Collins on support for GOP tax bill: I want to see what comes out of conference committee
Source: The Hill
BY BRETT SAMUELS - 12/03/17 11:27 AM EST
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Sunday that there is no guarantee she will vote for Republican tax reform legislation once it comes out of a conference committee with the House, despite her support of the Senate version.
No, I mean obviously I want to see what comes out. I believe that the amendments I added on medical expense deductions, on property tax deductions, on helping retirement security for employees improve the bill," Collins said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
The Senate passed legislation early Saturday morning to overhaul the tax code, approving the plan by a 51-49 vote.
The bill would lower tax rates for individuals through 2025 and permanently cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent. The bills tax cuts for individuals are temporary in order to comply with budget rules that the measure cant add to the deficit after 10 years. The Senate bill also repeals ObamaCare's individual mandate, something the House bill does not do.
Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/362996-collins-i-want-to-see-what-comes-out-joint-committee-before
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Do they still think one day they will be wealthy enough to enjoy it?
lark
(23,179 posts)Faux tells them this is a great win and will hurt libruls in CA,NY & MA and they are totally gleeful about that. They don't reallize they are the ones that will be paying a lot more for healthcare, their taxes will go way up starting in 2019, & food stamps, Medicare,
social security and Medicaid are also on the cutting table. They are killing themselves, but since brown people and women and children are also gettin hurt, that's ok with the freaking jerks.
trump voter is really about the worst thing I can say about them because that encompasses all types of illegality, crime, fraud, rape, KKK, Nazis, and traitors.
So glad I don't work anymore and no longer have to put up with my rich trump loving hag of a boss. 'These days I get to choose who I associate with, one large benefit of getting older.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)The backbone of the GOP scam is to make them think they will one day be rich. So then they vote for all these benefits to the 1% because they will someday be there too.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)to reinforce this idea.
The only reasons they wouldn't are
1) they are too damn cheap
2) they wouldn't want to rub elbows with the previously poor or middle class in their country clubs
Orrex
(63,243 posts)Sorry, Collins. You could have taken your stand when you voted.
Afromania
(2,771 posts)What she really meant to say was, "I wonder what bribes I can extort for my vote."
onecaliberal
(32,939 posts)Doitnow
(1,103 posts)malthaussen
(17,219 posts)... she was playing coy for awhile, I heard somewhere they wrote a bribe into the bill, but I don't remember the context. She loves her reputation as a "reasonable" Republican, though.
Not that there is any such animal anymore.
-- Mal
Eyeball_Kid
(7,435 posts)GOPers may have only made a symbolic vote this past week. Collins, Corker, and even McCain may sink this brick. If the Senate can't break 49 votes, the entire bill goes down in flames.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,435 posts)While the bill is in Conference Committee, there's a better than even chance that Mueller will indict Kushner and Trumpy will go ballistic and attempt to fire Mueller. It won't work. But while that's happening, the GOPers will be testing the political winds and will notice that their chances of survival as a political party are in jeopardy if they continue with the tax giveaway bill. When push comes to shove, the GOPers will NOT pull the trigger on the gun that they're pointing to their own heads.
GOPers most want to mollify their donors by saying, "Yes, we really DID try to return your donation money in the form of tax giveaways. We REALLY DID TRY! Now keep showering us with more money and we'll try AGAIN during the next Congress!" It's the massive river of money that counts most. If GOPers can con their donors into keeping their money spigots open, then who cares whether the bill is passed or not?
yardwork
(61,729 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Yupster
(14,308 posts)You're just voting to get it on to the next step in the process.
What comes out of conference may have little similarity to what either the House or Senate passed. Then you have the tough vote where the actual bill is sitting in front of you to vote yes or no on.
hibbing
(10,110 posts)Chemisse
(30,819 posts)I am planning to retire in 2 years and this terrified me. The obvious next step is that they need to cut Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Susan Collins likes to pretend to be all mavericky like John McCain, but at the end of the day, she's just another Repuke senator who'll gladly screw America over so rich people can get richer.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)She knows she's in trouble this time.
not fooled
(5,803 posts)The pukes have shown their true colors. Even their most ardent dumbshit supporters can't defend this, except through willful ignorance.
I'm calling again tomorrow. As many puke senators as I can, plus my worthless House member.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,382 posts)called DC.
dalton99a
(81,649 posts)And then I'll vote yes
BumRushDaShow
(129,737 posts)GOP cuts taxes for the wealthy, the economy tanks (Raygun/Poppy), Democrats come in and have to clean up the mess on the backs of the federal civil service employees (Clinton), raising the tax back up again, and then a few years later, in comes another GOP ass to do the same thing again (Shrub), economy crashes through the floor, wash, rinse, repeat.... In comes Obama's clean up team, civil servants blown away again, economy back on track, and BAM! Another jackass in (Drumpf), wash, rinse, repeat.
not fooled
(5,803 posts)Although the baseline sinks lower and lower each time, for the 99% , while the 1% reap the rewards obtained by siphoning money up.
And this time it appears the pukes think they have the electoral system sufficiently rigged to ensure their reich. Which means that if a Democratic administration doesn't get the chance to fix things up this time, we are headed for a major depression.
We will see.
bluestarone
(17,091 posts)the closest thing about this whole fucking mess I AGREE
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)than the House, except for the mandate repeal. Among other differences. Will be interesting. Senate still has to thread the needle on reconciliation rules on final vote.
pangaia
(24,324 posts).
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)BootinUp
(47,206 posts)Thinks she can get good legislation? What a fucking joke.
She can fake clutch her pearls but she's already sold out.
The only good puke is one who just got voted out of office.
The present crew is a sick joke.
turbinetree
(24,735 posts)let me give you a fucking clue, my Social Security and Medicare is going to be cut to off-set the 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.
You want to see what comes out of committee, I can't write off my state and federal taxes, such as property, my mortgage is going to be capped at $10,000 dollars deduction............
You want to see what comes out of committee, scholarships are going to be treated as "earned income" and I can't write off the expense or as a deduction.........
You want to see what comes out of committee on deducting hospital bills?..............
Right now you can not write off the deduction of your hospital bill unless you paid out over 7.6% in medical costs on your earned total income--------------100,000 in earned income, must have over $7600.00 in medical costs----------
Let me give you a basic math issue here Collins, in 1950 taxes on "earned income" was taxed at 90%, that money paid for schools, roads, hospitals, etc........................
Today the "earned income" is taxed at 39.5% ----------------that 50% decrease in revenue creates a deficit in the budget, who and the fuck do you think took that 50% decrease money, not me, I'm still paying for scam in 2008 bank scam--------------- .
That 50% was given to fucking CEO's, to buy back stocks and inflate the value of the oligarchy value-------------it s called shuffling money around between to firms not building sh*t , you know a ponzi scheme-----------------
In 1986 Collins, they did this same shit, they took the Interest from credit cards and interest from car loans to pay off shit, and let the credit card companies and the banks, keep the profit off that earned interest without paying one single dime into the treasury, not one-------------------- .
We the public could not and did not get the same break as the banks on those deduction, it was a means to attack the middle class, while a loop hole was created to let this "pass through" operate as income for the credit card and banks loans without being taxed, but we got taxed because we lost the deduction on the "Interest".
Have you figured it out yet................................
You want to see whats in the final bill coming out of the committee--------------in 1971 there is law on the books for real estate developers that can write off a development and not pay one single penny ---------------look at the orange traitor in the WH, the taxpayers in New York paid his taxes, he used his development as a loss, to create income----------can I do that-----------nope-------------------
You voted Collin to rob the future of the country, you need tax revenue to survive and to operate under, taking it from the earned money such as Social Security and Medicare that is taxed at the end of the year will not support your fucking scam if you are going to rob from the treasury, or from education, etc.................your math doesn't add up---------------in fact it adds down-------------------everything in this country should be taxed on earned income at 70%, that means if some fucking corporation wants to hide that earned income in a island------------no matter where it is, if you have business in this country it should be counted as earned income. because those assholes that have that money off shore use it for collateral, to buy back stocks to inflate there value---------------
And you Collins want to see what comes out of the committee--------------prior to voting did you read the bill hot off the presses from the fucking lobbyists that wrote it------------your know the ALEC assholes, it was after all 490 pages and the senate only had 25 minutes to read it---------------------you and others of your ilk should be voted out of office, you put party over country, it's that simple ------------your a disgrace
THIS should not have gotten any votes to go to conference -------------it should have died the day Liza Murkowski and others where sitting in the senate presidents seat, rocking back and forth--------------selling out the middle class and creating DEATH PANELS
You knew lady that it would gut the Affordable Care Act and you still voted to attack the individual mandate and then come out and put on some fucking disingenuous smiley face saying that basically capitalist competition will drive the health market down----------------BS, that was tried once before it was the healthy against the sick, that is AYN RAND
kacekwl
(7,024 posts)Bingo.
riversedge
(70,362 posts)for the already rich and corporations.
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)And yet Pelosi was tossed to the wolves for saying that.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)When it pretty much was ...
ACA was not even close to being the same kind of last-minute, constructed behind closed doors, w/o the other party's input, and voted on 30 mins after a 500 page billed was dropped, mostly written by CORPORATIONS ... type of situation.
But your point is well-taken. It was supposedly the most evil thing that could ever happen in the wingnuts mind (what they mistakenly believed had happened, thanks to Pelosi's gaffe and the catapulted propaganda of Faux, et al at the time), but when THEIR GUYS do it ... SUCH BRILLIANCE!!!
F*** ALL OF THEM.
stopbush
(24,397 posts)FUCK YOU, SUSAN COLLINS!
Thunderbeast
(3,425 posts)Useful leverage. Collins is telling House to pass Senate bill without modification or the deal is off.
Still think she was conned into thinking that social programs will be protected by McConnel's promises. Marco Rubio made the only gleeful forecasts that I believe.
Progressive dog
(6,922 posts)She already "saw" the bill she voted for; she just didn't think it was necessary to even read it. much less to wait for an objective analysis.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,506 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)...not be re-elected after voting for this tax bill....
Guess we will see how much she enjoys being US Senator....or having it be her last term....
VMA131Marine
(4,158 posts)Garbage in, garbage out!
BigDemVoter
(4,157 posts)Susan Collins is a worthless, spineless dumb SHIT.
still_one
(92,479 posts)progree
(10,928 posts)about as likely as O.J. Simpson dedicating the remainder of his life to finding the real murderer(s).
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-tax-bill-accomplishes-major-obamacare-repeal-goal-073356031--business.html
What a goddam fucking idiot you are if you believe that
A second, co-authored by Collins and Democratic Senator Bill Nelson, would create an additional $4.5 billion fund to compensate insurers for covering health care for the sickest patients.
No health care expert thinks that is anywhere near enough for that
"Neither of these bills would do anything to offset the increase in uninsured resulting from a mandate repeal," said Larry Levitt, health economist at the Kaiser Family Foundation. "The marketplaces would limp along without a mandate but it's probably not a stable place."
still_one
(92,479 posts)Senate version, anyone who currently itemizes deductions, will most likely not only get a tax cut, but will pay more in taxes
progree
(10,928 posts)I think - up my something or other - is about what's going to get propped up. Along with trickle down.
still_one
(92,479 posts)progree
(10,928 posts)That and copayments and deductibles too, I bet.
still_one
(92,479 posts)Exemption means they will not get any tax cut, or paying more taxes
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Immense stress being heaped on American citizens freaking out over the daily battles and worries and grief of having to relentlessly battle one gawd awful terrorist party of their own government in order to be treated with decency and respect.
Too DAMN Late to try and rationalize the anti-humanity, anti-democracy, anti-citizen bullSHIT of every characterless proposal or bill coming from the desk/pens/mouths of republicans and their margin scribbling lobbyist punks.
Piss off.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)hatrack
(59,594 posts).
ananda
(28,888 posts)Just so smarmy.
riversedge
(70,362 posts)by some Repug leaders I assume. She is a fool to rely on promises of any Repug "leader".
....Collins said Sunday she received assurances that the Senate will pass additional legislation to mitigate the impact of the individual mandate repeal, and another "ironclad" commitment that there won't be cuts to Medicare and Medicaid
progree
(10,928 posts)Republican leaders busting their asses off to stabilize the ACA market is about as likely
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-tax-bill-accomplishes-major-obamacare-repeal-goal-073356031--business.html
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)They would never risk another vote in the Senate. The House will be "strongly encouraged" to pass the Senate version without amendments.
Skittles
(153,236 posts)YOU KNOW GOD DAMN WELL WHAT THEY WANT
Seriously, FUCK YOU
Vinca
(50,319 posts)maxrandb
(15,367 posts)Bullshit good cop routine.
You have a fucking "R" next to your name? You own this shitstain.
Go fuck yourself sideways with a hard cover first edition of Atlas Shrugged you worthless piece of amphibian shit.
I hope that the people of Maine throw your ass to the curb...no I hope you end up in jail with the rest of the criminal Retrumplican party
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)No one ever said Sue was a brainiac.
Solly Mack
(90,794 posts)Own your vote. You're a POS. You can stop pretending you're not now.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Sorry, it doesn't work for me.
malthaussen
(17,219 posts)Me? Not much. Sorry, madam, I believe you are a liar.
-- Mal
kwalter66
(80 posts)If the house decided to take up the senate bill as is for the sake of being able to say "look, we passed something", what she voted for WILL be the bill. And then she can act all shocked and surprised that she didn't know how the process works after 20 years in the senate.