saying, no new trump/republican voter is going to be created in the ranks of national guard units serving in 120deg summer temps and their familes

[atreides1]

15. There are limitations

Title 10 service means full-time duty in the active military service of the United States. The term used is federalized. Federalized National Guard forces have been ordered, by the President to active duty either in their reserve component status or by calling them into Federal service in their militia status. There are several forms:

Voluntary Order to Active Duty.

Federalized with the soldier's or airman's consent and the consent of their Governor.

Partial Mobilization.
In time of national emergency declared by the President for any unit or any member for not more than 24 consecutive months.

Presidential Reserve Call Up.
When the President determines that it is necessary to augment the active forces for any operational mission for any unit or any member for not more than 270 days.

Federal Aid for State Governments.
Whenever an insurrection occurs in any state against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its
governor call into Federal service such of the militia of the other states. This is a statutory exception to the PCA(Posse Comitatus Act)

Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority.
Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any state or territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any state. This is another statutory
exception to the PCA(Posse Comitatus Act).

Interference with State and Federal law.
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a state, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.

Air and Army National Guard.
Air and Army National Guard can specifically be called into Federal service in case of invasion, rebellion, or inability to execute Federal law with active forces.

In the categories listed above, Army and Air National Guard units or individuals may also be mobilized for non-combat purposes such as the State Partnership Program, humanitarian missions, counter-drug operations, and peacekeeping or peace enforcement missions.

If he does then the federal government has to foot the bill, and that money is probably not in the current budget!

[beachbum bob]

21. Esienhower federalized the National guard with the race issues in Arkansas in the 1950's

and trump could care less about monies being in the budget or not so that is a mute point altogether

[Arazi]

40. "Moot" point not "mute". Sorry, pet peeve. Carry on...

[TomSlick]

47. See my Post 46 above.

[DownriverDem]

36. Exactly

Google Eisenhower and Kennedy to see how it works.

[PearliePoo2]

4. Washington State Governor Jay Inslee needs to tell him, "NO" also, if he wants WA Guard.

This is all bullshit to deflect from the fact that he didn't get his wall.
Cadet 'Bone-Spurs' is beating his chest, faking that he's a tough mo-fo to appease his mouth-breathing deplorables.
fuck this guy.

K&R

[DownriverDem]

37. Won't work

Please folks. Do some research. Eisenhower and Kennedy both federalized the national guard to fight the white haters.

[pnwmom]

42. It will work for P.R., and that's important. If Trump FORCES the National Guard

to go down and babysit the border, there will be repercussions.

[TomSlick]

48. See my Post 46 above.

[Botany]

5. Smackdown

There’s been no outreach by the President or federal officials, and I have no
intention of allowing Oregon’s guard troops to be used to distract from his
troubles in Washington.

[SunSeeker]

6. The "crisis of lawlessness" is at the White House, not the border. nt

[brush]

23. Exactly! He's fanning the flames to make his supporters think that hoards are streaming across...

the border right now when crossings have dropped dramatically—all so he can get his stupid border wall built with money that should be going to upgrade our antiquated infrastructure.

If he wants a testament to his presidency, modernizing and repairing our railroads, bridges, airports, electrical grid, water delivery system, roads, et al would do way more than wasting money building a stupid wall.

He's too dense to get that though.

[Soxfan58]

8. Wont Mexico

Be concerned about a troop buildup on their northern border? The Dick-tater in chief is really going for it. I now have to admit, hurry up Mueller.

[FakeNoose]

30. Of course! The orange asshat wants to start a war

... anywhere he can. Nobody in Asia is taking his bait, so now he's looking at Mexico.

[DownriverDem]

38. Boy pissing statue.

We have it in our pond. We call him Dickie.

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. Telling that asshole no just means he'll go all in. No one tells him no.

[PatrickforO]

17. I just emailed my governor asking him also to refuse.

[TheSmarterDog]

11. I'm just wondering what happens

when a million NG's are stuck in TX NM & AZ with literally nothing to do?

[Kurt V.]

13. yep. what could possibility go wrong? Bored young men n women with nothing to do. hmmm.

[TomSlick]

49. My guess is they and their families, friends and employers vote against the governors

that cooperated in the waste of their time.

[world wide wally]

12. He is more determined to build this monument to Trump (the wall) than anything else

[KPN]

14. It's called "edifice complex".

[scarytomcat]

16. Trump f... all this bullshit enforce the law

fine companies that hire undocumented workers and go back to guest worker programs

[PatrickforO]

18. This is the conundrum.

For years, Republicans have courted the xenophobic crazies as their base. Years.

Yet, during those same years, business owners who have exploited illegal immigrants for years to do stoop labor in agriculture while the GOP had law enforcement turn a blind eye.

Now, they will lose one or the other at the polls.

Same with the trade war. That's red meat for the base, but ironically they will be the ones who lose the most from it, because Trump just isn't very smart and China can run circles around him. So the rest of us will suffer.

These idiotic actions by Trump are alienating the right-leaning independents in droves. He still has the base but the rest of us seriously outnumber them.

[Sophia4]

33. Right! People come here to work, and they don't just come from Mexico.

They come from all over the world.

[nature-lover]

39. Exactly.

[radliberal]

19. Oregon Blue State Strong!

Trump is a racist and so are his followers. They offer nothing to the world but hate, division and greed. They will be resisted here in Oregon and elsewhere. Their flunkies in the Congress will be voted out in November and this political nightmare they have puked up on America will end! VOTE THEM OUT!

[Pepsidog]

20. Bravo Governor. I hope other States Governors are as courageous

[beachbum bob]

22. no govenor can't stop trump from sending guard troops

[Pepsidog]

25. Maybe not, but I love the resistance. Utterly shameful using the guard for political purposes.

[sdfernando]

24. I live in San Diego...

We have a house about 3 miles north of the border....there is NO CRISIS here!...None....NADA....ZIP. Mr. Spanky Lil' Stumpy is lying as usual!

[Pepsidog]

26. The only crisis there is lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and the cowardly Repubs who remain mute

[notdarkyet]

27. When trump is gone, I will stand at th E border and yell tear down this wall. I bet it

Will fall quick.

[jalan48]

28. As an Oregonian I'm proud to see our Governor at the forefront on this. nt

[Amaryllis]

45. Ditto that. Integrity, courage, stands up for what is right.

[BobTheSubgenius]

29. All the police state implications aside,

in a way, it's the "wall" being paid for on installment. The costs ought to be fairly easy to calculate.

[geretogo]

31. I voted for Kate Brown because I thought she would do what is right and moral , not just

what makes political points . I hope Jerry Brown does the same .

[Hulk]

32. ALL for show..

They would serve NO purpose and only serve as a pacifier to his shrinking fan base and further destract from his crumbling house of cards.

[trueblue2007]

41. SHE IS MY GOVERNOR

[classof56]

43. MINE TOO!

Proud of you, Kate. Stay strong and, hold fast to our state motto: She Flies With Her Own Wings!

[Amaryllis]

44. Me three! That's our Kate.

[question everything]

50. Can you please add, in parenthesis, (Oregon)? Thanks (nt)

[Anon-C]

51. Whats your availability say November of 2020? nt

[Skittles]

53. using the military as props in his effort to suck up to his fucked-up RACIST fans

SICKENING

[duforsure]

54. The more I know about Gov. Kate Brown,

The more I like and respect her. I think she would be a great candidate for higher office. She's not scared of trump , like the GOP are, and she is very smart, articulate, and wonderful personality from what many say, even her opponents says good things about her. She's shown what governance is all about. She's more capable of the job then orange goo has ever been, and now stating she'll not send her Guard down to the border , and they should be thankful, because it'll be like it was before. They'll be down there on their own , with no support system at all. Good to see her get more national exposure. Trump will be scared of her. He hates powerful and smart women. She's very likable, unlike him. Run Kate run.

[classof56]

56. Thumbs up to that!

I live in Knute Beuhler's neck o' the woods, and heaven help us if he should win the governorship. Run Kate indeed!