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Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 04:44 AM Sep 2017

Antisemitic robbers target Jewish family near Paris

Source: The Guardian

A Jewish family was beaten, held hostage and robbed in their home near Paris because of their religion, French authorities and anti-hate groups said on Sunday.

Three attackers burst into the house in the Paris suburb of Livry-Gargan late on Thursday, cut off the electricity and confined three members of a Jewish family, beating them and threatening to kill them, until one of them managed to escape and alert the police, said antisemitism watchdog BNVCA.

It said the assailants told the three victims: “You are Jews, you have money. We take money from Jews to give to the poor.”

One of the victims was Roger Pinto, the 78-year-old head of Siona, an association “defending the Jewish people and the state of Israel,” Pinto’s lawyer, Marc Bensimon, said.

Pinto was kicked several times in the head and throat, Bensimon said. The other two victims were Pinto’s wife, who managed to sound the alarm, and Pinto’s son.


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/11/antisemitic-robbers-target-jewish-family-near-paris



Gee, attacking Jews because "they have money", it is almost as if people think there is a link to Jews and money, which is why we hear "their religion is money" is an acceptable form of attack for certain Jews.
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Antisemitic robbers target Jewish family near Paris (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 OP
They should get out of that country. Rustyeye77 Sep 2017 #1
What choice did France make years ago? I don't understand uppityperson Sep 2017 #9
Any info about the attackers? oberliner Sep 2017 #2
Contact the Guardian and ask. Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #3
Was that the only news outlet that covered this? oberliner Sep 2017 #4
Surprising that leftynyc Sep 2017 #5
Others covered it. Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #15
Don't you know that EVERY Jew leftynyc Sep 2017 #16
I am starting to wonder where it IS safe for Jews. Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 #17
That's a good leftynyc Sep 2017 #19
The BBC and AP have reported it too muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #6
The absence of discription MosheFeingold Sep 2017 #7
Two of the 3 were wearing masks; some reports describe them all as black muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #10
Nothing, of course MosheFeingold Sep 2017 #11
You assume it's "self-censorship"; but many reports don't mention the masks either muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #12
If they knew the age, it should be reported, yes MosheFeingold Sep 2017 #14
It is depressing that meme has endured for centuries karynnj Sep 2017 #8
French Trump enthusiasts? jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #13
Hating on Jews has been leftynyc Sep 2017 #18

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
15. Others covered it.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 04:49 PM
Sep 2017

What is "surprising" is how some have forgotten how Google works, given that LBN doesn't require multiple sources, just the one. Also, "surprising" is the 'concern' about something not in the story as opposed to the actual story itself. Makes me wonder what the actual implication is, such as, maybe the story isn't real. Of course, as always, like the rising of the sun, some can never just condemn anti-Semitism without a "shoutout" to Israel.

The more things change...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Don't you know that EVERY Jew
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 04:56 PM
Sep 2017

on the entire planet is responsible for EVERYTHING that Israel does? That family should have left France years ago. It's not safe for Jews there.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
17. I am starting to wonder where it IS safe for Jews.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 04:57 PM
Sep 2017

Anti-Semitism is ramping up all over the world, and most don't give two shits, unless it allows them to criticize Israel or attack the right.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
7. The absence of discription
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:43 AM
Sep 2017

Is an interesting omission, and quite stupid.

I know the reason, as do you. Media has taken upon itself the duty to not disclose the race or religion of certain perpetrators on the theory that disclosing that feeds into anti-Islam (or whatever) feelings or discrimination. That's a noble goal, but the theory failed in practice.

Now, every time, basic demographic information is not disclosed people say "oh, so these must be [insert most stereotypical perp here]."

I do it, and don't want to. And sadly, I'm almost always correct.

It makes me mistrust the media and wonder what else they are not disclosing for the common good.

Summary: good idea; noble purpose. Doesn't work.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
10. Two of the 3 were wearing masks; some reports describe them all as black
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 12:56 PM
Sep 2017

eg http://forward.com/fast-forward/382261/french-jewish-family-savagely-beaten-at-home-in-anti-semitic-assault/

So, now you know. Of course, English-language newspapers that publish in different countries giving out descriptions is pretty useless anyway, but now you know, what are you going to do with your information?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
11. Nothing, of course
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 01:01 PM
Sep 2017

Except be fully informed. I'm on a different continent and the last time I was in France, it was filled with Nazis. I couldn't do anything if I wanted.

That said, I'm a big boy and have been since 1942. I'm not (nor is anyone) going to be made more or less racist by newspapers printing basic facts of an incident: who, what, when, where, and how.

Again, noble idea. It doesn't work however. To the contrary, self-censorship is counterproductive.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
12. You assume it's "self-censorship"; but many reports don't mention the masks either
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 01:12 PM
Sep 2017

and it's very common for reports of crimes to not give a description of the suspects. I notice you didn't comment on the 'non-reporting' of their age in the OP. Do you assume that was self-censorship too?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
14. If they knew the age, it should be reported, yes
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 03:14 PM
Sep 2017

And if they don't know basics, they should say "don't know X" or "Y wasn't released" or words to that import.

Who, what, when, where, and why are the fundamentals of journalism.

Just the facts. It's not that hard.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
8. It is depressing that meme has endured for centuries
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 12:33 PM
Sep 2017

This story may bear watching as the story seems somewhat odd. In later posts, there are articles saying the police are investigating. This story is extremely disturbing and it sounds like it could have been much worse.

In light of that, it is even more startling that some right wing Israelis have been using that same meme, which has brought so much pain to Jews, to attack Jews - such as Soros. Even the Prime Minister's office retracted the critisism of Israel's own Hungarian ambassador when the existing right wing Hungarian PM put up antisemtic posters attacking Soros.

From Haaretz:

At the behest of the Prime Minister’s Office, the Foreign Ministry on Sunday retracted a statement issued the previous day by the Israeli ambassador to Hungary, which had called on Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and his party to halt a poster campaign against Jewish-American financier George Soros on the grounds that it was fueling anti-Semitism.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon issued a clarification that refrained from criticizing Orbán but also sharply criticized Soros himself, using claims similar to the ones being made against him by the Hungarian government.

“Israel deplores any expression of anti-Semitism in any country and stands with Jewish communities everywhere in confronting this hatred. This was the sole purpose of the statement issued by Israel’s ambassador to Hungary,” the statement said. “In no way was the statement meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.800437

One would think that they could have let the ambassador's statement stand and simply state that the ambassador's statement does not imply any support of Soros, but that Israel needs to deplore ALL expressions of anti-Semitism even against Jews the current government disagrees strongly with.

Sadder still and proving the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Netanyahu's adult son, who has been grooming for future leadership, himself posted an anti-semitic cartoon that the left leaning Haaretz called him on after he was praised by David Duke! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/10/netanyahus-son-posts-classic-anti-semitic-meme-drawing-praise-from-neo-nazis/?utm_term=.ed1dc4022be2

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
13. French Trump enthusiasts?
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 01:13 PM
Sep 2017

Then again, no Trump supporter would ever take anything from anyone of any religion and give it to the poor.

That said, after reading reading a description of the perps above, I'd wager this was probably an isolated incident. Hopefully the authorities will capture these thieves and punish them to the full extent of the law.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Hating on Jews has been
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 04:58 PM
Sep 2017

fashionable since long before degenerate donnie has been infesting the white house. Isolated incident? If only.

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