Dayton Signs Bill Switching Minnesota To Presidential Primary
Source: CBS Minnesota
ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) A bill to replace Minnesotas caucus system with a presidential primary was signed Sunday by Gov. Mark Dayton.
Lawmakers introduced the measure this year after voters expressed frustration with overcrowding and long lines at caucus sites across the state... Voters voiced their concerns about the presidential caucus and lawmakers took action.
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For the first time in years, Minnesotas caucuses mattered. The states stake became clear as the number of candidates making campaign stops continued to grow ahead of March 1. The build reached a breaking point that day when voters showed up to caucus.
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Were going to have more people able to participate, Political expert David Schultz said.
Hamline University Political Science Professor David Schultz says primaries open the door to same-day registration, absentee voting and more flexibility. Nationally, primaries generally speak louder than caucuses in terms of having an imprint of selection for the presidential nominee, Schultz said.
Read more: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/05/22/dayton-bill-presidential-primary/
Good bye driving in the cold and the dark in the middle of a Minnesota winter night.
Hello voting in the middle of the day, or absentee.
George II
(67,782 posts)LisaM
(27,850 posts)Close them off to Republicans and crossover voters also.
Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)more people participated in the primary.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but it will still be an open primary
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Does your lack of trust extend to the results there?
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)On 16 September 1997, the U.S. House of Representatives stopped the Texas-Vermont-Maine compact in a vote of 243 to 176. This marked the first time nuclear disposal had even been debated as a possibly negative solution. Governor Bush wanted the compact reintroduced; his forces combined with that of the nuclear lobby made sure it was passed when next voted on in 1997.
When President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law, Addington and allies went directly to the media. Sources such as the Washington Post and the New York Times reported on the environmental racism of the Sierra Blanca case. 60% of the towns residents were poor and Latino, yet the compact and the TLLRWDAs environmental report had not been translated into Spanish and distributed. The state department had already been receiving pressure from the Mexican government, and the negative American press did not help.
On 16 April 1998, several months before the Texas Radioactive Waste Bill was set to go before Congress, Mexicos Green Ecologist Party announced that several of its members and the Mexico City councilman Jose Luis Rodriguez began a 24-day hunger strike. They spent the duration of the strike on the bridge between Juarez, Mexico, and El Paso, Texas. They carried letters of protest from Mexican Congressmen, which pointed to the violation of the La Paz Treaty.
https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/texans-defend-sierra-blanca-community-against-nuclear-waste-disposal-1996-1998
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)was doing, he could have vetoed it but chose not to, did Hilary protest it or did she support Bill?
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Since the laws go thru the Congress and end up on the Pres' s desk is there any other law the the " amendment king" actively pursued which he wants to transfer credit ( responsibility ) to the President.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)paid for it Jane Sanders. Deflection doesn't work, he stripped Wellstone's environmental racism provisions from the admendment.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...and Wisconsin is similar to MN.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)The voted for Walker three times and the night of the primary the voted for some whack-ass state Supreme Court justice that Walker picked.
Using that state as an example of sanity probably isn't the wisest.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)That's nearly 67,000 more than the combined republicans.
That crazy ass conservative hack of a judge still won, and there's no excuse for that.
Yes, Walker signed voter I.D. laws, but the left didn't vote down ballot the way they should have.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)A combined 1,000,000 people voted for the democratic candidates.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-04-05
And they let that kook judge win.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Bernie's voters did not vote the down ticket while Hill's did. Theres a thread in here with actual stats if you want to look.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I kind of misread your post.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)There's a court case to overturn it and its looking good. I have an article on another thread its on my journal page.
jfern
(5,204 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,168 posts)Bernie would have won even bigger.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...but with separate ballots for Democrats and Republicans.
I prefer the system for the MN US Senate primary: same ballot for everyone. Voters mark candidates in the Democratic box or Republican box but not both.
Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)And a ton of over-votes?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)"Namely, the optical scan voting machines in so-called precinct count precincts are programmed to reject or kick back to voters overvoted and entirely blank ballots."
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~herron/mn.pdf
stone space
(6,498 posts)...at the Iowa Democratic Caucus, I suspect that some caucusgoers at my precinct might have taken the opportunity to do so.
I can't imagine disregarding somebody's choice in the Democratic Caucus simply because they felt inclined to oppose Trump at a Democratic Caucus, after being offered the opportunity to do so.
Giving Democrats the opportunity to oppose somebody like Trump in a Democratic Caucus or a Democratic Primary, only to use that against them as an excuse to disregard their choice in their own party seems counterproductive to me.
Some caucusgoers and voters are likely to feel like they have been tricked into invalidating their own choice in their own party.
Wagging a finger at them for not reading the ballot carefully enough or for not understanding caucus rules better will not make anybody feel more included in the party process. Indeed, it is more likely to make them feel excluded and disenfranchised.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...says on it: Vote in either box below but not both.
I haven't heard that there is an overvote problem.
Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Fla Dem
(23,875 posts)Isn't that decision left up to each state party? I thought each state's political party gets to define who can vote in their primaries.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Primaries are much more inclusive than caucuses.
And people want to talk about voter suppression...
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Now if they can figure out how to convince the state Democratic Party (DNC) bosses to allow the Primaries to be open (where EVERYONE can vote, not just regular Dems, but Independents too,) then you might have more of a democracy.
Congratulations, Minnesota. You're getting closer to the real thing!
Why should they be open?
It's a democratic primary, not an independent primary.
You want to chose the nominee for said party then join that party.
Everyone can vote if they register correctly.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You want them closed, have the party pick up 100% of the cost
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)This is like those dumb arguments that people without kids shouldn't pay taxes for schools, but worse.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)As far as I know, the only time Independents can vote in a Primary is if that state Dem Party has an open election.
That rule right there needs to be shot. Like about 1,000,000,000 times. If this is a democracy, then let the effing people vote!
Limiting people's right to vote isn't very Democratic, Chicago. What is it about democracy that you don't like?
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)If you're not a member of the party, why would you care who the party's nominee is? The only thing having primaries be open accomplishes is setting us up to get trolled by Republicans and people who want to see our party fail.
question everything
(47,580 posts)and the "vote suppression" when his lawsuit in New York did not open them.
These are primaries, or even caucuses, that are supposed to select the party nominees. Why should voters who do not declare that they are Democrats be part of this?
I once participated in an open primary in California. I voted for the weakest Republican candidate against Boxer. Did not matter, though..
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)It isn't the decision of the DNC if states have open primaries but I would like that to be a goal in the party platform (just as the DNC doesn't decide the minimum wage but I'd like $15/hour to be a goal in the party platform.)
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... to have open or closed Dem Primaries is decided by the Democratic Party Platform? I wonder how they make that decision from one state to the next, where one state has closed Primaries and another has open Primaries? I am looking so forward to watching the Platform Committee meeting this year. I've watched it in the past, but it seemed long and drawn out and boring. This year's ought to be gangbusters to watch.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...or closed primaries is a matter of state law, decided by the governor and legislature of each state.
The Democratic Party could recommend open primaries in its platform.
That might influence Democratic governors to try to change the law if their states currently have closed primaries.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Don't states realize that by designating their state's Primary as closed that they are disenfranchising Independents from their vote? How is it constitutional to bar certain voters from participating in the election process?
ISUGRADIA
(2,571 posts)A voter may register with the party in order to vote in that primary election.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... they're shite out of luck. Why don't they just outlaw "Independents?"
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)We'll just have general elections for every office...
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... everything down to two opposing candidates.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Minnesota is in like flint now! Go Minnesota!!!!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)an invasion of privacy
About what party you are in?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the democratic party is DFL-Democratic Farmer Labor
even the Republicans are IR Independent republicans
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... asks me my party status, I almost want to tell them it's none of their business. If they need to know, why don't they know the answer already from when I first registered some one hundred thousand years ago? It's like asking someone how much money they have in the bank, or how much their paycheck is. Personally, I think all election rules should be the same, no matter where you live or vote. Universal.
ISUGRADIA
(2,571 posts)They gave up the Independent part in the late 1990s and it's like every other Republican Party now.
question everything
(47,580 posts)You get a ballot, one side lists Republican candidates and the other the Democrat. No one knows which side you are using.
This was a concern expressed by some that when you register at a closed primary there is a "record" of which one you participated.
Of course, there could be a "record" of which caucus you participated, since there were separate ones for each party...
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)People can register on primary day, but must declare either dem or repub. and the information is public. This prevents anyone wanting privacy from voting in the primary.
Not good from that stand point.
Minnesota will also keep it's caucuses, just not on the same day as the primary.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...and that will be recorded.
But I consider it an open primary since we still won't have party registration and people who consider themselves Independents can ask for a Republican or Democratic ballot.
question everything
(47,580 posts)with Democrats on one side, and Republicans on the other. At least, it has been like that with senate candidates and, I think, other state offices like governor, secretary of state, etc. And no one knows which side you filled..
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)and not in the dead of winter. And there needs to be absentee voting allowed.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Everyone should use mail ballots like Oregon.
Kingofalldems
(38,508 posts)and she won here handily.
So try again.
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PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)think Dayton turned into being a Conservative without anyone looking. I think it'll fall apart..