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The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:22 AM Aug 2017

Vladimir's Venezuela - Leveraging loans to Caracas, Moscow snaps up oil assets

Source: Reuters

Caracas/Houston (Reuters) - Venezuela’s unraveling socialist government is increasingly turning to ally Russia for the cash and credit it needs to survive – and offering prized state-owned oil assets in return, sources familiar with the negotiations told Reuters.

As Caracas struggles to contain an economic meltdown and violent street protests, Moscow is using its position as Venezuela’s lender of last resort to gain more control over the OPEC nation’s crude reserves, the largest in the world.

Venezuela's state-owned oil firm, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), has been secretly negotiating since at least early this year with Russia's biggest state-owned oil company, Rosneft (ROSN.MM) - offering ownership interests in up to nine of Venezuela's most productive petroleum projects, according to a top Venezuelan government official and two industry sources familiar with the talks.

Moscow has substantial leverage in the negotiations: Cash from Russia and Rosneft has been crucial in helping the financially strapped government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro avoid a sovereign debt default or a political coup.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-russia-oil-specialreport-idUSKBN1AR14U



The fact that the US hasn't had a functioning State Department ever since Rexxon Tillerson was installed as SoS is paying major dividends for Russia. USA is hands-off Venezuela, while Rosneft is hands-on. Geopolitics at its finest...
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Vladimir's Venezuela - Leveraging loans to Caracas, Moscow snaps up oil assets (Original Post) The_jackalope Aug 2017 OP
Venezuela is a money pit. They were barely solvent when oil prices were through the roof nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #1
Russia is a sucker if they do that deal FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #2
The Russians will collect. That's the difference. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #5
Vlady snapping up oil all over the world looks like he wants us to be DK504 Aug 2017 #3
Hold the fuck on Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #4
I guess Russia wants Venezuelan oil more than the US does. The_jackalope Aug 2017 #6
Don't discount the ferocity of a Canadian scorned! FrodosNewPet Aug 2017 #16
If there's one thing that Rex Tillerson knows about, it's oil markets, assets, and leverage. Calista241 Aug 2017 #13
So, essentially now it's Venezuela's riches who get distributed to oligarchs. DetlefK Aug 2017 #7
I believe we haven't had diplomatic relations with Venezuela since W LeftInTX Aug 2017 #8
Actually, Obama restored relations. The_jackalope Aug 2017 #9
OK - Thx - nt LeftInTX Aug 2017 #10
That move gives Russia a great shipping & Trade position in SA. Sunlei Aug 2017 #11
If the Russians want to gamble on that shitshow of a government surviving, they're more than welcome Calista241 Aug 2017 #12
Won't Russia move in on Venezuela House of Roberts Aug 2017 #15
Russia deploying troops to South America is WAAAY different Calista241 Aug 2017 #17
It was in January that Rosneft bought bonds for $5 billion, 49.5% of Citgo. Igel Aug 2017 #14

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
2. Russia is a sucker if they do that deal
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:47 AM
Aug 2017

That government is doomed to collapse eventually so any loans will never be repaid and the oil rights will be voided by the next government.

Let the Russians throw away their cash.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
3. Vlady snapping up oil all over the world looks like he wants us to be
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:48 AM
Aug 2017

dependent on Russia for oil. Is there a better reason for renewables?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
4. Hold the fuck on
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 11:04 AM
Aug 2017

For YEARS we've been chided that the US CAUSED this mess and we should keep our gringo mitts off of that cuddly little box of kittens.

Now we get "The fact that the US hasn't had a functioning State Department ever since Rexxon Tillerson was installed as SoS is paying major dividends for Russia. USA is hands-off Venezuela, while Rosneft is hands-on. Geopolitics at its finest..."

Please.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
6. I guess Russia wants Venezuelan oil more than the US does.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

I've never been one of the chiders you referred to. Where geopolitical realpolitik is concerned, no nation is a cuddly little box of kittens. Except maybe Canada.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
13. If there's one thing that Rex Tillerson knows about, it's oil markets, assets, and leverage.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 03:52 PM
Aug 2017

I'm comfortable with sitting this one out and watching Maduro fall from a distance. I'm sure we'll get blamed for it somehow though.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. So, essentially now it's Venezuela's riches who get distributed to oligarchs.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 11:14 AM
Aug 2017

When the Soviet Union was dissolved, the companies of Russia were sold for cents on the dollar to a few well-connected people. They became the oligarchs.

Now Venezuela's companies and ressources are sold for cents on the dollar to a few well-connected people.




I'm betting $10, in 5 years, when Venezuela's socialism is gone and the country's economy is in the hand of a few well-connected oligarchs, they will blame the US for their decision.

LeftInTX

(25,125 posts)
8. I believe we haven't had diplomatic relations with Venezuela since W
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

If I'm not mistaken, this could have easily happened under Obama

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
9. Actually, Obama restored relations.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

From wikipedia:

Venezuela broke off diplomatic relations with the U.S. in September 2008 in solidarity with Bolivia after a U.S. ambassador was accused of cooperating with violent anti-government groups in that country, though relations were reestablished under President Barack Obama in June 2009. In February 2014, the Venezuelan government ordered three American diplomats to leave the country on charges of promoting violence.

House of Roberts

(5,162 posts)
15. Won't Russia move in on Venezuela
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 06:33 PM
Aug 2017

like they have in Syria? They will either prop up Maduro, or an equally pliable substitute to protect their interests.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
17. Russia deploying troops to South America is WAAAY different
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:26 PM
Aug 2017

Than Syria. Venezuela would face a whole lot of scrutiny from all of their neighbors in South America in addition to the US and North America if they were to invite the Russians in as an occupying force.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
14. It was in January that Rosneft bought bonds for $5 billion, 49.5% of Citgo.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 06:30 PM
Aug 2017

That's Venezuela.

Who knew that Obama installed Tillerson as SoS and he's a carry-over.

It's continued since then, of course. Why? Because Maduro basically thinks of the US as the Great Satan for purposes of his cult of xenophobia, and Putin has been a long-term ally and co-religionist.

Anybody remember when they invited the Russian navy? Many DUers pitched a fit. Some DUers glowed with joy. (We won't stop to compare names for those who considered Ukraine to be a "legitimate" place for Russian activities because it's in Russia's sphere of influence. That would make places like Venezuela "legitimately" in the US's sphere of influence.)

Here's RT's coverage: https://www.rt.com/news/russias-navy-in-venezuela-the-facts/

And to compare, Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-russia-idUSN0633952420080907

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