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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:37 AM Aug 2017

'Violence is coming': GOP senator predicts bloodshed after Trump's bungled Charlottesville response

Source: RawStory


BOB BRIGHAM
19 AUG 2017 AT 11:09 ET

Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE) expressed his fear of more bloodshed in a frightening 1,300-word Facebook post titled, “The Next Charlottesville.”

“I expect that violence will come when white supremacists and the alt-right fight anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left,” Sen. Sasse predicted. “It feels like violence is coming.”

The Nebraska Republican received immediate criticism for such a “both sides” perspective, where the KKK is put on an equal moral plane with those resisting white supremacy.






Sasse recounted a prediction he heard from a Trump supporter of a “powder keg” of violence coming from the right. “To be clear, I think the alt-Right are a bunch of a**holes and we should admit that the president has done a bad job getting us through this,” one middle-aged Trump supporter told Sasse.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/violence-is-coming-gop-senator-predicts-bloodshed-after-trumps-bungled-charlottesville-response/



Here's the Senator's FB post:

Senator Ben Sasse
14 hrs ·

THE NEXT CHARLOTTESVILLE

Over the last week, many Nebraskans have told me some version of this: ?“There are lots of us here who are ?scared about where the country is headed. I think more violence is inevitable." That much seems obvious. Less expected was where some of them went next.

One of my constituents, a fairly energetic Trump supporter and a middle-aged man, told me:
**"To be clear, I think the alt-Right are a bunch of a**holes."?

**"And we should admit that the President has done a bad job getting us through this."

**But "when the next rounds of violence come, I'll bet you most of it will come from the left."

**"And then some folks I know will respond in kind. It's gonna be a powder-keg."

My wife and I work hard to have chunks of family time that are "politics-free" in our home, but we haven't been very successful this week. A few observations from our family tabletalk:

1. We have neglected the American Idea for a very long time. We haven't done civics well in this country for decades, and we are reaping the consequences. We are a hollow people. We have "a whole lot of pluribus and very little unum," to quote Ken Burns.

2. America is first and foremost an Idea – that all people are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights. This universal human dignity is because God made us; it's not because of our race, or our wealth, or even our religious beliefs, as important as disagreements about theology are.

3. White supremacy and racism are un-American, period.

4. The heartbreak in Charlottesville was the fault of the ?white supremacists. Heather Heyer was murdered by an act of terrorism. The driver used his car to target public marchers.

5. Sadly, I think that the pessimistic Nebraskans I've been with this week are right that there will be more violence toward public assemblies in the future.

6. I expect that violence will come when white supremacists and the alt-right fight anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left. ?

7. What will happen next? I doubt that Donald Trump will be able to calm and comfort the nation in that moment. He (and lots of others) will probably tell an awful combination of partial truths and outright falsehoods. On top of the trust deficits that are already baked so deeply in, unity will be very hard to come by.

8. Besides ability and temperament, I also worry that national unity will be unlikely because there are some whispering in the President's ear that racial division could be good politics for them.

9. I worry that some on the left are also going to salivate over these divisions. Like the President's ear-whisperers, they see a divided nation as good for their political objectives.

10. Bizarrely, many on the center-left seem not to see that there is little that some on the President's team would love more than to transform this into a fight about historical monuments.

11. I wish more folks understood how many of the monuments now being debated are not really from the post-Civil War period as a way to remember war dead. Rather, contrary to popular understanding, many of these statues were explicitly erected as Segregation Monuments in the twentieth century, during Jim Crow, as a way of shouting – against the American Idea – that public spaces were to be whites-only spaces. Tragically, many of these monuments were erected exactly when lynchings of black Americans were being celebrated in those communities – and the timing overlap here was not accidental. (It's also worth noting that Gen. Robert E. Lee had opposed erecting Confederate Memorials because he worried, wisely, that they would become scabs of bitterness to be endlessly picked at.)

12. But I'm also against mobs tearing down the statues, or city governments removing them in the middle of the night. That doesn't advance the civics discussion and debates we need; it just exacerbates the unhelpful "on both sides" grievance culture. Rather, we need an orderly debate about such monuments.

13. Every single place I've been this week, I've gotten a question like this:

**"Washington and Jefferson owned slaves; do we have to tear down their statues too?"

**"Explorer X didn't treat native Americans the way he should have; do we abandon states west of the Appalachian Trail?"

**"Even Tom Osborne isn't a saint; must we tear down the statute outside Lincoln's Memorial Stadium?"

The people asking these questions (over and over and over) are not racist. Rather they're perplexed by the elite indifference to their fair questions – about the "unnaming" movement now unfolding at Yale, for example. Most of these folks voted for Trump, to be sure, but many quietly admit to being dissatisfied with his leadership. But they have ZERO uncertainty about a choice between a Trump who would defend statues of Washington and Jefferson, and a national media elite who they assume would not defend monuments to Washington and Jefferson. That's the divide many here are seeing and hearing. ?

?14. The white supremacists from Charlottesville now feel emboldened. They’re headed to another city sometime soon – with the express purpose of spreading their hateful rhetoric and inciting violence. This is the most attention they've received in years.

15. Tragically, there are some who want violence. Most Americans see the images from Charlottesville and our hearts break. We yearn for leaders, who raise high the exceptional American Idea of universal human dignity. But there are others who want to see these divisions exacerbated — not only the extremists on the ground but also some cable news executives who jump at division and know that what’s bad for America is good for ratings.

16. There is so much more nuance and texture inside local communities than broad-brush national "Crossfire"-like journalism usually distinguishes. One example from Nebraska right now: There seems to be a major gap on race issues between two types of generally Trump-supporting Republicans. Among more frequent church-goers, there is a lot more sadness and worry right now, whereas among more secular conservatives there seems to be a lot more "let's fight." I could be wrong, but that's been my repeated experience this week.

BEFORE THE NEXT OUTBREAK OF VIOLENCE COMES

We have a glorious heritage in the American Idea, but we have neglected it at our kids’ peril.
This is the right time for each of us – parents and grandparents, neighbors and patriots – to pause and teach our kids again about universal human dignity and about love of neighbor. This is a time for discussion and education and humility, not intimidation and mobs and midnight wrecking balls. ?

Let’s teach our kids why our First Amendment Society fights with debate, not violence. Let’s teach them that those standing in threatening mobs don’t stand with America. Let’s teach them that white supremacy is a cancer to our union. Let’s teach them to reject identity politics. Let's teach them that all of us are created equal, with infinite dignity and limitless potential. Let’s teach them that what makes us Americans is not our skin, our wealth, or our religion but our shared creed. ?

That creed, ironically, was put to paper most profoundly by a very fallen slave-holder, who spoke for the long-term future of America in writing that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights…” We eventually went to war to preserve a creedal “government of the people, by the people, for the people.” And that creed eventually perfected our union from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama, with the proclamation that “?the goal of America is freedom.”

It feels like violence is coming. I'm not sure if this moment is like the summer of '67 or not. But it might be. Before that violence strikes again, it’s up to us to reaffirm that exceptional American Creed again today, with our neighbors, and in our kids' hearts.

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSasse/posts/1356425404455401
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'Violence is coming': GOP senator predicts bloodshed after Trump's bungled Charlottesville response (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
We killed six million Jews the last time, he answered. Eleven million is nothing. keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #1
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #2
Thanks for mulling it over for us, Senator, you idiot. Judi Lynn Aug 2017 #3
If it does "come," he should be arrested. sandensea Aug 2017 #4
What happens when you seriously piss people off! yallerdawg Aug 2017 #5
Assee hole Podkayne K Aug 2017 #6
Hey Sasse, your a complete ass turbinetree Aug 2017 #7
I think Boston is showing pretty clearly where this is going Egnever Aug 2017 #8
If there is more violence the blood will be on his hands Blue Idaho Aug 2017 #9
Stroke, stroke Corgigal Aug 2017 #10
Do the Republicans ever say anything different - EVER? FakeNoose Aug 2017 #11
The monuments and an orderly debate. crosinski Aug 2017 #12
"when the next rounds of violence comes, I'll bet you most of it will come from the left" red dog 1 Aug 2017 #13
Great post red dog 1! montana_hazeleyes Aug 2017 #15
Thanks red dog 1 Aug 2017 #22
Sounds like a pitch to sell more guns, Canoe52 Aug 2017 #14
Trying gilligan Aug 2017 #16
So much for hipster haircut gone horribly wrong Sasshole representing "thoughtful, intelligent GOP" stuffmatters Aug 2017 #17
The idea the left is full of 'anarchists' is just total boilerplate baloney bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #18
First thing that struck me in his post. hibbing Aug 2017 #20
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR nocalflea Aug 2017 #19
He is SO FULL OF SHIT!!! What an asshole!!! Let me address 1of the so-called questions... AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #21

keithbvadu2

(37,014 posts)
1. We killed six million Jews the last time, he answered. Eleven million is nothing.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

from the folks who had a 'permit' in Charlottesville.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article167939222.html

“We killed six million Jews the last time,” he answered. “Eleven million is nothing.”

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. What happens when you seriously piss people off!
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:56 AM
Aug 2017

Lady at the Boston Commons: "They like to call us precious snowflakes? Yeah, lots of snowflakes are called an avalanche!"

Angry man protecting MAGA supporter: "Let them have their fucking speeches! Their bullshit will disappear in the bright sunshine today!! Look around! WE WON!!!"



Podkayne K

(145 posts)
6. Assee hole
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:58 AM
Aug 2017

Ben assee, another repuke coward scared shitless of Trump, now produces a menacing statement--just like his Furher-- threatening violence and justifying it by blaming both sides. Sort of like blaming all those Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, who rose up against the Nazi's, for violence against a fine 'ole" group of thugs and lowlifes, men who were there simply to liberate those under privledged shtetl dwellers from their squalid homes and neighborhood.

What a guy you are mr. assee! If anyone exemplifies the Vanishing American Adult, it's assee and all his fellow repukican Senators.

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
7. Hey Sasse, your a complete ass
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:59 AM
Aug 2017

you confirmed people in this administration that support racism, in one form or another, where were your "principles" then?




 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. I think Boston is showing pretty clearly where this is going
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:48 PM
Aug 2017

Over whelming force.

You side is wrong Congress critter it is out umbered massively. There will be very little violence and when it does come it will come from the unhinged portion of your base you have been pandering to. As they become more and more alienated by the vast majority of this great nation,like the cowards they are they will attack people with their cars and in the dead of night.

Boston is showing you this country will not stand for this Nazi bullshit .

Blue Idaho

(5,065 posts)
9. If there is more violence the blood will be on his hands
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:51 PM
Aug 2017

And the hands of every single elected Republican. They have been fanning the flames of racism as a political strategy for more than a decade. Their complete failure to denounce Trump is just the icing on the cake. A political party that can't find the moral courage to denounce fascism and Nazis doesn't deserve to exist. They belong in the rubbish bin of history.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
10. Stroke, stroke
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:04 PM
Aug 2017

That sweet fear, senator. Nebraska, adorable. They are coming into blue areas, so you're way down on the list.

Thanks for playing, but it's not about you.

FakeNoose

(32,854 posts)
11. Do the Republicans ever say anything different - EVER?
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017


From the people of Boston - resist all racists everywhere!

crosinski

(413 posts)
12. The monuments and an orderly debate.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:38 PM
Aug 2017

I've known why those statues were put there for so long I can't remember when I learned why. I'm not sure I was even told specifically. Pretty sure I just picked it up from conversations with like minded people.

Guess I'm trying to say that a whole lot of us already had that debate, and we're tired of waiting for everyone else to work it out. There comes a time when you have to take that next step, even if you have people hanging on trying to slow you down. I think this might be one of those times. Conservatives are just terrified to move into the future with us.

Maybe conservative states are sort of like political change predictors, and the more panicky the population gets, the closer we are to having a big liberal swing. If you could stick a Conserv-O-Meter in Nebraska, I bet it'd read somewhere between 'RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!' and 'APOCALYPSE!!!'

red dog 1

(27,903 posts)
13. "when the next rounds of violence comes, I'll bet you most of it will come from the left"
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:41 PM
Aug 2017

More bullshit from Sen. Sasse:

"It feels like violence is coming. I'm not sure if this moment is like the summer of '67 or not.
But it might be."

"I expect that violence will come when white supremacists and the alt-right fight anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left."

"Extreme left"?
Who, exactly are the "extreme left," Sasse.
Was Heather Heyer part of the "extreme left"?
Were the other 19 people injured by white supremacist James Alex Fields' van in Charlottesville part of the "extreme left"?

Could it be, Sasse, that the "extreme left" you talk about are mostly paid agent provocateurs?

"agent provocateur' - as defined by the Collins English Dictionary:
"An agent provocateur is a person who is employed by the government or the police to encourage certain groups of people to break the law, so they can arrest them or make them lose public support....Agent provocateurs may seek to discredit the opposition"

"Extreme left"???
The so-called "extreme left" are nothing but cowardly anarchists and paid agent provocateurs who wear black masks, incite violence, break windows, turn over police cars and engage in other forms of violence, oftentimes following behind peacefully marching, non-violent protesters in order to discredit them.

"Anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left"??
I say: BULLSHIT!
Anarchist groups ARE the "extreme left"
Some are paid agent provocateurs, some are just stupid self-styled "anarchists"

Heather Heyer wasn't part of any "extreme left"..and neither were 99 percent of the other peaceful protesters in Charlottexville.

You, Sasse, and your leader, Herr Drumpf, want to label ALL the Charlottesville anti-white supremacist protesters as "extreme left".... similar to what Hitler did 80 years ago!

Here's what I'd like to say to you, Sasse.
Here's what I'd like to say to you, President Twitler.
Here's what I'd like to say to you, Pence, Kelly, Sessions, Kushner, Eddie Munster, Turtle-Man, and ALL the other GOP Trumpsters:
GO BACK TO HELL WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!

"Violence is coming!"??
No, Sasse, Violence is already HERE!
And the control center for this violence is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C.

gilligan

(194 posts)
16. Trying
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 03:50 PM
Aug 2017

to be the good caring thoughtful Republican.
Because he's trying to sell his book.
That's full of B.S.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
17. So much for hipster haircut gone horribly wrong Sasshole representing "thoughtful, intelligent GOP"
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:14 PM
Aug 2017

And, thanks as always, Ben, for letting us know what the Koch Brothers think.

bucolic_frolic

(43,451 posts)
18. The idea the left is full of 'anarchists' is just total boilerplate baloney
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:49 PM
Aug 2017

The left believes in power devolved to the people, for community, for economic and racial equality. These are not
bomb-throwing Red Brigades. They use power to make social fabric, to lift all, not just for self-aggrandizement.

hibbing

(10,112 posts)
20. First thing that struck me in his post.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 02:12 AM
Aug 2017

Just who are these "anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left"? I can't decide which of my two senator's is the dumbest, him or the other.

Peace

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
19. "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:57 AM
Aug 2017

"It feels like violence is coming" -some guy , don't recall his name.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
21. He is SO FULL OF SHIT!!! What an asshole!!! Let me address 1of the so-called questions...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 06:52 PM
Aug 2017

First of all, Washington and Jefferson were not around during civil war times. They are the founders of the U.S. and yes they were slave owners. But no one is saying that slavery did not exist or is trying to erase its history.

But WHEN THE TIME CAME for the abolishment of slavery, the Southern States and its players failed. They failed morally and lost in their TREASONOUS acts against the United States of America. So why should there be statues in their commemoration? They are NOT heroes.

By this reasoning, if we are going to have statues of every person in American history, we should have a statue of Bin Laden, right? B/C that fucker played a big part in our history.

Want statues? I can think of thousands of everyday heroes far more deserving than the treasonous likes of the confederates.

But stop with the BULLSHIT excuses to prop up people who fought to keep the establishment of slavery.

Just stop with the BULLSHIT excuses. We can see through the thin facade right to the racism that is at its core. That would include you, Mr. Sasse! POS.....

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