Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Agree to Debate
Source: NBC News
LANCASTER, California In the latest twist to this unpredictable 2016 presidential race, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders independently agreed Wednesday night to debate each other.
On ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" Trump was asked if he would consider holding a debate with Sanders. Trump agreed to the idea.
"If he paid a sum toward charity I would love to do that," said the business mogul noting a Sanders vs. Trump debate "would have such high ratings."
Sanders quickly responded with a tweet reading, "Game On. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7th primary."
Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-agree-debate-n580641
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)and I love "game on" !
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Go Bernie! Kick some Trump ass!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Beacool
(30,253 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Guess you can't throw him out of the party since he was never in it.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Mainly because in the long run it's not about themselves, but about uniting as a party to defeat the Republicans.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)was not split. And Sanders is more of a Democrat that Hillary will ever be. Who was a Democrat in 2002 when Bush wanted a war? Hillary couldn't wait to jump to help the Republicons while Sanders upheld Democratic Principles and told Bush, hell no.
If you were truly interested in "uniting the party" you would have considered nominating Sanders. I believe most all Democrats would have united behind him. But instead Sanders and his supporters have been subjected to ridicule and ad hominem attacks.
I think your definition of "uniting the party" is to tell the Left to "sit down, shut up and vote Hillary." Not likely to happen and most likely will do the opposite of "uniting the Party".
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)The Democratic Party has moved too far to the right. I guess I may have to leave DU, since if this is really going to be the new Democratic Party, I'm no longer going to be a Democrat.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and we will drive them out. We can't give them the party.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)it can be undone.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Simple. They were both afraid to debate Bernie Sanders.
AmBlue
(3,117 posts)She's so busy being cold, calculating and dismissive to Sanders, she's gonna calculate herself right out of the picture!! BWAH-hahahaha! Way to go, Hillz...
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Bernie Sanders ✔ ?@BernieSanders
Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary.
StayFrosty
(237 posts)So he'll do anything for free publicity
Wibly
(613 posts)Has no such excuses for not debating.
Pure cowardice, combined with a great fear of having to actually stand beside someone who sincerely wants to serve the USA.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)Hillary is smart not to appear at that forum.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)"But a man who procrastinates in his choosing inevitabley invites circumstance to choose for him" - Hunter S. Thompson
Cmon. Even you gotta admit this is a next level move. Gamechanger. Checkmate. Wow. I actually feel sorry for her here. When something like this happens to me I'm utterly devastated. This is the first time I've felt sympathy for the hypocrite.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)And I agree -- bring on the Trump/Bernie debate. It will be a hoot!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Laugh? She should applaud someone would help her take him down. But you can't see that she won't because it's about her not us. Just like people shame him as an independent but if he ran as one Clinton wouldn't get enough votes to beat him or Trump. But Clintonites can rationalize ANYTHING. Their candidate would have to pull a Cosby to shake their beliefs.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)I'll be watching from behind my couch....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and I'm guessing Hillary neither if she has the time! If our liberal friends who'd really enjoy this lived closer, we'd invite them over to watch with us.
And we get to say, "Go, Bernie!"
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)How does a free publicity stunt change anything? The chances of a Trump v. Sanders election are so remote that the entire notion is silly in the first place.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Fact is, Sanders can't get enough pledged delegates. The superdelegates are not going to swing the nomination away.
Sorry if that reality doesn't suit you, but if you are betting on a Sanders nomination you should be asking for 10,000 to 1 odds.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Only 272 pledged delegates separate them and over 700 are still available. It will be very close either way and with Hillary polling horribly and in trouble legally super delegates could switch. They were created to not select someone who could lose. Your analysis is completely off and totally yesterday. Living in yesterday is never a viable way to predict the future.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Depends what you mean. He will win both Dakotas. He will win CA but it will be close. He will win Puerto Rico which is delegate rich. He will win Montana. NJ at the moment looks like Clinton wins. He won't get enough unless he wins 61.8% overall to take the lead. Neither has enough to clinch. It will be dramatic.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)at that point, behind in Pledged Delegates and Number of Votes, why should any of the Super Delegates switch sides ?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Sanders needs nearly 69% of the remaining delegates, but facts don't matter to some people.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)attract those with a great want in them. As the Life of Brian succinctly put it ...
Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
Brian: Now, feck off!
[silence]
Arthur: How shall we feck off, O Lord?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I'm not talking enough to win the nomination outright, that was only ever babble from the candidate that was behind. Contrary to pablum, superdelegates DO count.
Clinton has more pledged delegates, Sanders would have to catch up in order to strip away superdelegates from Clinton. The only legal trouble she is in is in the hopes and dreams of Trump trolls.
You sound like Fiorina with your "yesterday".
Reality is that come the convention, Sanders is still behind in pledged delegates ( it would take a miracle for him to catch up ) and the superdelegates will vote the way they have already indicated, and that's that. Don't give up on your dream, but don't set yourself up to be crushed when it doesn't come true.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)That's Trump Troll material.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)You win, make another lame silly comment devoid of any information and let end this.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You want it if it supports your ideas and discount it if it doesn't....hmmmm....who does that remind us of?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I point out that Sanders is behind in delegate count and you can that cherry picking? Do you even know what the phrase means?
Sanders is behind by about 270 pledged delegates. He would need almost 65% of the remaining pledged
delegates to pull even and that's not likely to happen. If he doesn't at least pull even, the superdelegates will not counter what they have already said they would do. Only someone who is cherry picking results would see any way for Sanders to win.
Here's a clue that may help you out. I don't have the baggage of your obvious bias, I'm supporting the nominee, not either Sanders or Clinton.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Super Delegates were created so a loser isnt chosen. Currently, the polls that Clintonites put so much weight in when she was winning early but like to discount when she is losing, have Clinton neck and neck and actually falling behind Trump while Bernie kicks Trump's ass. Thats called cherry-picking. And you had a Freudian slip...."I'm supporting the nominee, not either Sanders or Clinton." Not??? lol. Lighten up Thor.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Trying to put up three significant figures shows a profound lack of understanding. The numbers are not solid yet. Sanders is around 270 delegates shy of Clinton's numbers. There are about 930 delegates remaining to be allocated. To pull even, Sanders would need 601 of them. That would be Sanders 1497+601 = 2098, Clinton 1769+329 =2098. 601/930 = about 65% (64.6% but sites have the numbers slightly different so let's round to 2 sig figs). No where near your 61.8%.
If you believe your 61.8%, show your math...
And I see you don't understand the phrase Freudian Slip as well as Cherry Picking. I'm happy with either Sanders or Clinton. You are hoping with all your might that Sanders wins. Your bias blinds you to the truth and you are willing to accept anything that gives you a shred of hope as gospel.
I suggest that you take your own advice and lighten up lest a wave of despair consume you when the convention rolls around. Face it, your guy has virtually no chance.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Because I believe there are only 712 delegates up for grabs.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)What is the polling in California? Are any polls showing Sanders with a 69% - 31% lead?
It could happen, but I would not bet the farm on it.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Im referring in a general sense and if you read my other responses they are quite clear.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)You are in denial and projecting. Your original response consisted of, in total, "You will see".
Any rational person would see, at best, an extremely long shot at pulling 69% of the remaining pledged delegates. A rational person would admit that without earning enough pledged delegates to at least tie, the superdelegates will do as they have already indicated. They have never and likely will never counter the pledged delegates. To make an absolute statement that Sanders will win the nomination, one needs to be extremely selective in what they choose to base their perception on.
There are two types of Sanders supporters:
1. The true believers, which range from merely hopeful at long odds to totally delusional.
2. Trump trolls.
The biggest problem is that only the Trump trolls know who they are - the believers are left in a echo chamber of lies from the trolls paving the path to delusion. Trump trolls are the ones talking deus ex machina endings where 25 years of GOP attacks finally amount to something other than the politically motivated bullshit of which they consist. Trump trolls will argue ad naseum because they are either getting paid per post, or they are getting their jollies being disruptors.
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)re: "How does a free publicity stunt change anything?"
A strong performance in something that will be very widely watched can help Bernie do better in the June 7 primaries (esp. CA).
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Too bad many of your fellow supporters can't get past their smug egos to notice this fact.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)It'll be fun purely for the entertainment value. Will it make Sanders the nominee? Nope.
Laser102
(816 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And is afraid to let them get more attention.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)for the privilege of debating him.
I watched Kimmel--Trump said he wanted SANDERS to pay him to debate him, and the money would go to charity.
I doubt Fox will be willing to cough up "enough" money, for charity, or otherwise, and that will likely ka-bash the whole mishmash.
We'll see, though!
Not sure why you "feel sorry for her here." She's likely laughing her ass off. She's won the election, and her primary opponent just might (highly unlikely, but just might) be involved in the greatest stupid shit show to be beamed over the airwaves! Talk about "destroying the brand!"
Now, if your candidate doesn't debate, or runs away, or backs down...is he "the hypocrite?" Just using your 'charged' verbiage, here....
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Bernie can call him out on things Clinton can't because she is part of the elite. It would be a political coup d'etat if Bernie closed the deal. Game changing actually. Trump would be a fool to do it but his hubris could get the best of him. It would help Bernie and also Hillary if she won. Win win. Too bad Clintonites are too jealous to see through their own bs.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I give Bernie credit, it'll likely be 4 on 1 with bunch of FOX Kochsuckers cheap shotting left and right.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I'm too left wing for you so you accuse me of liking FOX News. I don't care who blue state you insist on calling yourself but me thinks thou doth protest too much. It's so typical of Clintonites. Hey everyone I'll just name myself left, lib, dem or blue state and call anyone who calls me the centrist that I am a republican, FOX News fan or, remember, Ron Paul supporter when we argues against NSA spying. I'm so sick of it but it is kind of humorous in a pathetic way.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Yeah, now she's "scared" for not agreeing to something she was never offered....I'm sure if she did debate Trump prior to the convention you'd call her arrogant and presumptive for jumping the gun before getting the nomination. Trust me whatever you're yammering about is your own projection. I'll be looking forward to your eventual reveal.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Is by far her special, close relationship with the Bush Crime Family. If she was just another selfish 1%'er with some better social views albeit spineless I wouldn't be as turned off. The Drug War has destroyed this country in so many ways. And so has wars abroad. Bush Sr is behind most of it and supporting one of his Vichy-like lackeys is too hard to stomach.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd pretend a circus is a game-change too were I less rational and emotionally invested in a candidate. So I absolutely understand your desire to pretend this debate is more than it is. You need to. At this late stage in the primaries, I feel sympathy for the hypocrites who have to that.
still_one
(92,482 posts)sanders and trump can go ______________________..
They both are ___________
June 7th will tell the whole story, and after the convention, he will ________________ back to Vermont
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Besides, there is no need for that.
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)I will probably be on another two or three. I wish personas would stop and really think about what they are doing when they alert.
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Andy823
(11,495 posts)Just look at this thread and all the new posters going after Hillary again.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The undersides of bridges are deserted these days.
Grammar is the correct spelling. I'm sure you don't want to be accidentally confused with those under the bridge things.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)So why accuse Bernie supporters of trolling? It all came up because Bernie and Trump want to debate. So we know who is doing the hating. And by the way there are people outside the campaign in the defense industry that want Hillary to win. They could always insert themselves as they have actual jobs and positions in online opinion and perception management. Who would be outside Bernies campaign that would chime in? I can't think of any? No money in it that's why.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)The post they tried to have hidden didn't fill in the blanks, just left it to the readers' imagination.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)and you will wonder why a shitload of actual lifetime Democratic Party members will stay home or not vote for Clinton in November? Posts like this epitomise the imperial attitude so many of the HRC camp project.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Have you been reading this board?
Please.......
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)is because of her supporters and how they behave. I believe they made that a valid reason earlier in this primary
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)of the people who will stay home and not vote for the Dem nominee inn November. As you named them, they are a "shitload."
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)They are both against Hillary. I expect Sanders to be a traitor and help Trump to get back at Hillary.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)They may even team up once the primary and convention is over. They both have that door open. Only a couple months to go.
Trump may not make it through the Republican convention. Some republicans haven't released their delegates.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)But accepting the invitation at all helps Trump and therefore hurts Hillary.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sanders had an interview with Kimmel the previous day and set it up.
ws for jimmy kimmel show trump sanders
Donald Trump is Willing to Debate Bernie Sanders - YouTube
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arikara
(5,562 posts)Trump has enough delegates and IS the republican nominee. I don't know if they could take it away from him now.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Two Republicans with a lot of delegates have refused to release their delegates. He doesn't have a popular majority either, Trump likes to showboat and create an 'media tabloid-like illusion. He has to make it through the republican convention. <<< a major republican problem.
druidity33
(6,450 posts)Sanders defends her against Trumps attacks more often than he agrees with them...
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)But if that's his attitude I don't see why he wants to debate Trump at all.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Bernie won't even mention Hillary. He is an ally and Clinton should be happy he's going after Trump. But once again Clintonites more concerned with losing the limelight. Arrogance. Ego.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)That they do not have the cajones to do so. That's because most of them talk in circles. Bernie is straight when he talks. He would go on Faux, or even Crush Limpballs to debate if given the opportunity.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Especially if they are a third wayer, or DINO. Their true colors might show.
7962
(11,841 posts)Like them or not, Fox is continually #1 in the ratings. Go show those voters who you are. Sanders has been on Fox in uncontrolled settings before. He's still alive to tell about it!!
Hillary is terrified of a Megyn Kelly moment. Or several of them!!
7962
(11,841 posts)Seems like if they were going to be SO BAD & UNFAIR that they would also treat Sanders the same way.
Yet he's appeared on Fox several times. He even did a live O'Reilly interview. Hillary would pass out from fear of a tough question.
Its all bullshit these days.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)She dealt with republicans for 11 hours in one day, you don't think she can't debate Bernie?
Been there... Done that...
jmowreader
(50,571 posts)After nine trips to the podium...what's the point of a tenth? Californians know his positions as well as the rest of the country...and as the polls show, they're not crazy about them.
still_one
(92,482 posts)debating, who don't haven't the slightest idea how the government works. Just read the NY Daily News interview of sanders. It was pathetic how confused he was. He has no idea how to implement anything that he has been saying his stump speeches.
roody
(10,849 posts)And he doesn't know how government works? Get real.
still_one
(92,482 posts)Gene Debs
(582 posts)thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)People pay more attention when their own primary is coming up. That is, more Californians would probably watch a debate now than would have in Feb or March.
re: "Californians know his positions as well as the rest of the country" -- Yet, in the poll released today (reported in numerous other threads), Clinton leads Sanders in CA 46% to 44%... which only adds up to 90%, leaving an awful lot of people who still apparently don't feel they know enough to be sure who they will choose.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)She did not do it voluntarily.
Wibly
(613 posts)That's like claiming Ali should not have fought Frazier because he'd fought someone else.
Unfortunately, its a lame argument that cowards use when they are not willing to admit they are scared.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Wibly
(613 posts)I'm not carrying water for FOX Repubs.
Your argument must be very weak in order for you to resort to such an accusation.
Think I'll just ignore you from now on.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Keep believing that.
Wibly
(613 posts)A smart-ass, schoolyard bully-style response!
And you wonder why Hillary has not already won the nomination against a guy who wasn't even expected to be in contention!
Maybe you should check your own style of campaigning.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if both of them weren't so busy trying to drum up free attention. I'm guessing this little circus will draw a nice audience.
Question is, will Bernie do us proud or...
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)But, then, neither is Drumpf, with his blustery, insulting gobbledygook.
From ancient grudge break to new banality,
Where uncivil spew makes uncivil lips unclean.
From forth the mouths of these two foes,
A mound of moronic meanderings will emerge;
Whose misadventured piteous bleatings,
Do with their shame, bury their supporters' strife,
Which, but their defeat, naught can efface.
~ With apologies to William Shakespeare - Prologue to Romeo and Juliet
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the foes are the far left and the right. I'll not be "parent" to this.
Thanks. I enjoyed that.
I'm an eternal optimist, though. Sanders is running under the Democratic Party banner. He may have a really unfortunate and limiting streak of extremism in him, and he really seem to!, but he's not lacking in earnestness, as his scam-artist opponent certainly is. IF he focuses on his ideology and leaves Hillary and the Democratic Party alone, huge "if," I'm rooting for him to do better than just okay. If not, though, he's already mud to me as a candidate and if he shames the party by coming off trumpled and bleeding that's just too bad for the party.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I laugh at the Hilarity
He is out-raising Clinton every month... However he isn't getting millions of dollars in illegal campaign donations from the Corporate media... Because he isn't their Corporate owners preferred candidate...
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)At this point, he is almost certain to lose the nomination to Hillary. From that perspective, there is basically no downside to this for him. That is, if it goes badly, he loses the nomination he was almost certainly going to lose anyway. But if he does well, he slightly increases his viability, by possibly helping him win more delegates on June 7. And to the extent that there are any super delegates who may actually consider switching to him (for whatever reason), a strong showing against Trump could help. You could say a weak showing against Trump hurts, but not really, because the way I see it, a weak showing against Trump lowers his chances from barely perceptible to a different degree of barely perceptible... that is, when you're near the bottom, there just isn't much further to fall. There is much more potential up than down.
But even more than any of that, if nothing else, a debate like this (which will probably reach more people than any of his other debates did) serves Bernie's bigger purpose very well, which is getting exposure for his platform.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's a nonsensical one, because I'd think a greater realization would come from debating. Certainly, Hillary's been invited, and she needs money more than Sanders does at this point.
The more obvious reason is the question everyone's been creeping around... Sanders easily beats Drumpf in poll after poll.
Let's now see why.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)How much did you get paid to post this Bernie attack, low count poster?
dinkytron
(568 posts)mac56
(17,575 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)We will learn a lot from this if it actually happens, about all the candidates.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)And showing again that he does not care about doing things the traditional way.
There are lots of reasons he could agree.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Response to whirlygigspin (Original post)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)so they don't count...
brush
(53,948 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)brush
(53,948 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Whenever something isn't catered toward Bernie it's 'obviously' corrupt or corporate.
brush
(53,948 posts)SusanLarson
(284 posts)Because that's gonna encourage Sanders voters to back Clinton if she's the nominee. Not very smart if you ask me!
bjo59
(1,166 posts)It's the leadership of the UAW that made the endorsement.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and other union MANAGEMENT have endorsed Clinton. When the membership of a union is asked what candidate they support, it turns out to be Bernie as in the Nurses' Union, and the Communications Workers' Union.
modestybl
(458 posts)... might give the respective campaign managers severe heartburn, but would be a great service to the voters... particularly those in the remaining primary states.
MADem
(135,425 posts)We'll see if this happens--I'm guessing it won't, but who knows, really?
Pluvious
(4,328 posts)They know the ratings for this would be YUGE, and pull in many viewers who'd normally never tune in to a political show on Fox.
MADem
(135,425 posts)For the "privilege" of debating him, I guess?
Bottom line, I suspect, is that whatever Fox offers, IF they offer anything, Trump will say it's not enough.
By debating the loser of the Democratic nomination, Trump leaves himself open to charges that he, too, is a loser, participating in a loser's debate.
The optics are ghastly.
And Clinton's not going to get involved in that sort of childish poopflinging spectacle. She's above that sort of fray. She's taking her case to the American people--the ones who actually vote.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)he needs to accept it; he lost.
brush
(53,948 posts)Trump is trying to undermine Hillary and is using Sanderss to do it because he knows Sanders' baggage has not been exposed to the public and will this be easy to beat once they start ripping him.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She deserves this. It's called hubris for those who forgot their studies.
brush
(53,948 posts)The race is decided.
Sanders is taking a risk with this. We've all seen how Trump ridiculed the other repugs in their debates.
He may out Sanders' baggage from their opposition research.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)What does he have to lose? Nothing.
brush
(53,948 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bernie will play it, not if he should have agreed. If anyone's using anyone more, it's Bernie using the media's, and nation's, Trump binge.
lakeguy
(1,640 posts)now that the shoe is on the other foot she says "NOPE". if she wants to gain back some of that trust people do not have for her, maybe she should stop saying things she won't do?
i wouldn't want to do the debate either, but she gambled with the debate agreement and should suck it up now, like a leader.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)and this isn't the time to start. No Dems should be validating and promoting that network.
zazen
(2,978 posts)brush
(53,948 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She won't. She's afraid to debate him on the merits.
brush
(53,948 posts)I can wait to see Clinton v Trump. Not on FOX though, screw their right wing ass
And if you're referring to Sanders, why would you say she's afraid? She's done well in the debates against Sanders, especially in exposing his weaknesses on foreign policy.
There's just no need for another debate. And we've all seen Sanders' stump speak over and over and over, which is what he recites in the debates.
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)There are a ton of FOX viewers who are unhappy with Trump. What better way to reach them than on FOX?
Hillary and Bernie did a town hall there, I thought it was a good move... and would be an even better one now, with Trump the decided nominee.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She still agreed. That excuse could be used to say she never agreed to debate during the week, or in the evening or on a cloudy day. Weak argument.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)On other threads you include all the town halls when declaring there have been enough debates. But Hillary and Bernie did a FOX town hall and now it doesn't count? Typical Clintonian doublespeak. It's why you lost us a long time ago.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)Relax. She's got this. Remember?
roody
(10,849 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)line" and "sit down and shut up" very well and obey like good soldiers, Progressives don't march to that beat, don't blindly follow.
We haven't lost and we will fight to the convention and beyond. Sen Sanders is free to do as he pleases. I know that conservatives and the corporatist DNC don't like that, but it's way more democratic and Democratic than blindly following the choice of the Power That Be.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Just stepping up the damage to the presumptive nominee.
It's going to be nothing but a Hillary bash fest.
Wibly
(613 posts)Look very bad, weak, and scared.
She'd much prefer to debate Trump then debate a man who is knowledgeable and genuine.
It makes her look irrelevant, which she is about to become.
This also establishes a Sanders/Trump match in the voters' minds.
Very big mistake for Hillary.
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findrskeep
(713 posts)jmowreader
(50,571 posts)"I don't know" is not an acceptable answer to "how would you actually accomplish your platform?" And it's the answer he gave...repeatedly.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)that the Daily News interview was set up as a gotcha interview. But people who saw the ENTIRE interview saw that Bernie was given little time to answer questions and were given questions that were nonsense, and not true.
"Take the exchange getting the most attention: Sanders supposed inability to describe exactly how he would break up the biggest banks. Sanders said that if the Treasury Department deemed it necessary to do so, the bank would go about unwinding itself as it best saw fit to get to a size that the administration considered no longer a systemic risk to the economy. Sanders said this could be done with new legislation, or through administrative authority under Dodd-Frank.
This is true, as economist Dean Baker, Peter Eavis at The New York Times, and HuffPosts Zach Carter in a Twitter rant have all pointed out. Its also the position of Clinton herself. We now have power under the Dodd-Frank legislation to break up banks. And Ive said I will use that power if they pose a systemic risk, Clinton said at a February debate. No media outcry followed her assertion, because it was true.
As the interview went on, though, it began to appear that the Daily News editors didnt understand the difference between the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve. Follow in the transcript how Sanders kept referring to the authority of the administration and the Treasury Department through Dodd-Frank, known as Wall Street reform, while the Daily News editors shifted to the Fed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779ce4b0a506064d8df5
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Beacool
(30,253 posts)All his grandiose proposals rely on a "political revolution" and don't deal with the reality on the ground.
Smoke and mirrors........
zalinda
(5,621 posts)still_one
(92,482 posts)against Hillary, and she wasn't even trying hard.
What she has put up with between the republicans, the left and the right, people know she is not weak.
Bernie, on the other hand, was never vetted, and has been getting off easy.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)picked Bernie as the winner. The only 'people' to say Hillary won were the talking heads on MSM.
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billhicks76
(5,082 posts)According to your logic. Guess anyone can say anything. 90% of people thought Bernie won each debate.
I've watched all the debates between Clinton and Sanders, and never saw Clinton win one of them.
What are you talking about?
And maybe you need to take off the special sunglasses and pull out the special ear plugs the Clinton campaign gave you.
Nowhere has an independent reviewer, or even any sane member of the Clinton Campaign, claimed that Sanders hasn't been able to more than adequately debate Clinton.
Don't let you bias blind you.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)debate each other as team up to bash Hillary. Bernie, however, won't play. He'll stick to the issues and leave Trump looking like the idiot he is. Advantage Bernie.
Hillary will definitely regret that she turned down the invitation to debate in California. She never saw this coming.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie will DESTROY that Trumpster fire in the debate and show the country why he will be the next President of the United States. Go Bernie!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)and that talking about Clinton specifically be prohibited. Health, education, jobs, immigration, race, policing, foreign policy, drugs, etc. Any and all subjects but the horse race.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)Metric System
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RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Not for at least a few weeks.
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(1,192 posts)This is just annoying.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)No fair. If you get Tahiti I want New Zealand.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Go Bernie!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Wearing the uniform I see. You must be a liberal then. Moving along. Nothing to see here.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Clinton blew it. When you sit on your hand you invite circumstance to decide your fate.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Once Trump figures that out I expect he'll change his tune.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)This is gonna be so entertainin! Bring on the popcorn.
applegrove
(118,865 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)Waiting for Hillary to scramble in and demand a spot.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)TeamPooka
(24,279 posts)whirlygigspin
(3,803 posts)and how are you Mr. Wilson?
still_one
(92,482 posts)Eko
(7,389 posts)Im interested in anyone on the left making trump look more like a loon on national television. Go bernie.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I've always thought Sanders did horribly in debate formats, and I think Trump in particular would get under his skin to no end.
zazen
(2,978 posts)Bernie will get under Trump's skin like no other and on a national stage where Trump won't be able to storm off (although I could envision that happening during a break.)
Bernie is of a generation that is chivalrous toward women and he would never call out Clinton as aggressively as he would Trump. He will mock and bait Trump as only a fellow New Yorker can, reminiscent of guys doing "the dozens."
Trump will really show his ass by, in desperation, going after Bernie's wife and comparing her to Melania according to some ridiculous media-manufactured standard and then Bernie will wipe the floor with him.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That's exactly what will happen.
Trump may debate Bernie, but I suspect he's not going to attack him. The smart play by Trump would be to give Bernie the forum to talk about economic problems, then say "Look, he's completely right about these problems! The establishment HAS been screwing over the little guy for years. Here's how we're going to fix it..." and then use that to attack Clinton from the LEFT on trade policies. Trump can use this as a mechanism of courting independent Sanders supporters for the general. Don't make the assumption that because someone supports Sanders they could never support Trump. Both Trump and Sanders are tapping into an anti-establishment rage.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)But that again Bernie has nothing to lose, and as someone pointed out he is running out of money and this would be free air time for him. I think it's a mistake, but I also think it will never happen.
Uncle Joe
(58,481 posts)Thanks for the thread, whirlygigspin.
Harriety
(298 posts)Go Bernie!
Volaris
(10,275 posts)I would like to see an example of a Trump Sanders General Election, even if Hillary ends up being the nominee.
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)The penalty for an unsanctioned debate is exclusion from future sanctioned debates. Since Hillary won't debat anymore, there's nothing for him to be excluded from.
(Though technically, I don't think that debating a Republican would violate the rule against unsanctioned Democratic debates anyway.)
Lady_Chat
(561 posts)Wonder if this will really take place.
bucolic_frolic
(43,422 posts)He can trash Clinton without her being there
He can diss Bernie and appear to be the conqueror
Bernie will gain followers and enthusiasm and exposure for
his platform
Whether this will paint Trump as an oligarch and whether significant numbers
of independent voters will know what he's talking about ... unknown
roomtomove
(217 posts)to give ANY credibility to this bufffoon.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)headlines today.
As for this debate - Hillary wanted to turn toward the GE and that is what we are doing. We just left her out. Or rather she took herself out.
Mike Nelson
(9,977 posts)...by Bernie. It will bring him down to Trump's level... "clown show" back on the road, thanks to FOX. But, he's running out of time.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,977 posts)...very different. The proposed Bernie/Trump debate, on FOX, seems like it's going to be an entertainment side-show. If the likely Clinton/Trump debates are presented as such, on FOX with one of their entertainers moderating, I hope Hillary Clinton seriously considers refusing to appear with "The Donald".
bunnies
(15,859 posts)What better place to do it than Fox news? Kick trumps ass in his own house. Hell yeah.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Maybe even a Fox program.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Trump needs his comeuppance. If it is Bernie that has a chance to deliver it, then let's do it.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Sanders is not fit to lead the Democratic party.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)Sanders has brought more new energy, blue collar workers, and young people into the party than anyone else in the past few years. Saying you don't like his policies is fine, but you can't deny he deserves a spot at the table.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)But now you made me think. Sanders does not deserve a seat at the table. what has he been anointed or something?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Trump just won enough delegates to be the GOP candidate. This isn't a year ago when he was one of 19 different candidates and was actually largely insignificant.
As frightening and as nauseating as it is to say this, Trump is a legitimate presidential candidate.
So, I largely disagree with you when you say this is legitimizing Trump.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Something I already knew. He legitimized that tRump is worthy of consideration. However Sanders is known to switch parties for convenience so maybe he has his eye on becoming a Republican.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)He has been a consistent liberal for the last 40 years he has been in government. He is the least likely of the candidates to shift to the right...
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)He has shown he can join whatever is convenient in the past. A lot of Sanders supporters have said they would vote tRump over Clinton so maybe Sanders is considering changing again.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)But, he is best aligned with the beliefs and goals of the Democratic party & will not shift right in the GE.
Lucky Luciano
(11,266 posts)Hillary supporters should like this idea - doing some dirty work for her should be supported. I support anybody who wants to humiliate trump on live tv.
Saviolo
(3,284 posts)Judging by the comments in this thread, at least. How is this situation not win-win for Hillary?
Scenario 1) Bernie pastes Trump, and he's wildly weaker going into the GE than he was before.
Scenario 2) Trump blusters his way right through Sanders, effectively ending any chance of a Bernie nom at the convention, and giving Hillary some ammo to use later against Trump (he debated the guy who was losing, etc...).
I don't think Trump's going to go through with it, honestly. I think he'll pull out, because the last thing he wants is a real one-on-one debate with anyone. Of course he'll have to later, but that's future Trump's problem.
Lucky Luciano
(11,266 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)I see two opportunities, here. One is that Bernie can do all Democrats a favor by being himself, which is great. The contrast between the empathetic Sanders and the narcissistic Trump will be impressive.
The other is that Mrs. Clinton can wisely stay away from this event and instead do something Presidential. I think she wins by avoiding this one.
That doesn't mean she has to avoid Trump in the future and I hope she doesn't. But letting Sanders have a solo crack at Trump will be rewarding for his many supporters, will serve to further highlight Trump's serious deficiencies as a human being, and will not do much damage to Mrs. Clinton directly even if both candidates savage her offstage at the debate.
polly7
(20,582 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)She agreed to a debate with Sanders yet now will not. Doesn't sound all that 'Presidential' to me, after proclaiming while running against Obama that all candidates should work for every vote and be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. Apparently, Californians are no longer included as those who deserve what she stated.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)First, I find the need these days to spell it out quite clearly: I am a Sanders supporter who is about to be a Clinton supporter, because of the reality that will soon face all of us. Sanders' politics fits my own better than any candidate I've seen in decades, which is why he's going to lose, and while I'm sorry for that, I followed Mrs. Clinton's career in the Senate well enough to know that she is extremely competent and eminently qualified for the job. I will happily support her as well.
So where we are right now, the dynamic has shifted for Mrs. Clinton. Like it or not, she is the presumptive nominee, and I don't see anything changing that. Trump is a joke of a candidate (note that I am not diminishing the dire seriousness of his winning the Republican nomination, which is frankly nightmarish). He does not need to be treated in the way other candidates would be, and Trump should not be treated as a regular candidate.
Trump is an ignorant preening narcissist, just like George W. Bush only a little smarter, more crass, and more socially dominant. He is a poo-flinging baboon sergeant and he's inviting the Democrats into his cage.
Part of what Trump is trying to do is to draw Mrs. Clinton away from states yet to participate in the primaries, and to go straight after him. That would weaken her position in those states which have yet to vote.
Bernie is not in a position to win and won't have an opportunity to go straight at Trump after the convention, so by all means let's let him do it now.
The primaries are still ongoing, the convention has yet to be held, and Democrats are still competing against other Democrats for the nomination. Mrs. Clinton has an opportunity to pay attention to the states which have yet to choose, while letting Bernie Sanders get his hands dirty with the baboon, out of season, against tradition and protocol, and so on. That works for Mrs. Clinton and for Bernie Sanders, which is a nice compromise considering the situation.
jalan48
(13,905 posts)No debate for her.
YankeeBravo
(19 posts)and conviction. Exactly as expected from a man who marched with MLK!
bucolic_frolic
(43,422 posts)Charity and their puny contributions, relatively speaking, is Republican socialism.
Just don't tax them and they'll keep bribing the system.
findrskeep
(713 posts)wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)Trump will have an excuse, like "Oh, I meant if Sanders was the nominee!"
barbtries
(28,816 posts)get a word in edgewise
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)As a Hillary supporter who is constantly berated with "Sanders polls that he can beat Trump in the GE", I'd love to see the debate between Sanders and Trump. Then, I'd like to see where the polling goes.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Let the chips fall where they may.
Laser102
(816 posts)I also think there will be a lot of name calling. Crazy Bernie, communist, etc. etc. We will see if he gets anything out of this, I really doubt it. If anything this is gold for fox.
trudyco
(1,258 posts)I'd rather watch it there.
The two anti-establishment candidates and yet completely opposite in so many things.
Wish it could be a joint TYT/Faux News set up.
SunSeeker
(51,771 posts)http://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-donald-trump-debate-bernie-sanders/
noneko
(33 posts)merkins
(399 posts)With the server scandal and Hillary's downward momentum he would rather face Hillary than Bernie in the GE.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Bernie Bros throwin' chairs vs Trump supporters throwin' punches.