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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:00 PM Jul 2017

Bernie Sanders will foil Senate Republicans' single-payer trolling

Source: Vox

The Washington Examiner reported Wednesday night that Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) is planning to propose an amendment during debate this week to create a single-payer health care system.

Daines doesn’t himself support single-payer. But his amendment is an attempt to splinter the Democratic caucus and expose the minority party’s divisions on how to reform the health care system. Republicans are struggling mightily to find 50 votes to pass their bill, and the Examiner suggests that Daines is interested in calling attention to Democrats’ internal discord. In essence, the hope would be to force the many Democrats who are in-cycle in 2018 to choose between going on the record as favoring a pretty hefty tax increase by voting for a Daines-written single-payer bill and attracting the ire of Sanders supporters by voting against it.

....

The tactic of turning Sanders fans’ often dyspeptic attitude about the Democratic Party establishment to their advantage has worked for Republicans in the past, but Sanders has no intention of letting them run that playbook this week. Rather than seize the opportunity from Daines to talk about Medicare-for-All — which would in turn highlight Democrats’ internal divisions — Sanders will reject Daines’ amendment, a spokesperson for the Senator told Vox.

"The Democratic caucus will not participate in the Republicans' sham process. No amendment will get a vote until we see the final legislation and know what bill we are amending,” Josh Miller-Lewis, a spokesperson for Sanders, said in a text.


Read more: https://www.vox.com/2017/7/26/16048136/bernie-sanders-daines-single-payer



Bernie is showing real leadership in the health care debate. Not posturing, real action and leadership.
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Bernie Sanders will foil Senate Republicans' single-payer trolling (Original Post) geek tragedy Jul 2017 OP
Another solution would be the following. Sanders should meet with the Democratic leadership still_one Jul 2017 #1
This amendment will likely be a horrible 'single payer' system groundloop Jul 2017 #7
On second read I think that is what the OP was saying. Thanks still_one Jul 2017 #9
That would be the 2nd best outcome as far as the republicans are concerned. Johnyawl Jul 2017 #11
Single Payer is not a tax increase IronLionZion Jul 2017 #2
Listen, I support universal healthcare GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #5
It replaces insurance and programs we already pay for IronLionZion Jul 2017 #12
you'd pay less in taxes than in premiums...n/t bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #14
There no doubt would be an initial bump in order to set it up LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #15
I pay over $18000 a year in premiums for two people. I'd rather have a high tax, trust me. Turn CO Blue Jul 2017 #26
You have missed the point entirely kacekwl Jul 2017 #18
"on the record as favoring a pretty hefty tax increase" IronLionZion Jul 2017 #21
How utterly pathetic fountainofyouth Jul 2017 #3
That's their only tactic that has been proven to work in the past so they're sticking with it. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #4
Thank God GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #6
Schumer made the announcement from the senate floor. lapucelle Jul 2017 #8
+1, thank you, great post. nt R B Garr Jul 2017 #19
I second that! murielm99 Jul 2017 #20
Sanders's decision to not take the opportunity to push single payer is the big development geek tragedy Jul 2017 #23
Schumer's and Pelosi's leadership has held the Democratic caucuses together lapucelle Jul 2017 #24
From article: "Daines is interested in calling attention to Democrats' internal discord." R B Garr Jul 2017 #25
Somewhat Surprised. Sanders Introduced a Single Payer Bill During ACA Process... TomCADem Jul 2017 #10
Yeah, but I certainly wouldn't trust a Repub "single payer" bill... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #13
Democrat John Conyers "Medicare for All" bill has 115 co-sponsors. lapucelle Jul 2017 #22
Go Bernie! As always. zentrum Jul 2017 #16
See post #27 below. George II Jul 2017 #28
That's a desperate plan Bradical79 Jul 2017 #17
As far as the last statement from the spokesman for Sanders... George II Jul 2017 #27
Is it OK to applaud and support actual Democrats here? And the Democratic Party? Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #29
Shhhhhh.... George II Jul 2017 #30
No shit, from what I hear it was real bad last year, from what i hear Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #31

still_one

(92,614 posts)
1. Another solution would be the following. Sanders should meet with the Democratic leadership
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:12 PM
Jul 2017

and as part of our strategy all the Democrats should commit that they will all support the single payer amendment. This would serve two purposes:

1. All the Democrats and independents would be unified, NOT divided on this
2. The republicans would be faced with publicly rejecting single payer

Of course the other strategy would work too, don't do anything until they know what they are voting on

groundloop

(11,552 posts)
7. This amendment will likely be a horrible 'single payer' system
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:30 PM
Jul 2017

It's my guess that repukes would make sure this amendment has a very high price tag attached to it in order to drive away Democrats in less progressive areas of the country. I like Sanders strategy of rejecting it outright.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
11. That would be the 2nd best outcome as far as the republicans are concerned.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jul 2017

1st best choice: A divided Democratic Party
2nd best choice: Red state Democrats publically supporting single payer.

IronLionZion

(45,740 posts)
2. Single Payer is not a tax increase
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jul 2017

liberals and liberal publications should stop repeating that lie.

The tax would replace a lot of existing taxes for publicly funded healthcare and premiums for private insurance. Not an increase over what we currently have, it's replacing much of what we already have.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
5. Listen, I support universal healthcare
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jul 2017

But there is no form of universal healthcare that will not require tax increases. Sure middle-class people will save on healthcare costs, but if we promise healthcare for everyone and no increases in taxes we are doomed.

And the fact is upper middle-class people and the upper class will have to pay more to cover all Americans since so many Americans make less than $30,000 a year. My taxes would increase significantly other granted my health care cost would go down.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,190 posts)
15. There no doubt would be an initial bump in order to set it up
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:08 PM
Jul 2017

But after that, as the rest of the world knows, it is cheaper. You pay less in extra taxes than you would for your previous health insurance.With the added bonus that everyone is covered from cradle to grave, and "pre-existing conditions" are gone forever.

This is the way Democrats should be presenting it. Be honest that there will be a cost to establish it, but explain how when everyone is in the pool, it is cheaper for everyone.

But I know, its the whole mandate thing that Republicans use for propaganda. ie..forcing everyone to pay for it. And the initial start up cost will be used and lied about as being an ongoing cost. Democrats have to have a planned and orchestrated messaging campaign. Healthcare should be a right, like fresh air and water. And that America is a place where we help our neighbour, and he helps you. Pound it out that it will be cheaper and cover everyone. Frame it in the right way and you'd see more acceptance.

IronLionZion

(45,740 posts)
21. "on the record as favoring a pretty hefty tax increase"
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 07:13 AM
Jul 2017

My point is about the way VOX wrote about it.

fountainofyouth

(409 posts)
3. How utterly pathetic
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jul 2017

That the majority party is failing so miserably that they have to try to embarrass the Democrats as a distraction.

lapucelle

(18,427 posts)
8. Schumer made the announcement from the senate floor.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jul 2017
"Democrats are not going to participate in this one-sided and broken process,” announced Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) Wednesday evening. “

Glad to see that Sanders is on board with the rest of the Democratic caucus.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/344044-democrats-threaten-to-play-hardball-on-obamacare-repeal

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/democrats-schumer-health-care-241010

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/schumer-democrats-unity-obamacare-240020
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Sanders's decision to not take the opportunity to push single payer is the big development
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jul 2017

He's voting against Single Payer--there will be those who would find that troubling, but he's not listening to them (thankfully).

lapucelle

(18,427 posts)
24. Schumer's and Pelosi's leadership has held the Democratic caucuses together
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:06 PM
Jul 2017

in both chambers. Schumer was smart to provide cover for anyone who may have been tempted by Daines's amendment.

R B Garr

(17,046 posts)
25. From article: "Daines is interested in calling attention to Democrats' internal discord."
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jul 2017

Looks like "internal discord" is a big boon for the GOP, as we've seen. What a concept.

TomCADem

(17,391 posts)
10. Somewhat Surprised. Sanders Introduced a Single Payer Bill During ACA Process...
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:33 PM
Jul 2017

...even though he did not have the votes and it splintered support for the ACA. I can see why the Republicans would think that Bernie might decide to showboat at the expense of his allies.

Wounded Bear

(58,852 posts)
13. Yeah, but I certainly wouldn't trust a Repub "single payer" bill...
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:01 PM
Jul 2017

sounds more like some kind of poison pill to split the Dem caucus, as he OP points out.

Unfortunately, I'm sure the Repubs will couch this in the old "Dems won't participate" bullshit.

lapucelle

(18,427 posts)
22. Democrat John Conyers "Medicare for All" bill has 115 co-sponsors.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jul 2017

Conyers has introduced this bill every year since 2003. (It was introduced again in January of this year.) This landmark legislation has been ready to go for 15 years. It has the majority of the Democratic congressional caucus as its co-sponsors.

This is why it's so important that supporters of single payer elect Democrats in 2018.

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2017/04/26/medicare-all-bill-reaches-record-breaking-104-co-sponsors-congress

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/676

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act#Timeline

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
17. That's a desperate plan
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jul 2017

Is anyone really going to be mad about Democrats not voting for a Republican introduced single payer mystery bill?

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. As far as the last statement from the spokesman for Sanders...
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jul 2017

...that was basically what Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/democrats-schumer-health-care-241010

Dems to GOP: No amendments until you show us your bill

Chuck Schumer wasn't posturing, but taking real action and leadership. Thank you Senator Schumer!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,180 posts)
29. Is it OK to applaud and support actual Democrats here? And the Democratic Party?
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

Getting hard to know anymore.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,180 posts)
31. No shit, from what I hear it was real bad last year, from what i hear
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jul 2017

it is THAT bad again here already and if it is that bad here, it is WORSE 0ut there!

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