Two killed, 19 injured in Toronto shooting

[Rhiannon12866]

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Two people were killed and at least 19 injured in a shooting at an outdoor party in Toronto, police said on Tuesday, raising fresh fears of a rise in gun crime in Canada's largest city.

Police said it was too early to say what prompted the shooting late on Monday in which a young man and young woman were killed. Many of those hurt were injured in the panic that ensued after shots were fired.

"This is the most serious crime of its kind to ever take place in the city of Toronto," Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair told reporters at the scene.

Coming barely six weeks after a shooting at a shopping mall that killed one and wounded six, it is likely to raise fears about the use of guns in a city which takes pride in its relatively low crime rate compared with U.S. urban centers.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/17/us-shooting-toronto-idUSBRE86G07R20120717

[orpupilofnature57]

1. I'm not allowed in the Gun advocate forum ,so let me take

this opputunity, to ask how your feeling first ? and secondly Guns in most cases are unecessary Deadly Toys.We will never see the carnage in Canada ,we enjoy here.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Aren't you really?!

I have a feeling you're in good company.

And thanks for asking. I keep meaning to reply to Steve's thread. That certainly came as a surprise. I probably have bronchitis, but I'm feeling better than I did this weekend.

I also saw "Bowling for Columbine" more than once, so I know that Canada doesn't experience the gun violence we have here, despite a much higher rate of gun ownership. I think that's the reason this is such big news. It's the worst that they've experienced.

Good to see you, my friend! I hope that all is well with you (both).

[Posteritatis]

4. Yeah, something like this is pretty unprecedented

Things on that scale still happen now and then, but they're rare enough that multiple shootings pretty much always make national headlines. I know I'm stunned by it.

[Remmah2]

3. Guns are not "toys".

What are Canada's gun laws?

Was alcohol involved?

Were gangs involved?

If you enjoy carnage then maybe you are part of the problem.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. Carnage and guns run hand in hand

I'm Against both , " DEADLY TOYS " IS WHAT I WROTE , if your going to quote .

[Remmah2]

24. You're not being quoted.

Don't worry.

[orpupilofnature57]

42. " Oh " " "

How do you indicate a quote ,I know you people have your own sense of punctuation.

[Remmah2]

46. Apparently you as well. nt

nt

[orpupilofnature57]

48. Is this a quotation mark " ?

I knew you'd know .

[orpupilofnature57]

12. And " ENJOY " was sarcasm.

[MicaelS]

6. "Not allowed in the Gun advocate forum"???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1172

Blocked Members

No members are blocked from this group.

So what do you mean that by that crack?

[orpupilofnature57]

11. How do you interpret this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=390105

[Electric Monk]

13. We can't read your inbox. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

14. The message read that I could no longer

participate or that I was blocked from that Group.

[MicaelS]

17. Maybe it was temporary, but as of right now

No one is blocked from that group. Of course if you come in there and act as a shit-stirrer that could get you blocked.

[orpupilofnature57]

18. Like asking questions like ,

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How much financial help does the NRA offer victims as opposed to the accused when people get shot?Wouldn't want to disturb anyones 2nd amendment lust ,or question the 100% advocacy in virtually every story or post .I probably should avoid that group ,as I do have an inclination to shit on GUN NUTS , and I've never got involved in a discussion about Guns ,unless it was in the Main General Discussion Forum ,which my dumb-ass took as an invite to comment ,check out my next comment on the subject.

[Remmah2]

26. I do hate the term "GUN NUTS"

"as I do have an inclination to shit on GUN NUTS "


But I do guess it beats having no nuts.

[orpupilofnature57]

33. It Can't Kill you ,have fun with your

Nuts. I hate making light of Life and Death .

[Remmah2]

37. That's irrational fear. nt

nt

[orpupilofnature57]

44. That makes sense , I guess ?

[4th law of robotics]

40. Gee I can't imagine why you might not feel welcome in that group

[orpupilofnature57]

43. I was blocked ,I didn't feel unwanted

I felt like I asked questions without NRA answers , Hence dubbed insensitive and over the top ,I serve as judge I knew what I was doing ,and Proud of it .

[4th law of robotics]

45. According to the group you weren't blocked

And from what I've seen you're pretty combative and willing to broad-brush smear anyone you disagree with.

You're "just asking questions" in the same way Glenn Beck just asks questions.

[orpupilofnature57]

47. Sure thing ,Rush

How much moral ,financial ,or legal support does the NRA give VICTIMS of gun violence ? You " Gun Nuts " are as forth coming with my answer ,as mitt is with his taxes .

[4th law of robotics]

49. That's kinda what I'm talking about

you start with an insult then go on to derail the conversation by "just asking questions" that are silly and have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

How much money does the ACLU give to victims of hate crimes? None. That's not their job.

[orpupilofnature57]

51. Nice diversion tactic Rush.

See ya

[snooper2]

53. And jesus wept

[orpupilofnature57]

55. You should get help , for that

[snooper2]

56. Really not following you here, is that comma in the wrong spot?

It's like saying-
Can you move over, the salt

And you know what, I was wrong. Jesus really never has time to cry. He's too busy pissing on the carpet (see evidence in video)

&list=UUupX3k88Z1cRYCDuCPrmxlg&index=9&feature=plcp

[orpupilofnature57]

57. Unless guns are your religion , you are

not my comma.

[4th law of robotics]

54. . . .

[MicaelS]

27. Those insults mean....

It would be probably be a good idea to stay out. kripos42 is a good Host, he wouldn't block you from the Group unless you got really nasty.

I on the other hand, coupling your insults with your piss poor punctuation, would cause me to block you in a heartbeat.



Good thing for you I'm not a Host.

[orpupilofnature57]

34. woo, fear power ,sorry about my punctuation ,

Not the message .

[sarisataka]

31. Do you take exception

to being called a "gun grabber" "banner" or any other insults?

[orpupilofnature57]

35. No because I am.

[sarisataka]

36. i give you credit

For honesty.

[orpupilofnature57]

38. And by your avatar I suspect I owe

You thanks , for Protecting my right to run my pie-hole. Thanks.

[sarisataka]

39. De nada

we can agree to disagree and celebrate being in a country that allows us to piss each other off

[uh clem]

5. I'm willing to bet...

...that the gun lovers considered the shooter to be a responsible gun owner right up until he pulled the trigger. His weapon was probably legally purchased as well.

[Posteritatis]

7. I somehow doubt that'll fly here. (nt)

[PavePusher]

8. Feel free to cite to some evidence... at any time. n/t

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. American style shooting in Canada

[hack89]

28. Because Canada has a fast growing American style gang problem

One of them might be an increase in the gang subculture, where young people, who have beefs or conflicts with one another because of the subculture they’re ingrained in, just don’t – pardon the language – give a fuck. I’m actually paraphrasing a lot of the men that I’ve interviewed that are involved in gangs. They’ll just say, “Nobody messes with me. And if you are going to insult me, or fight me or push me in a public area, I’m going to come back and use extreme violence, because nobody does that to me.”

Some people are wondering, why isn’t this happening in back alleys? Sometimes it’s because the people don’t care if they get caught. Other times, they’re actually trying to enhance their reputation. If you have an audience that has seen you use extreme violence with little regard for others, does that enhance your reputation as somebody not to be messed with?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/17/f-toronto-shooting-canada-crime-trends.html?cmp=rss

[Monk06]

50. I wonder if this has to do with the crackdown on the Shower Posse?

[wordpix]

15. I'm interested to know if this was a legally bought gun or illegal, possibly from US

Since our purchase laws are so lax and so many US guns end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels, that is.

[loli phabay]

16. none of my guns have, probuably the justice dept has given them more guns than all the members of DU

who have guns

[Remmah2]

30. Laxed or uninforced? nt

nt

[Cooley Hurd]

19. kick and rec

[orpupilofnature57]

20. My Brother !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up ?

[Cooley Hurd]

21. Hey man! How are ya!

Nothing new on my end - status quo, except for the @#$%& heat!!!

[orpupilofnature57]

32. Stay coool , Ali sends her love .

[ileus]

22. Guns and ammo in the hands of the public is a bad idea

[Blue_Tires]

23. I like how the mayor felt he had to add his "We're not Detroit" sideswipe...

[Remmah2]

25. Like no criminals, thugs, or gangs exist in Canada.

"Police suspect gangs behind Toronto BBQ shooting that killed 2, injured 24"


http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/dead+wounded+shooting+Toronto+community+barbecue+trampled/6945497/story.html

[Posteritatis]

29. While Toronto's mayor is a colossal, thundering asshole of a man...

Detroit passed 300 homicides in 2010 to all of Canada's 554. That sort of situation in a major city close to the border tends to give it a reputation.

Of course, that doesn't change what I said about Mayor Ford. He's been rapidly upgrading himself from "classless municipal embarrassment" to "classless national embarrassment" over the course of the last year - it's the chief thing he's actually good at.

[applegrove]

41. And a bevy of federal conservative politicians have made statements in sympathy with the victims...

no doubt worried that their pro NRA policies has turned Toronto into a mess.

[Tejas]

52. He's a good boy, but that gun is a no count worthless sumanabitch!