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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:19 PM Feb 2018

FBI Director Must Be Prepared to Resign Over Nunes Memo, Ex-Agents Warn

Source: The Daily Beast

Former FBI agents are warning that FBI Director Christopher Wray has to be prepared to quit, should President Donald Trump assent over bureau objections to the release of a memo calling the FBI’s integrity into question.

The release of the memo, considered imminent, shows no signs of stopping, even as the leader of Democrats in the House called on its Republican author, Devin Nunes, to be removed from his chairmanship of the House intelligence committee. It was the latest move in an extraordinary episode that appears set to spark a crisis over the criminal investigation into Trump’s potential ties to Russia.

At the center of the storm is Wray, Trump’s hand-picked FBI director. Wray got his job after Trump fired James Comey last year for what Comey described as insufficient personal “loyalty” over the Russia investigation.

On Wednesday, Wray’s FBI publicly attacked Nunes’ memo for “material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” Trump overriding Wray will immediately call Wray’s future in the Trump administration into question six month into his tenure.

Former FBI agents say that they hope Wray can remain in office, and pull Trump and House Republicans back from the precipice of what may be a pivotal moment in the bureau’s history. But they also say Wray needs to show his willingness to walk.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-director-christopher-wray-must-be-prepared-to-resign-over-nunes-memo-ex-agents-warn



I hope he walks. This memo business is beyond the pale.
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FBI Director Must Be Prepared to Resign Over Nunes Memo, Ex-Agents Warn (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2018 OP
This isn't going to stop lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #1
I am terrified that it will be the Dems who get marginalized. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #17
k&r sweetroxie Feb 2018 #45
Most Americans do not approve of the GOP psychopomp Feb 2018 #48
What are these FBI guys thinking? kstewart33 Feb 2018 #25
My thoughts exactly HopeAgain Feb 2018 #29
There are plenty of "Trumpers" in the FBI lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #30
Most agents are.... SergeStorms Feb 2018 #37
The memo is a set up. madaboutharry Feb 2018 #2
Stay strong and don't retreat. C_U_L8R Feb 2018 #3
no he shouldnt resign, let trump fire him instead to dig his grave deeper AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #4
100% agree bluestarone Feb 2018 #9
+100 Duppers Feb 2018 #47
gee could they be "former agents" acting on behalf of trump to get rid of Wray so trump does not msongs Feb 2018 #5
I agree. They're operatives, trying to set up a scenario by saying he MUST quit. mpcamb Feb 2018 #18
WTF is happening? MontanaMama Feb 2018 #6
I have the same questions NT hueymahl Feb 2018 #38
Okay. MontanaMama Feb 2018 #39
I'm wondering if there's some "graymail" in all of this. sofa king Feb 2018 #46
Why quit when he can exact revenge? Renew Deal Feb 2018 #7
His honour and place in history saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #8
He can stand up by making Trump fire him. HopeAgain Feb 2018 #31
No, he shouldn't quit. He should issue a counter memo. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #10
Yes sfwriter Feb 2018 #27
Why does quitting help? zaj Feb 2018 #11
Rosenstein, Wray and Sessions may all get fired. Then Gowdy is nominated for AG. yellowcanine Feb 2018 #12
Gowdy is going home. kstewart33 Feb 2018 #26
Oh hell no Clarity2 Feb 2018 #13
Yeah, friends of Rudy Giuliani. Nice try but Wray should find them and lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #15
Oops Clarity2 Feb 2018 #20
Weird, I know him. zaj Feb 2018 #24
Well, that would be clever on Trump's part wouldn't it? Wray can't resign. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #14
And if he walks, someone who doesnt have the ethics Wray apparently does will be picked. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2018 #16
Hope TxVietVet Feb 2018 #19
As important as Wray is, Texin Feb 2018 #21
Isn't That Playing Right Into Their Hands If Wray Resigns?.... global1 Feb 2018 #22
Why? So Wray can be replaced by Gowdy? Or some other lackey? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #23
That's what Trump wants. I remember him saying he was going to have his OWN CousinIT Feb 2018 #28
Fuck no, Wray shouldn't resign! Drumpf should!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2018 #32
Trump has set the Wayback Machine to 1973 to go dig up Nixon. nt procon Feb 2018 #33
I worry that Trump may actually win... Kablooie Feb 2018 #34
At this point I don't even care...just release the damn thing already inwiththenew Feb 2018 #35
career professionals are the front lines Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #36
I fear that it won't even come then. MontanaMama Feb 2018 #40
and giving in on the government shutdown elmac Feb 2018 #41
Earlier on CNN there was a guest who was explaining why his walking away BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #42
Then there would be a Trump tool confirmed for the job, who will work on Trump's behalf... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #44
He probably will. It will be seen by many to be because the FBI is guilty, though. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #43

lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
1. This isn't going to stop
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:22 PM
Feb 2018

until all of these traitors are locked up, their party destroyed, and the deplorable people that voted for them so marginalized that no one ever listens to them again...

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
17. I am terrified that it will be the Dems who get marginalized.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:39 PM
Feb 2018

The GOP is working as hard as it can to destroy our Constitutional Republic and replace it with an Autorcatic, one-party system run by the oligarchs and I am not sure we are going to be able to stop them.

The Gop now controls 2 of the 3 branches of Gov't and is working at a furious pace to get hold of the 3rd branch. RGB and Kennedy are in their 80's and the GOP is confirming Trump's picks for lower courts at a furious pace. Add to that the doors are wide open for Russian trolling, collusion, and election hacking and ask yourself if we can trust that the 2018 election will actually reflect the votes cast.

This is how Democracies fail. And even if, by some bloody miracle the Dems manage to retake one house of Congress, the damage already done to the US will take generations to repair. Sorry to sound so down, but I suspect that the country I have lived in all my life is going down the tubes and I won't live to see it rise again.

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
48. Most Americans do not approve of the GOP
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:30 AM
Feb 2018

As long as most of the public are aware of the damage being done and are willing to resist, there is always hope.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
25. What are these FBI guys thinking?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:09 PM
Feb 2018

If Wray walks, Trump gets what he wants - a lackey who will stymie the investigation. Are these former agents Trumpers? Because they're sure thinking like one.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
29. My thoughts exactly
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:15 PM
Feb 2018

Suddenly we will have Trey Gowdy as the FBI Director and how is that going to work out?

lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
30. There are plenty of "Trumpers" in the FBI
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:18 PM
Feb 2018

the rest are more like Nicole Wallace. Very few are like Malcolm Nance.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
37. Most agents are....
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:12 PM
Feb 2018

Republicans, because Republicans used to pretend they had a monopoly on the "rule of law, law and order" memes. That was a lie then, and it's most certainly a lie now. Plus, many agents are Mormons, and they're about as tight-assed as human beings get.

madaboutharry

(40,236 posts)
2. The memo is a set up.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:23 PM
Feb 2018

It is designed for the sole purpose of pushing out Rosenstein.

It is an outrageous assault on our democracy.

msongs

(67,465 posts)
5. gee could they be "former agents" acting on behalf of trump to get rid of Wray so trump does not
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:26 PM
Feb 2018

have to fire the guy?

mpcamb

(2,878 posts)
18. I agree. They're operatives, trying to set up a scenario by saying he MUST quit.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:43 PM
Feb 2018

Wray should ignore this and stay put.

MontanaMama

(23,364 posts)
6. WTF is happening?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:26 PM
Feb 2018

This doesn't make sense to me. I thought the FBI was supposed to be independent of the WH and Congress. Why would Wray have to resign if Team Tangeranus decide to release the memo? How is that Wray's fault? What am I missing?

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
46. I'm wondering if there's some "graymail" in all of this.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 06:50 PM
Feb 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graymail

I won't pretend to know how this might work, but the idea of graymail is to threaten to reveal state secrets during the course of a trial. Anything FISA is deeply secret, so the Director may have a responsibility to protect the information in that memo... by resigning?

No, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, either.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
31. He can stand up by making Trump fire him.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:19 PM
Feb 2018

It's Kelly, the supposed "patriot," who should be threatening to quit. If the President attacked the Marines in this way would he stand aside? Why does he feel no fealty to law enforcement or to intelligence services?

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
11. Why does quitting help?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:33 PM
Feb 2018

I don't get it.

How does quitting help the FBI staff?

How does it hurt Trump? He'll just get another crack at getting "his guy" in there?

I don't see how public pressure can get any higher, or if it can, I don't see how it impacts Trumps thinking any.

And what we risk, is Trump getting an FBI leveraging the circus of re-nomination to get an FBI director that will be compliant in there.

yellowcanine

(35,703 posts)
12. Rosenstein, Wray and Sessions may all get fired. Then Gowdy is nominated for AG.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:34 PM
Feb 2018

It makes sense in light of Gowdy announcing he wants to get back into Justice.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
13. Oh hell no
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:34 PM
Feb 2018

If he walks, it just feeds the conspiracy machine that fbi is corrupt. McCabe was already pushed out.

Who are these former fbi? From the NY office? *wink* *wink*

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. Yeah, friends of Rudy Giuliani. Nice try but Wray should find them and
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:35 PM
Feb 2018

make them pay for their part in the plot.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
20. Oops
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

Read the article and it’s “Erroll Southers” mentioning resigning. He’s based in california, so no NY conspiracy : p

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Well, that would be clever on Trump's part wouldn't it? Wray can't resign.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:34 PM
Feb 2018

He is too critically important now.

These "ex-FBI agents" wouldn't by any chance be friends of Rudy Giuliani?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
16. And if he walks, someone who doesnt have the ethics Wray apparently does will be picked.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

I wish good people would stop leaving. Seems like handing over our shields over on a silver platter. “Would you like some champagne along with my resignation, Sir?”

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
19. Hope
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:44 PM
Feb 2018

I hope someone with full knowledge of the investigation does something to save this country. Like drop all the evidenceon the doorsteps of every major newspaper in the country and world.
Someone needs to expose this TREASON.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
21. As important as Wray is,
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

he must adopt the same resolute manner that Trump's attorney McGann(IIRC) did when Shitler wanted him to fire Mueller. He told Shitler that he'd resign. The attorney and Wray are both Shitler appointees. By firing Mueller the attorney would have been cooperating in the obstruction of justice. By Wray being amenable to allowing Nunes to advance a deeply flawed hit memo on the FBI and the Justice Department, Wray would effectively be doing the exact same thing.

That said, I'd be curious to learn just who these retired FBI agents are and whether or not they are affiliated with the New York-Giuliani FBI loyalists.

global1

(25,285 posts)
22. Isn't That Playing Right Into Their Hands If Wray Resigns?....
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:58 PM
Feb 2018

Isn't that part of what they want to accomplish?

CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
28. That's what Trump wants. I remember him saying he was going to have his OWN
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:15 PM
Feb 2018

Intelligence people ie: dump all of the FBI and hire his own loyalists.

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
34. I worry that Trump may actually win...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:39 PM
Feb 2018

And shut down the investigation.
Sure there will be an outcry but Republicans will ensure that there is nothing anyone can legally do.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
35. At this point I don't even care...just release the damn thing already
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:41 PM
Feb 2018

Let's get it over with and move on to something else.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,503 posts)
36. career professionals are the front lines
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:42 PM
Feb 2018

They need to hold out as long as they can.
Rescue might not come until November.

MontanaMama

(23,364 posts)
40. I fear that it won't even come then.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:20 PM
Feb 2018

The Russians are still here and they have no reason to halt their efforts. There's no sanctions in place any more and the WH will not impose them. Things aren't looking good. The MSM is so distracted with the stupid memo that they're missing what's really important.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
41. and giving in on the government shutdown
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:24 PM
Feb 2018

gave the fascists all kinds of time and power to shut down the investigation, among other things.

BigmanPigman

(51,643 posts)
42. Earlier on CNN there was a guest who was explaining why his walking away
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:38 PM
Feb 2018

would be a good thing for him as well as the country since it would force the issue and confirm that he has integrety and morals while the GOP and Fucking Moron don't.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Then there would be a Trump tool confirmed for the job, who will work on Trump's behalf...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 06:01 PM
Feb 2018

much as Nunes does.

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