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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:40 PM Dec 2017

Trump tweet on firing Flynn was authored by Trump's lawyer: report

Source: The Hill



BY BROOKE SEIPEL - 12/02/17 08:07 PM EST

President Trump's tweet Saturday saying he had fired Michael Flynn as national security adviser because he lied to Vice President Pence and the FBI was reportedly authored by Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd.

Two sources familiar with the tweet told The Washington Post Saturday that Dowd, Trump's chief counsel, had crafted the tweet. The White House has not yet made a statement about the tweet, but its authorship could change the tweet's pertinence in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian election meddling.

Trump early Saturday tweeted, "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies."

"It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!" he added.



Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362967-trump-tweet-on-firing-flynn-for-lying-to-fbi-was-authored-by-trumps



The Washington Post

Update: The Post is now reporting that the tweet was authored by Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd, according to two people familiar with the situation. The fact that Dowd authored the tweet could limit its salience to the investigation, but the White House still hasn't publicly corrected anything.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/02/trumps-first-tweet-about-michael-flynns-guilty-plea-could-be-a-problem-for-him/?utm_term=.8dbfb87fa614
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Trump tweet on firing Flynn was authored by Trump's lawyer: report (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
Suuuuuuure it was. Squinch Dec 2017 #1
tRump said/ Tweets it...he owns it. FarPoint Dec 2017 #73
The big kids made him do it, his grandmother made him do it, the dog peed on his homework. Squinch Dec 2017 #74
Ha. Yeah...right. Sienna86 Dec 2017 #2
Nuh-uh. There's the crime-fraud exception: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #6
Well..but They_Live Dec 2017 #12
rofl ! n/t jaysunb Dec 2017 #32
Lock the lawyer the hell up next to 45. forgotmylogin Dec 2017 #64
This redacted statement probably came from lawyer. FarPoint Dec 2017 #75
Then he's the dumbest lawyer in D.C., or maybe anywhere. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #3
It's all reeking of desperation. n/t mobeau69 Dec 2017 #7
Either the dumbest lawyer or the biggest hero who is trying to help set him up? Pachamama Dec 2017 #22
NO ONE gets NEAR Twitler's tweetophone. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #50
Trump hires the BEST people, the BEST. n/t spooky3 Dec 2017 #26
What a joke. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #4
Knew this was coming. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #5
Bullshit. This is an obvious attempt at damage control after numerous Tanuki Dec 2017 #8
Phrase: damage control. I was looking for a spot on phrase sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #70
(Thank you! Your kindness and prayers have meant more than you know. Tanuki Dec 2017 #80
Thanks be!! Will converse soon.💖 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #83
Trump has... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #9
I thought that immediately after seeing the tweet mdbl Dec 2017 #10
Looking at it now you might be right madville Dec 2017 #56
trump tweet johnnylol Dec 2017 #11
You've posted this at least twice now. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #16
Is there any reason not to use proper punctuation? More_Cowbell Dec 2017 #21
I didn't read your post. Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #76
Flynn could have told Dotard he lied or Dotard could have told Flynn to lie in the first place. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #31
Maybe Flynn told him what he'd told the FBI The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #42
Hey Attorney John Dowd! OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #13
LOL !! n/t jaysunb Dec 2017 #30
Bullshit. It matches his speech pattern. CakeGrrl Dec 2017 #14
What does it matter who they claim wrote it? It's the president's official device. He owns this. ffr Dec 2017 #15
Exactly. Dowd is apparently trying to do damage control The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #18
I have NO doubt Mueller is saving all his tweets NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #34
Right. KPN Dec 2017 #57
trump may be curled up under a wh desk..... getagrip_already Dec 2017 #17
According to the report, Dowd says he "crafted" the tweet, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #20
in that case... getagrip_already Dec 2017 #24
BS - scrambling to cover his butt Jarqui Dec 2017 #19
Can a lawyer lose his license rainin Dec 2017 #23
if his lawyer sent it... getagrip_already Dec 2017 #25
Legal malpractice at a minimum. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #43
If a lawyer writes a contract, and then you sign it, you are held responsible, not the lawyer. PubliusEnigma Dec 2017 #27
LOL !! No way... A lawyer w/ a license ? LOL n/t jaysunb Dec 2017 #28
Rep. Ted Lieu nailed it: DesertRat Dec 2017 #29
Yes, indeed. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #44
The Moron did it GOPricklepants Dec 2017 #33
Let's just put Mr.Dowd under oath and have him confirm that ... VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #35
Excellent suggestion. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #79
Easy to Verify - subpoena the IP address of the device that posted that Tweet Obvious85 Dec 2017 #36
in which case, he sent it and it doesn't matter who wrote it. KPN Dec 2017 #58
The replies on this thread have me laughing... BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #37
Horseshit LudwigPastorius Dec 2017 #38
So "John Miller has people pose as him on Twitter" is their defense? Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2017 #39
Either Trump's High Paid Lawyer Is Stupid Or He Is Taking One for the Team... TomCADem Dec 2017 #40
So his personal lawyer is going to fall on his sword and be called the sinkingfeeling Dec 2017 #41
But an attorney speaks for his client. It's as though his client is speaking. Period! George II Dec 2017 #46
That's even WORSE than trump authoring it. They're legal experts, and they still said it! George II Dec 2017 #45
Talk about fake news. *45 is a giant F Up. Pure and simple. JDC Dec 2017 #47
Great the Donald has a lawyer dumber than he is. No good lawyer would suggest his client tweet... marble falls Dec 2017 #48
Yeah, right. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #49
More lying. SHRED Dec 2017 #51
Yeah, that's the ticket C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #52
If it was, he has a really dumb lawyer. nt tblue37 Dec 2017 #53
So "Mr Authentic straight talker to the people" doesn't write his own tweets? Sad! Puppet!! TeamPooka Dec 2017 #54
It's either stupid or genius madville Dec 2017 #55
Fucking pisses me off how the media (even the WA Post in this case) gives KPN Dec 2017 #59
Yes, upon what evidence do they base their usage of "fact"? nt greyl Dec 2017 #68
Trump just loves to rub his ass in our faces, doesn't he? Midnight Writer Dec 2017 #60
This shows that they ARE scared. And that Trump is fucking up left and right. C Moon Dec 2017 #61
No! No! It was automatic writing by John Mitchell from Beyond . . . the Grave! NBachers Dec 2017 #62
Bullshit. Solly Mack Dec 2017 #63
So do the White House visitor logs indicate that John Dowd was in the WH when the tweets came out? NBachers Dec 2017 #65
Just the sort of thing a lawyer would do. Kablooie Dec 2017 #66
A lawyer would've known that the past tense to plead is pleaded, not pled. briv1016 Dec 2017 #67
Mmm hmm renate Dec 2017 #69
Time for Dowd to quit if Two Scoops authored it and blamed Dowd. QED Dec 2017 #71
Doesn't matter who wrote it. tRump approved it & tweeted it. Same goes for speeches. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #72
Trump hasn't disavowed a word of the tweet DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #77
I know we all have a right to legal representation randr Dec 2017 #78
It is Trumps Twitter account titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #81
So, the real Donald Trump twitter account is not really the real Donald Trump twitter account Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #82
This lawyer is an idiot and committed malpractice Gothmog Dec 2017 #84

FarPoint

(12,469 posts)
73. tRump said/ Tweets it...he owns it.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:11 AM
Dec 2017

Being advised is only taking in information to make an informed choice..

tRump chose poorly for himself.

Squinch

(51,059 posts)
74. The big kids made him do it, his grandmother made him do it, the dog peed on his homework.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:20 AM
Dec 2017

Wait... no it wasn't the dog peeing... someone was peeing...

I'm so confused!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
6. Nuh-uh. There's the crime-fraud exception:
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:49 PM
Dec 2017

According to the crime-fraud exception to the privilege, a client’s communication to his attorney isn’t privileged if he made it with the intention of committing or covering up a crime or fraud.

forgotmylogin

(7,539 posts)
64. Lock the lawyer the hell up next to 45.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:01 AM
Dec 2017

If he's tweeting as the President, one must assume it's with the President's blessing. 45 owns the words that come from @realDonaldTrump.

His fucking picture is next to it. It says REALDonaldTrump.



The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
3. Then he's the dumbest lawyer in D.C., or maybe anywhere.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:46 PM
Dec 2017

WTF? Anyhow, the words would have been approved by Orange Foolius, and he can't hide behind what a particularly dumb lawyer told him to say. All he would have had to tell Dowd is (assuming it's true), "No, I didn't fire Flynn because he lied to the FBI because I didn't know at the time that he'd done that." If he didn't know Flynn had lied to the FBI and that's why he fired him, why did he let Dowd draft a tweet that said he did? And why would Down have come up with a statement implicating his own client in an act of obstruction of justice? Lots of lying AND stupid shit happening here by both of them.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
22. Either the dumbest lawyer or the biggest hero who is trying to help set him up?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:13 PM
Dec 2017

Its seriously an incredible thought that any lawyer would be advising or allowing his or her client to be sending out such statements with their consent and advice.

If he isn't the stupidest lawyer around, then he's secretly operating to allow this to happen and hurry up the process of his eventual downfall. Or this lawyer would resign from the team.

Or its Jay Sekolow... which explains that it really is the dumbest lawyer around...

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
50. NO ONE gets NEAR Twitler's tweetophone.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:31 AM
Dec 2017

You'll have to pry that thing from his cold, dead hand. Has anyone once taken his phone away and tweeted something on it? Short answer: NO, and they never will.

madaboutharry

(40,238 posts)
4. What a joke.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:47 PM
Dec 2017

And Rosemary Woods erased the infamous 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes.

They probably have now pissed off Robert Mueller even more.

Tanuki

(14,926 posts)
8. Bullshit. This is an obvious attempt at damage control after numerous
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:50 PM
Dec 2017

attorneys pointed out that the tweet was an admission of attempting to obstruct justice if he knew that Flynn lied to the FBI but then pressed others to "go easy on him".

sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
70. Phrase: damage control. I was looking for a spot on phrase
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:37 AM
Dec 2017

describing what loopyman was attempting in futility to do.

(Y'all continually in my heart. Will PM you first chance. Forgive me; my life is currently an everyday lesson in straightening out messes.)

Tanuki

(14,926 posts)
80. (Thank you! Your kindness and prayers have meant more than you know.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:48 AM
Dec 2017

She is in good spirits and looking forward to a nice trip donated by the Make a Wish Foundation. I will PM details later).

madville

(7,412 posts)
56. Looking at it now you might be right
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:31 AM
Dec 2017

It looks like it was a prepared statement, not his usually structure.

 

johnnylol

(31 posts)
11. trump tweet
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:59 PM
Dec 2017

even michael isikoff does not believe trump knew at the time flynn lied to the fbi how could he know.. since white house council did not know... sally yates did not inform them.. what flynn said...

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
16. You've posted this at least twice now.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:06 PM
Dec 2017

No one really gives a shit what Spikey Isikoff says. The relevant date is when Flynn was fired, not when he perjured himself.

JFTR, it's impolite not to respond.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
21. Is there any reason not to use proper punctuation?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:12 PM
Dec 2017

I...never...read...posts...like....this.

Too annoying.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
42. Maybe Flynn told him what he'd told the FBI
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:07 PM
Dec 2017

and the two of them had a good chuckle, thinking Flynn had managed to pull the wool over their eyes.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
13. Hey Attorney John Dowd!
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:03 PM
Dec 2017

Remember the Rules of Evidence you supposedly learned back when you were a mere lad?

And while you're cogitating, remember the Rules of Professional Conduct?

Take your time. I hear that the Special Prosecutor is very patient.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
14. Bullshit. It matches his speech pattern.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:04 PM
Dec 2017

Someone's going to end up going to jail for him before long.

Does he have that much of a hold on people who work for him? And why?

ffr

(22,674 posts)
15. What does it matter who they claim wrote it? It's the president's official device. He owns this.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:04 PM
Dec 2017

I hope it's used against him. Just shows what a Dotard he is.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
18. Exactly. Dowd is apparently trying to do damage control
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:07 PM
Dec 2017

and he isn't good at it. Of course, doing damage control for Trump must be a real challenge. He must be the worst client ever.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
34. I have NO doubt Mueller is saving all his tweets
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:40 PM
Dec 2017

His account, he owns it. His idiot lawyer ought to know that.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
17. trump may be curled up under a wh desk.....
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:06 PM
Dec 2017

but if his lawyer tweeted this, why does his lawyer have his twiiter account, and why would he (not she) implicate him in a felony without a reference to represnting him?

It seems someone, in the capacity of counsel, either had no part in it or they just disbarred themselves. Lawyers can represent, but not impersonate, their clients.

Even with power of attorney, they have to identify themselves when representing their clients.

Felony as well.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
20. According to the report, Dowd says he "crafted" the tweet,
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:11 PM
Dec 2017

not necessarily that he actually had the phone in his hands and typed it in and sent it out. So maybe he recommended what Trump should tweet, and Trump followed his advice - he still fucked up, bigly, because he managed to implicate his big orange client in another act of obstruction of justice. Plus, even if he dictated the words, Orange Foolius would have done the actual tweeting, and therefore owns it.

Sorry, Mr. Dowd. You aren't helping.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
24. in that case...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:16 PM
Dec 2017

trump still is the author and responsible for content. his lawyer may have dictated it, but trump wrote and sent it. guilty by admission.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
23. Can a lawyer lose his license
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:16 PM
Dec 2017

for something like this, if he did this? Aren't they required to provide effective representation, or something like that? I wonder if the bar has an opinion about this.

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
25. if his lawyer sent it...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:18 PM
Dec 2017

he is responsible to sign it as his work. you can represent, but not impersonate your client. even with power of attorney, you have to sign your own name - not your clients.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
29. Rep. Ted Lieu nailed it:
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:30 PM
Dec 2017
Trump's folks are so freaked out by Trump's tweet that establishes Obstruction of Justice that they are trying to blame lawyer Dowd. If true, they should fire him for malpractice. But it doesn't absolve Trump. If lawyer drafts X & I say X, then I have adopted X as my own.


The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
44. Yes, indeed.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:17 PM
Dec 2017

If my lawyer advises me to say something and I say it, it's mine and I own it. If my lawyer advises me to say something spectacularly stupid that implicates me in the crime of obstruction of justice and I say it, it's still mine and I own it (but I can sue my lawyer for malpractice while I'm in prison).

GOPricklepants

(34 posts)
33. The Moron did it
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:36 PM
Dec 2017

It was Don the Con. He was alone on his throne and Rex Tillerson was right that he is a moron. Remember, John Dowd was the lawyer who forwarded an email that said that you couldn't be against General Lee and for General Washington after the Charlottesville protests. He doesn't mind being dumb and is showing his loyalty to the Con.

Obvious85

(259 posts)
36. Easy to Verify - subpoena the IP address of the device that posted that Tweet
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:48 PM
Dec 2017

Bet it came right from Trump's phone.

BigmanPigman

(51,644 posts)
37. The replies on this thread have me laughing...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:48 PM
Dec 2017

Thanks to all of you since I needed a good laugh, not a sarcastic "HA!" like I do when I hear a right wing pundit. Clever, witty, sharp...I think I will read them again.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
39. So "John Miller has people pose as him on Twitter" is their defense?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:51 PM
Dec 2017

Remember, Spicey and Sarah Hucksterbee have said Trump Tweets are "official presidential statements."

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
40. Either Trump's High Paid Lawyer Is Stupid Or He Is Taking One for the Team...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:57 PM
Dec 2017

...and he will claim privilege if anyone tries to investigate whether Dowd really has control over of Trump's twitter account.

sinkingfeeling

(51,483 posts)
41. So his personal lawyer is going to fall on his sword and be called the
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:07 PM
Dec 2017

stupidest attorney in history to protect 45 from his self incrimination? Wow, that's really good.

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. That's even WORSE than trump authoring it. They're legal experts, and they still said it!
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:35 PM
Dec 2017
O B S T R U C T I O N O F J U S T I C E ! ! ! !

marble falls

(57,397 posts)
48. Great the Donald has a lawyer dumber than he is. No good lawyer would suggest his client tweet...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:00 AM
Dec 2017

on a case his client is facing let alone do it himself. They'd hire a PR firm to plants those anonymously or through a third party, maybe.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
49. Yeah, right.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:28 AM
Dec 2017

Twitler knows he fupped duck and is trying to pass the blame, as always. He never takes responsibility for any of his actions. Assclown!

madville

(7,412 posts)
55. It's either stupid or genius
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:30 AM
Dec 2017

I can't tell which. Stupid if it was all an unintentional blunder and CYA. Genius if they actually planned it to be able to cast doubt on certain Tweets actually coming from Trump.

KPN

(15,668 posts)
59. Fucking pisses me off how the media (even the WA Post in this case) gives
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:47 AM
Dec 2017

Trump the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, e.g.
"The fact that Dowd authored the tweet could limit its salience to the investigation, but the White House still hasn't publicly corrected anything."

Midnight Writer

(21,819 posts)
60. Trump just loves to rub his ass in our faces, doesn't he?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:14 AM
Dec 2017

What scares me is he has supporters. Not just casual "I vote Republican cause Dad did" supporters. He has millions of people that actually worship the Man.

He has been telling us all along exactly what he is doing, what he wants to do, and the people he wants to do it to, and folk still think this is exactly what our country needs.

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
66. Just the sort of thing a lawyer would do.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:25 AM
Dec 2017

Lawyers are always posting statements incriminating their client in their client's private Twitter accounts.

That's law school 101. Do everything you can to get your client convicted.

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So I wonder if Trump will fire John Dowd now just to try and make it look real?

Dowd would certainly be disbarred if he had done that.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
67. A lawyer would've known that the past tense to plead is pleaded, not pled.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:20 AM
Dec 2017

Oh, and the whole not admitting [in writing] to a federal crime thing.

renate

(13,776 posts)
69. Mmm hmm
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:18 AM
Dec 2017

Because Trump is known for running his tweets past his lawyers, or having them "craft" them.

randr

(12,417 posts)
78. I know we all have a right to legal representation
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:42 AM
Dec 2017

But when you defend a traitor by lying for them you need to be prosecuted and held accountable.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
81. It is Trumps Twitter account
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:53 AM
Dec 2017

The tweet says "I" which represents Trumps words. I don't think a he said/she said will work here.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
82. So, the real Donald Trump twitter account is not really the real Donald Trump twitter account
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

they have been lying the whole time

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