Kasich, Hickenlooper eye joint 2020 bid

[brooklynite]

Source: Axios

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) — "the Johns," as insiders are calling them — have been making a flurry of joint appearances to talk about state-driven improvements to health care.

But Axios has learned that their duet is part of an alliance that's gaining momentum toward a possible joint independent bid for president in 2020, likely with Kasich at the top of the ticket:

The two, who got to know each other at conferences, plan to extend their joint platform from health care to two other hot policy areas: immigration and job creation.

On health care (with a detailed plan to be released soon), the two have broadened their efforts to a bipartisan group that includes 11 governors.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/wsj-turns-on-trump-2434505165.html

[Blue_Adept]

1. Kasich's a voice of sanity in an insane world

But he's still much farther to the right than any Democrat should ever entertain. He's essentially the same as most of the others that ran in the Republican primaries in 2016.

[hlthe2b]

2. I like Hickenlooper, agree with most (but not all) he's done in Coloraado, but he's quite centrist

and Kasich is a classical traditional Republican. I don't think he's all that moderate.

Granted, after Trump, nearly any alternative looks good, but....

[virtualobserver]

3. That sounds horrible.

Kasich can seem reasonable, but he isn't.

[Ninga]

4. No! no! And NO! I live in Ohio. Kasich has taken away funding, devastated every community and

school district.

He is a don't do as I do, do as I say nut job. No!

[melm00se]

5. What you might be seeing here

is a nascent 3rd, centrist, party.

Objectively, far left and the far right constituents have gained some control and influence of their respective parties (as evidenced by the populations of Saunders and Trump supporters). These constituencies have shifted their parties away from the quietly powerful and numerous American center and the sleeping giant may be awakening.

A successful centrist party will immediately minimize the political power and influence the extremes at both ends of the political spectrum and will create quite the howling here and at that other site at the other end of the political spectrum.

[brooklynite]

13. Kasich is not what I'd call a centrist...

...and once again, running a Presidential ticket doesn't lay any of the groundwork for an effective third Party (see: Green Party, Reform Party).

[inwiththenew]

6. That ticket is DOA

2016 demonstrated that Kasich has very little National support from Republicans and adding a pro gun control governor to the ticket won't help him among Republicans.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

7. Hell to the fuck NO!

[Javaman]

8. kasich is normal crazy. but appears sane next to the orange outpatient.

don't be fooled, kasich has a run of cruelty in him.

[yellowcanine]

9. I am afraid this would hand reelection to Trump.

Kasich might drain off enough moderate Republican, Independent, and Democratic votes that Trump would have a plurality in enough states to get to 270.

[Botany]

10. Kasich is a founding member of ALEC

n/t

[dalton99a]

17. +1

[Plucketeer]

11. IF.....

this <ahem!> administration were to survive to twenty-twenty, there'll be NO elections - none that matter anyways.

[SharonClark]

12. What silliness - a rightist Republican and a centrist Democratic

Can't imagine what their platform would include, besides healthcare, and who would support them.

[dajoki]

14. Absolutely not!!

[socialist_n_TN]

15. I think that this is the way things are trending..........

We have two parties now straining to keep their members within the same book, much less on the same page. Eventually the strains become too much and they both split into far-right, right, center-right and left. From there the right and center-right merge into some sort of "center" party (the Demopublicans? ) The right party goes full fascist. And the left turns into a true "labor" party.

[Dopers_Greed]

16. So if this were to succeed...

We'd likely end up with:

-A filibuster-proof majority Republican Senate (The anti-Trump vote would get sucked up by this ticket, giving the Dems less straight party down-ballot votes).

-A Republican President, with "moderate" VP

-A huge conservative majority on the Supreme Court by 2024

Sounds like a shit sandwich to me.

[politicat]

18. Hick is okay for a western states Dem. Just okay.

But there's no good way to make this ticket work. Put Hick in the VP, and he's completely useless. Put Kasich in the VP, and you paint a target on Hick because some nutjob will want that Dem stink out, be that nutjob a shooter or in Congress. Neither will be able to get anything done with congress, because they'll both be seen as collaborators with the enemy. By trying to be the middleman, they'll make both sides distrust them.

Hick ends up being okay on reproductive rights because Colorado has a huge legal history of preventing violent and aggressive protests, and protecting all medical rights. Same with voting rights, for the most part. Hick gets to be pretty liberal looking thanks to that history, not thanks to anything specific he's done. Kasich, OTOH, has proven he's objectively awful on just about every metric; he just looks good when he's graded on the curve set by Tangerine Palpatine and his Klown Kar of Krazy Ko-Konspirators.

If they want a functional third party, they need to start at the local level, not at the top. We're not France; I don't think we can pull off a Macron here.

[xxqqqzme]

19. Kasich has been positioning himself

as a centrist but he isn't. He has been whiny of king con. But he's only talking the talk.

[msongs]

20. hey they can run on the Our Revolution ticket nt