Trump paints apocalyptic picture of racial tensions in U.S.
Source: MSN/CBS News
WESTFIELD, Ind. -- Racial tensions were on Donald Trump's mind on Wednesday, as he painted an apocalyptic picture of civil unrest in the U.S. at a rally here. But first, he hurled an incendiary accusation at his presumptive opponent in the general election, Hillary Clinton.
"And we created ISIS," Trump said to a crowd of thousands. "And Hillary Clinton through her incompetence, directly and indirectly, created ISIS. And now she wants to get rid of it."
Then came a detour: "She is the one that created it. And that's what's happened and so now we have problems all over the place. We have our cities exploded. We have ISIS looking at us," Trump said. "And by the way, when our enemies all over the world, including our friends all over the world, look at what's happening to our country - where the other night, you had 11 - think of it - 11 cities potentially in a blow-up stage. Marches all over the United States. And tough marches. Anger, hatred, hatred - started by a maniac that some people asked for a moment of silence for him. For the killer. For the killer."
This was one of three times that Trump said on Wednesday that some had asked for a moment of silence for Micah Johnson, the gunman who shot and killed five police officers in Dallas last week. There is no evidence that this happened, and the Trump campaign did not respond to a request for clarification.
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Donald Trump is going for it. He is saying that BLM protesters were asking for a moment of silence for the Dallas shooter. This will really fire up and inflame tensions the idea that BLM protesters are actually cheering on and commemorating the shooting of police. It will just be like Trump having guests at his rally who were victims of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants.
While he complains about racial tensions, Trump does his best to fan the flames. This man could very likely be our President with a clear mandate for reprisal.
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C_U_L8R
(45,040 posts)Trump is really picking the scab off the Republican ID.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)'with a clear mandate for reprisal,' it would open the door for the near-extinguishment of racism in the United States. At least, he would be the last President for a long, long time to use racism as a political prop, and the Republican Party would be forced to drop that aspect of its long-time pitch.
Millions of moderates, progressives, and many so-called 'conservatives' would be mobilized to act as human shields for any initiative that would result in racist policies. Of course, the policies would be unconstitutional, but litigation can be slow, while direct action is, well, quick. And the protests would be massive and relentless.
If he and his nutter supporters want a 'race war,' they'll have something to that effect. We would identify a new human 'race' as defined as those whose mental faculty is so deficient as to enable them to support insane policies of a racist bully who became the President of the United States (at least, until he's impeached or... otherwise unable to perform his duties).
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...believed that he could be controlled and moderated. It is wishful thinking to believe that the election of Trump would somehow lead to the positive result of the end of racism. To the contrary, the election of Trump would validate that America chose his vision of racial hatred and vindictiveness.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Trump could be 'controlled and moderated.' I know that we don't live in post-WWI Nazi Germany, that we are the most ethnically and religiously diverse country on the planet, and that we have a Constitution that forbids just about everything that Trump proposes. And that the Republican party, while it shamelessly employs racist tactics in its campaigning, would be terrified of the potential for its own utter ruin as a result of massive protests and civil disobedience in response to fanatic policies. Their paymasters would (as they are currently doing) demand they drop him like a rock, and, frankly, if they find their business interests threatened (as many do now), they might resort to more direct measures.
Nope - a Donald Trump presidency would be a profound embarrassment and a tremendous step backwards - a very ugly thing. But 'controlling' or 'moderating' him and his lackeys would be pointless. You just stop them. Period.
And... American 'Big Business interests' like Hillary Clinton. She's reliably pro-corporate, has demonstrated her loyalty to them in a great many ways, and Trump actually has very few supporters in big business.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)You wrote:
Here is a comparison of Republican Party platform with Trump as the nominee and the Democratic Party's platform with Hillary as the nominee:
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Some mega-corporate groups like to push for divisive legislation, to distract people from the real work of shifting power away from people and into their hands.
However, most also recognize that, if things go to far, the costs outweigh the benefit. That's why, for example, PayPal ditched North Carolina (and the management of PayPal and eBay are hardly liberal...) and 48 businesses just added themselves to an amicus curiae brief in the DOJ lawsuit against the state. Add up the net worth of those companies (including Apple, Inc, Levis Stauss & Co., Morgan Stanley, Intel, NIKE, Dow Chemical, American and United Airlines, Microsoft, and eBay) and you'll be close to half the corporate capitalization of the U.S.
The CEOs of these companies are not amused.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to your first paragraph word of ethical in your response. This country has had no ethic of advancement for 350 years when it comes to people other than straight white males. And religion has been a part of the problem also. Why do you think Sunday morning worship is called the most segreated hour in america? This country has never gotten it right on that melting pot bullshit. It's a crock pot on high waiting to bubble over cause fire has been under it simmering too long.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)is that you do not believe in the value of the American system of representative government, as we are too stupid, petty, and bigoted to be trusted with such rights and responsibilities.
You do understand that the civil war was very much about the ending of human slavery in the United States, don't you? And that's what happened?
And that, prior to the mid 1960s, many southern states had strict segregation of 'blacks' and 'whites,' which is now very seriously illegal? Also, that, in many states, until the Supreme Court Loving v. Virginia decision in 1967, 'blacks' and 'whites' were barred from marrying each other or even simply be married to each other, under penalty of jail sentences?
Or that in 1986, the Supreme Court of the United States upheld 'anti-sodomy' laws. Then in 2003, it invalidated them as unconstitutional. And finally, in 2015, it ruled that bans on same-sex marriages were violations of the 14th Amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law? In 48 years, we went from bans against American citizens marrying each other because the colors of their skin were very different all the way to the right of American citizens of the same gender to marry each other.
Those are just major events that I can reference quickly. I disagree profoundly with your 'no ethic of advancement for 350 years when it comes to people other than straight white males' nonsense. And your reference to our ethnic diversity as 'that melting pot bullshit.'
Yes, there is still serious racism in our country. But literally eradicating racism is impossible. It absolutely can't be done. It may fade someday, when its relevance to human beings is nil, but it is to be found everywhere in the world. The best we can do is stand firmly in its path when it surfaces.
We're not a 'crock pot on high waiting to bubble over.' I spent 3 months in South Africa slums in the mid eighties - was arrested for it once and released after a day... Now, that was a crock pot on high waiting to bubble over, and it never did. If anyone had predicted in 1986 that apartheid would die peacefully in South Africa, I would have considered them hopelessly ignorant.
We are, by far, the most ethnically and religiously diverse country on the planet. Consider that reality carefully before you declare that a race war is underway...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as is your total position yet reply #35 explains my position and I'm finished. You're right racism will never end in a country whose roots were watered by the blood of the genocide of the Native-american Nations and the evils of human bondage and servitude to the 'superior, race. Have a good election season.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)With an 'N.'
Probably not a bad idea to actually read the words a person wrote before you say something like 'HELL NO!!!!' about them.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)still, I hate hypocrisy. Too many people live in a bubble of american exceptionalism, racially and culturally, with an understanding that nothing should get in the way of that racial exceptionalism. PoC have been and are being denied human rights, voting rights and even life based on skin color in our exceptional democracy. Today, as yesterday, in our exceptional democracy I can point to a few outstanding positive role models portrayed for the world to see, my three, MLK, Colin Powell and our current POTUS, Barack Hussein Obama. Our exceptional democracy can point and say, see we're allowing you equality, you are equal, even as a Dylan Roof murders, a Trayvon Martin bleeds his life out in the street, killed by a very evil man NOT under cover of a badge. To people in the bubble, they may get outraged, tsk, tsk, tsk but by and large to people living in the bubble of american privilege and arrogance of race the Trayvon Martins are mere collateral damage in our quest for equality in this exceptional democracy.
Yes my anger gets me riled sometimes as I read the words of people who I feel live in a bubble of american racial vanity. I picture Sandra Bland in front of her jailer(s) choking and gagging her life away and them laughing and guffawing at her imminent demise. I have a poster of a hanging in the 'old' south with the large crowd of happy white people, men, women and children, drinking and picnicing under the swaying 'bitter fruit' as my reminder of that crowd, who have been living just being below our modern cultural surface and who are rising again and not just in the south, but north, west and east since being emboldened and agitated, by the likes of trump, to again spew their vomit of racial hate and rage again over the landscape. But I know, to people in a bubble what's one life in the scheme of existence in this exceptional democracy as we are all trying to eradicate the evil of racism and the rest of the isms.
Certain people can have the patience to wait for the slow change allowed by people who only change as political and societal exigence demand and for no other reason. Wait, your 'pie in the sky' is coming'. Tired old refrain. There is nothing wrong with me. I am just demanding from the exceptional people living in this exceptional society that they make one small change. Give up hate based on race, gender and sexual orientation. Why is that so hard to understand or achieve. Yes. Demand.
It's time and I'm done with this conversation.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I don't know if you do it just to show everyone how "socially conscious" you are or if you just really hate anyone who isn't like you.
"Yes my anger gets me riled sometimes as I read the words of people who I feel live in a bubble of american racial vanity." Look in the mirror.
I really pity people who feel the need to be angry and outraged all the time.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as I pity those to which righteous anger is a threat to their world view. Damn right I'm angry, yet I have hope that one day this democracy matures and creates that 'post-racial' paradise.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)In fact, I can assure you that nothing you do or say could change my views.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and..........
I expect nothing from you nor desire any type of understanding from you. I have my allies.
villager
(26,001 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I had a grandfather and great uncle (both now deceased), each of whom saw hard combat in WWII.
My great uncle was a bomber tailgunner in the European theater, and lost a great many friends. He only began to speak about it in his 70s, and then only to closely trusted family.
The German people, at least the non-Jewish, non-otherwise-hated-class didn't fight the Nazis on any significant scale. They also didn't have social media. And they definitely didn't have the history of the supremacy of a Constitution such as ours, establishing such things as no religious discrimination, freedom of speech and assembly, due process, and numerous other critical protections.
For over 2 years, I have spent one evening (depending on season, appx. 6:30 to sunset) per week, with a few misses for family events, 50 yards from the entrance to a mosque in small town Minnesota. There currently are 33 of us on rotation, 2 on watch together always, and during the past 6 months we've actually had to decline interested people because we're just plain overbooked and won't place more than 2 people.
The mosque opened just over 2 years ago, amid rampant racism under the pathetic guise of 'but they're terrorists!' The small, quiet Muslim community was suddenly noticed, and death threats abounded. So 5 people stepped up, myself among them, approached the leadership of the mosque (they don't have an Imam as yet) and offered our assistance. They welcomed it after a bit of concern about our possible motives was fully addressed. The police department was wary, but we had every right to do what we were doing, and we're on excellent terms with the officers (but for one who did not understand how visible social media can be, and I believe he has had a very hard time finding a new job...)
Since that time, the death threats against worshipers has stopped, and those against us have almost ceased. All of us knew what we were in store for, and we welcomed it. 4 of the original 5 have kids (not me) and the kids took a lot of flak before their school suspended several students, one three times (and finally he was expelled). Well, it also may have to do with the two of the kids who kicked some serious butt when one of the Muslim students was viciously harassed... (the boys received a two-day suspension each and a firm handshake from the superintendent) Now, at the school, if you decide to harass anyone, you are likely to learn a painful lesson. The last event I know about was over a year ago.
My employer, a manufacturing firm (I'm the IT director) was, at first, worried as hell. Indeed, the far-away owner is a right-winger. But, on our 1 year anniversary, the company gave a modest but not insignificant amount of money to the mosque in order to help with badly needed improvement work. And I now have 3 co-workers on the active watch rotation.
That's how you fight. No one has died or been significantly injured (at least among the worshipers and the watch...), although we knew these were possibilities. One guy who was a tremendous racist prick at the outset is now on active watch and God, or Allah, or Krishna, whoever, help the fool who attempts to make a racist statement in his presence when he's not on watch...
The whole thing is rather ceremonial at this point, and there's been some discussion of easing back, but it's taken on a broad local meaning, as non-Muslims (atheist, in my case) standing up for fellow Americans (mostly, I should say) who just want to be able to gather and worship their God has some sort of symbolic meaning, I guess.
One of the Muslim kids is the current star (such as we have, I guess) of the boys' varsity basketball team, another just graduated as valedictorian, etc. And, really, if you're a racist in our town, you find yourself in a rapidly diminishing social circle.
So I'm not too worried about the 'Hitler' thing. There are just too many of us who know why and how to fight.
villager
(26,001 posts)I may have less faith in the American people as a whole, than you do, but nonetheless, this story of standing up and fighting back against the GOP-spawned, Trumpian darkness, should be read here as OP.
Thanks for the work you're doing.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I've done like 3 OPs in all the years I've been on DU. And, on this matter, a rule that was decided on by everyone involved a long time ago was 'let's not do anything to get the media involved.' We've discussed the possibility of a Trump presidency, and the consensus so far is 'then we get the media involved.' So far we've been very successful in that.
For now, we really don't want to become a media circus and then have to contend with an influx of out-of-state bigots carrying their favorite 'let's insult Muslims by depicting Mohammad doing something obscene' signs... However, some of us in the watch group are planning a little excursion to a couple of places where they could use our experience. A couple of Iraq war (one first, one second) vets would also, it seems, not mind an opportunity to demonstrate their... opinions on the subject of bigotry.
So, I wrote about it only because it was the time and place to do so, without identifying info beyond the state.
And I don't exactly have 'faith' in the American people as a whole. Nobody should expect, and certainly not rely on, good behavior from group defined as over 300 million people. But I'd trust any member of our watch, and any adult Muslim in our community, with my life.
The key is not to expect everyone to behave decently, but to do what is necessary to find those who do, and are willing to stick their necks out to demonstrate it. Then you actually have to stick those necks out and get down to business. Americans who know little of the world beyond what talking heads on 'news' TV tend to be first surprised by things happening in their communities, then curious, then, for the most part, if the activity is decent and worthy, impressed.
That's what I've learned from this experience, and, I suppose, many other smaller-scale ones throughout my life.
villager
(26,001 posts)I do hope you can continue to convey some of your experiences here though, in the weeks/months ahead...
forest444
(5,902 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Hitler himself boasted that "we lost the war; but we shall win the peace" - and the ODESSA Nazi exile network was what he he was referring to.
They stashed billions abroad. Some ended up with the Bush family by way of the UBC Nazi laundromat (the proceeds from which Poopy Bush put in a Bermuda blind trust when he ran for president in 1980).
Another favored destination for the ODESSA loot was Chile, where two of the country's richest men are widely believed to be its beneficiaries.
These are retail magnate Horst Paulmann, whose Cencosud empire grew from two grimy delis almost overnight (a classic sign of intervention by an angel investor) and whose father - contrary to his longtime assertions - was an SS colonel; and shipping magnate Sven von Appen, who recently declared that if President Michelle Bachelet is too bold in her reforms, "we might find another Pinochet" (stage another coup).
Check out The Colony (with Emma Watson and Daniel Brühl) when you have the chance.
villager
(26,001 posts)Thanks for the b.g. in your post, however!
forest444
(5,902 posts)I haven't seen either movie since college. It's been too long.
I must admit to confusing Michael York with Jon Voight from time to time (plus, there's a similar scene in The Odessa File). It's a real shame that Jon Voight drank the Kool-Aid like he did, as great an actor as he is.
villager
(26,001 posts)...in terms of his embittered, far-right politics. I wonder what happened to him?
forest444
(5,902 posts)It's no secret that excessive drinking exacerbates the misanthrope - and therefore the Republican - in all of us.
villager
(26,001 posts) forest444
(5,902 posts)Who really knows.
We do know he's had a pretty extreme, 180° turn politcally. Gone are the days of the anti-Vietnam War activist and Conrack hero.
Now it's more like his sinister, Poppy Bush-like character in Enemy of the State.
villager
(26,001 posts)...to quote a David Mamet movie line.
Sadly, Mamet has had a "rightwing breakdown" as well.
forest444
(5,902 posts)He certainly wouldn't be the first person I've known of, or met, that goes over to the dark side - at least in part - because they feel they'be on the side of the PTB by doing so.
It never occurs to them that the elite couldn't care less, and that no one respects a toady besides.
Speaking of Mamet, his son Noah is now the (eminently underqualified) Ambassador to Argentina. He spends his time feting right-wingers at the ambassadorial palace and congratulating Macri for pushing his country's economy down the tubes with his austerity/trickle-down decrees.
Macri's going to end up like the last IMF stooge, de la Rúa, if he doesn't change course.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111678676
villager
(26,001 posts)What a shonda, as we Jews would say.
On which note, I've always called that buddying up to TPTB the "Kapo syndrome," from the experience of Jewish Kapos during the Holocaust.
Who thought, doing a terrible kind of triage, that they would be "saved" helping the Nazis exterminate others.
They weren't, of course.
forest444
(5,902 posts)I still believe we're all good deep down; but as so many experiments have shown, even otherwise good people can be manipulated into doing the dirty work of others.
In Noah Mamet's case, he strikes me as someone who craves applause - especially from those who call the shots.
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Mc Mike
(9,116 posts)There was some other guy who did that in the recent past. I forget his name, if I try hard enough to remember, it will come to me...
sofa king
(10,857 posts)An apocalypse that he is desperately trying to foment.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)by making a big deal about the fact that he was refusing to address the NAACP back in 2001.
In many ways, the only difference between Trump and the other Republicans is his tone. I wish that people would stop pretending otherwise.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Trump is only saying what Republicans have long wanted to hear, in a language that the children of our "Education President" can finally understand.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)His handlers must be yanking their hair out. 
Ford_Prefect
(7,928 posts)What I don't quite get yet is why the MSM doesn't kick back on this. They read and reread his spew over and over, as if it is not HATE speech. It doesn't require a lawsuit for them to exercise judgement in the content they present and repeat. I wonder though if the new measure of newsworthy is the degree of click-bait inherent in the material. PSYOPS once again?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)True but not sure new. The TV/Radio/Internet/Print BUSINESS. Maximizing profits prevails.
Ford_Prefect
(7,928 posts)This is to say nothing at all about what never gets discussed or reported. For instance the nearly complete news blackout of the Dallas mayor's comments about "open carry" and the ways in which it amplified a bad situation and continues to do so.
All the MSM can do is repeat and echo the illogical Trumpian hype about BLM being at fault as if there were any reasonable doubt or argument as opposed to proven facts. So far even some of my preferred internet news sites have gotten parts of the Dallas situation badly wrong and still haven't corrected themselves. It goes beyond racism so to do and feels far more like one more PSYOPS embedded in the information streams, like a faint echo of the culture/ Govt/ race war BS hyped on RW and racist blogs, and at least one candidate for national office.
If the majority of news media won't call his lies what they are how do we get the truth into the information stream?
TeamPooka
(24,301 posts)was in his house.
Kingofalldems
(38,511 posts)
LakeArenal
(28,888 posts)Race war, race to war, war, bring on war.... It's all good with Republicans and for some reason Jesus, too.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)sitting on their ass in their living room getting drunk. 
IronLionZion
(45,662 posts)I've never seen anyone want bad things to happen as much as Trump and his asshole supporters.
They are fantasizing about a violent race war. He knows his people are heavily armed and paranoid. So he dumps gasoline on it and hopes it catches fire. Asshole.
lark
(23,199 posts)We will get the hell out of here if he finds a way to steal the election. Will not stay and be part of any Trumpenfurher nation.
BadGimp
(4,024 posts)truly frightening..
yurbud
(39,405 posts)so the less consciously racist could pretend they weren't at all, and justify voting for the Republicans.
To paraphrase Robert Downey Jr. in TROPIC THUNDER, you want to win the presidency as a Republican, you gotta go racist, but NEVER GO FULL RACIST.
You lose the swing voters and conservative Democrats.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)all you wrote.
Night Watchman
(743 posts)
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The 2004 election was rigged in Cleveland, by switching black Kerry votes to Bush votes....
It is bad enough that Republicans go to minority neighborhoods to steal elections, now they want to return to Cleveland to what, rub our noses in it?
The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes
And who knows how many other elections they stole in Cleveland as punch card voting turned Ohio from blue to red.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)God help us.
applegrove
(118,915 posts)cameras have done that. Having a black president has done that. Free speech being free speech has done that. Social media has done that. These are all good things. The only people it is bad for is bad apples and the GOP.
