Trump Won't Rule Out Effort to Remove Ryan as Convention Chairman
Source: NY Times
Donald J. Trump will not rule out an effort to remove Paul D. Ryan as chairman of the Republican National Convention if he does not endorse Mr. Trumps candidacy.
Mr. Trump stopped short of calling for Mr. Ryan, the speaker of the House, to step down from his convention role. But in an interview that aired Sunday on NBCs Meet the Press, Mr. Trump said there could be consequences in the event that Mr. Ryan continues withholding his support.
I will give you a very solid answer, if that happens, about one minute after that happens, okay? Mr. Trump said. Theres no reason to give it right now, but Ill be very quick with the answer.
Mr. Trump has shown little interest over the last few days in placating his critics inside the party, including Mr. Ryan. The Wisconsin lawmaker said on Thursday that he was not ready to endorse Mr. Trump, citing reservations about his political style and policy agenda. The two men are scheduled to meet privately in Washington next week.
Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wont-rule-out-effort-to-remove-ryan-as-convention-chairman/ar-BBsLRZr?ocid=iehp
I think this shows that Trump is not messing around about the fact that this is now his Republican party. Also, rather than let Ryan try to be clever by delaying and suggesting that there is any negotiation taking place, now when Ryan announces his support for Trump (which was bound to happen sooner or later) it looks like he came to heel under Trump.
jpak
(41,760 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I think this shows that Trump is not looking for the Presidency as some sort of trophy where he just sits around in the oval office. He plans to consolidate his power, and is not going to try to kiss Ryan's ass. It is going to be the other way around.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)PNW_Dem
(119 posts)Who needs Game of Thrones when you can watch this play out for free?
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)David Duke?
Bring on the GOP circular firing squad. Ready. Aim . . . .
LiberalFighter
(51,301 posts)gopiscrap
(23,767 posts)GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)It's like fighting in the dark with knives. Everybody gets cut to pieces. It's glorious times we're witnessing.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)exists at all. It stinks to hell. Democrats should stop being so smug since our long march to conservatism culminating in a neo-con candidate called Hillary is enabling and legitimizing extremists like Trump.
As long as Republicans put out an extremist, DNC uses it as cover to promote a horrible conservative candidate like Clinton.
We keep moving the what it means to be left more and more to the right.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Yup, I am sure this was President Obama's Secret Plan to have Trump and co suggest he was Kenyan.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)dembotoz
(16,865 posts)betcha mitt romney is having bain capital wet dreams over this
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,069 posts)After that point, creating a big floor fight to fire Ryan would be moot and destructive to the GOP.
Oh, wait, the GOP is suicidal this year. OK, never mind.
yellowcanine
(35,704 posts)Trump could still not get enough delegates to win on the first ballot. As you say, the Chair of the Convention should remain neutral until a candidate is actually nominated. But of course they often haven't.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,069 posts)RATM435
(392 posts)malthaussen
(17,235 posts)... the subject is holding the sword in the left hand? Bugs the shit out of me.
-- Mal
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Now he's going to sink them. Pure karma.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I think it is a mistake to assume that a message of hate and resentment might not be embraced by a majority of the electorate. There are series of books, most notably ''Hitler's Willing Executioners," which talks about how normal Germans were generally aware of the holocaust and either supported it or just did not care.
https://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/09/bsp/hitler.html
A basic question posed by students of the Holocaust has to do with the psychology of the ordinary perpetrators of the genocide against the Jews. How, some scholars have asked, did those who carried out the slaughter overcome the moral scruples it would be normal to feel when faced with the annihilation of an entire people, a far-flung people, moreover, that posed no threat to the German homeland.
That is the wrong question, Daniel Jonah Goldhagen argues in this masterly, powerfully argued book. ''Hitler's Willing Executioners'' is an attempt to demolish the standard views about Germans and the Holocaust by arguing that when it came to the Jews, average Germans had no moral scruples to overcome in the first place.
The perpetrators of the anti-Jewish slaughter, Mr. Goldhagen contends, did not kill Jews because of threats or some German propensity for obeying authority. They participated in the slaughter because they were steeped in a historical culture of anti-Semitism. They tortured and massacred Jews, starved them, toyed with them, punished them for their birth, and they did so voluntarily, even eagerly, with unsurpassable malice and cruelty.
''The German perpetrators,'' Mr. Goldhagen wrties, ''were assenting mass executioners, men and women who, true to their own eliminationist anti-Semitic beliefs, faithful to their cultural anti-Semitic credo, considered the slaughter to be just.''
malthaussen
(17,235 posts)It's not like ethnic cleansing is foreign to humans of any race. This is what bugs me about Holocaust writers: the Holocaust is not sui generis, and the motivations and explanations for it have less to do with Jews than they do with human nature.
-- Mal
Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)Given that the subject of your post changes from "normal Germans" to "ordinary perpetrators" I'm not sure if you are implying that the general population or just those directly participating were willfully slaughtering Jewish folks but if you are implying the former, that simply isn't true. Ambivalence was certainly prevalent, total ignorance is highly unlikely, but most people were engaged in doing their own lives while removed from the atrocities and therefore distantly ambivalent, much like in today's American society with respect to police violence toward minorities. Unless you are prepared to assert that MOST Americans are willfully hateful toward minorities?
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I know we like to think the U.S. is special, but our country has a long history of events where normal Americans were aware of and even supported acts of hate against minorities.
It is naive to assume that Trump is such an outlier that Americans might not support such institutional acts of discrimination.
Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)contention that run of the mill German citizens participated in the "slaughter" and "toying with" of Jewish people as they were all acculturated into a hateful point of view. That isn't true. Where we agree, however, and what was far more commonplace in Germany, is that it is all too easy to shrug off atrocities when they are perceived as distant from your locus of control. Americans or Germans who supported or support acts of hate are hardly normal. There are many who didn't in each of your examples and there are many who would not today. The problem is the way too many who wouldn't care one way or the other: the ambivalent and I agree bad things can and do happen within our society. I guess we could argue that ambivalence is a passive form of hate but I'm not sure it isn't something else altogether.
getagrip_already
(14,950 posts)For a rules change to throw him to the curb. Why else would you piss off literally everyone you can?
It is clear he is running a third party campaign from within the gop. So let him run it on the outside if he doesn't want to use the party for anything useful......
houston16revival
(953 posts)This is scary
There are no limits to his power and boundaries
bulloney
(4,113 posts)It should be, but you don't hear anything about it.
The Republican Party is in a state of chaos at a level I've never seen, and Priebus' lack of leadership is a contributing factor. After the 2012 Presidential elections the Republicans had their self-evaluation on why they lost and did nothing. In fact, the factors that the party concluded led to their loss in the 2012 POTUS election have gotten worse. The current primary season debacle with the clown car of Republican candidates parading the country since January, leading up to the all-but-inevitable nomination of Trump, has made this POTUS election a farce, and it's largely because of the lack of leadership from Priebus.
I remember the party running Michael Steele out and he looked a helluva lot more competent holding the position than Priebus ever has. Personally, I think Steele's skin color was as much of a factor in his shortened stint as party chair.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)He is starting to fall into line. This is now Trump's party.
houston16revival
(953 posts)of the Know-Nothing's
They were white northern Europeans too who opposed immigrants and Catholics
to "purify" America
Wonder if they made it great again?
Javaman
(62,534 posts)malthaussen
(17,235 posts)... I do not think he has ever ruled out a single thing since the campaign began. In this, he does not vary much from any other politician.
-- Mal
kimbutgar
(21,270 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)This is great entertainment watching the GOP tear itself apart.
rladdi
(581 posts)I can see him as President. yelling and trashing world leaders. Its my way or no way leaders.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)I love it when these lowlifes attack each other.