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alp227

(32,075 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:53 PM May 2016

US Judge: Clinton may be ordered to testify in records case

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge said Wednesday he may order Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton to testify under oath about whether she used a private email server as secretary of state to evade public records disclosures.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan signed an order granting a request from the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch to question six current and former State Department staffers about the creation and purpose of the private email system. Those on the list were some of Clinton's closest aides during her tenure as the nation's top diplomat, including former chief of staff Cheryl D. Mills, deputy chief of staff Huma Abedin and undersecretary Patrick F. Kennedy.

Also set to testify is Bryan Pagliano, the agency employee who was tasked with setting up the clintonemail.com server located in the basement of the New York home Clinton shares with her husband, former President Bill Clinton. Pagliano has previously refused to testify before Congress, citing his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Based on what might be gleaned in those interviews, which are to be conducted over the next eight weeks, Sullivan says in his order a sworn deposition from Hillary Clinton "may be necessary."

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6b4baccc94e647b1b63cfd8e931f8099/us-judge-clinton-may-be-ordered-testify-records-case

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US Judge: Clinton may be ordered to testify in records case (Original Post) alp227 May 2016 OP
Now folks, this is important. Delay is not an option. N/T Paper Roses May 2016 #1
what does tom delay have to do with this? niyad May 2016 #4
Wow. I think that actually caused me some brain damage. RiverNoord May 2016 #84
Ha ha...' niyad' made a funny laserhaas May 2016 #114
Not looking good for Her Majesty. BillZBubb May 2016 #2
Heard this one for years. beastie boy May 2016 #34
Judicial Watch----Yawn! maxrandb May 2016 #3
Judge Sullivan is a Bill Clinton nominee to the bench. alp227 May 2016 #5
Nope. Appointed by Reagan, promoted by Poppy Bush. COLGATE4 May 2016 #47
Appointed by Reagan, then Poppy Bush, then Clinton. Ford_Prefect May 2016 #73
Reagan/Bush RW judge threatens Hillary in Crazy Larry Klayman suit. COLGATE4 May 2016 #7
Emmett G. Sullivan is a Bill Clinton nominee to the bench nt alp227 May 2016 #14
United States District Judge for the District of Columbia atreides1 May 2016 #24
No. elleng May 2016 #29
Can't you read what you post? Your link says exactly the same thing. COLGATE4 May 2016 #46
"On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton" arcane1 May 2016 #51
'On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton elleng May 2016 #55
Same Wikipedia entry COLGATE4 May 2016 #60
Doesnt matter, they will use ANY source to attack Hillary. Actor May 2016 #78
It is really getting tiresome. Some days I don't know whether I'm on COLGATE4 May 2016 #104
Both of you are correct. LiberalArkie May 2016 #69
Repeating it doesn't make it true. COLGATE4 May 2016 #48
Who was promoted twice by RW Presidents. COLGATE4 May 2016 #63
Well, twice by Republicans, and once by a triangulating "Centrist". bvar22 May 2016 #89
Why are you telling lies about the judge? Disagree with him if you want, but why lie? arcane1 May 2016 #15
They lie because it's all that they have. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #42
What lies am I telling about him. He is a Reagan appointee, promoted COLGATE4 May 2016 #44
"Appointed by Bill Clinton" you conveniently ignore. arcane1 May 2016 #49
Kind of like the current nominee for Scalia's seat, Dustlawyer May 2016 #57
No idea why Bill first appointed him. But he certainly comes with COLGATE4 May 2016 #62
Truth matters - I read the link, what struck me was that he was appointed by Bill Clinton on merbex May 2016 #59
Then look at your link again COLGATE4 May 2016 #61
Do you have a problem understanding how Federal Judges are appointed? merbex May 2016 #68
Which tells you something about his political leanings. COLGATE4 May 2016 #70
When poor people break the law they are predators who need punishment. Jemmons May 2016 #77
OMFG. "Justice is crying in her cell." COLGATE4 May 2016 #79
Being eloquent does not save you from being wrong. Jemmons May 2016 #106
Yeah, I'll get right on that. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #110
There is a prize to Starr that phrase into a short story. greiner3 May 2016 #111
Ouch. Just ouch. RiverNoord May 2016 #88
Everyone is correct LiberalArkie May 2016 #72
They hounded Bill Clinton over Whitewater for years WhiteTara May 2016 #9
Hills hid her Whitewater billing records for two years; lied to grand jury Divernan May 2016 #39
OMFG. Whitewater. Benghazi. Rose Law Firm. COLGATE4 May 2016 #52
It's what we trial lawyers call a pattern of behavior. Divernan May 2016 #65
Really? I don't think that's a pattern of behavior you'd COLGATE4 May 2016 #67
The scandals may have been imaginary elljay May 2016 #81
She's a peach isn't she? She is, without a doubt, one of the biggest control freaks in government merbex May 2016 #66
The records were exculpatory creeksneakers2 May 2016 #80
Miraculously found days after statute to sue HRC expired Divernan May 2016 #99
This is ridiculous. potone May 2016 #109
Some of Clinton's cronies were convicted in Whitewater. Akicita May 2016 #71
Mostly not cronies. creeksneakers2 May 2016 #82
The McDougals and Web Hubbel were definitely Clinton cronies. Akicita May 2016 #105
The developer got in trouble and went to jail. WhiteTara May 2016 #103
The judge may be a wing-nut, but he IS a federal judge Kelvin Mace May 2016 #18
I guess the important distinction is that you are not a federal judge. Bye now. nt thereismore May 2016 #43
U.S. District Court Judge does not work for tomm2thumbs May 2016 #6
Ask them how white water worked out for them leftofcool May 2016 #11
ask the current judge? tomm2thumbs May 2016 #12
Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow. frylock May 2016 #28
No, and no Federal judge ever let his political orientation COLGATE4 May 2016 #53
.... asuhornets May 2016 #8
judicial watch.............enough said! leftofcool May 2016 #10
Federal Judge.............enough said! frylock May 2016 #31
maybe she can ask for immunity in return for testifying tomm2thumbs May 2016 #13
Or move her fundraisers to the DC Circuit courthouse! Divernan May 2016 #102
Busted SusanLarson May 2016 #16
she seemed to indicate this in an ABC News story tomm2thumbs May 2016 #17
Where did you graduate Law School? COLGATE4 May 2016 #54
Hillary is immune from Section b. Akicita May 2016 #74
To evade public records disclosure? LOL! Prove it!!! Judicial watch and Klayman, nuff said. Laser102 May 2016 #19
Hence the inquiry, genius. nt thereismore May 2016 #40
Drip...Drip... SoapBox May 2016 #20
Yap...Yap... beastie boy May 2016 #41
Who the heck has ever said "She will never run"?! Old Crow May 2016 #87
Right wingers have been saying it years ago beastie boy May 2016 #90
Huh. You may be right. Old Crow May 2016 #91
her candidacy was a given to me too. She is just too ambitious to have passed it up, and she beastie boy May 2016 #92
Well, that's understandable. Old Crow May 2016 #93
"Accord is a lot more pleasant than discord." beastie boy May 2016 #94
Judicial Watch SusanLarson May 2016 #21
Or you beastie boy May 2016 #37
link to more info and the order magical thyme May 2016 #22
What's she going to do? Say yes? joshcryer May 2016 #23
'which are to be conducted over the next eight weeks' elleng May 2016 #25
my guess is... tomm2thumbs May 2016 #27
Could be, tomm, elleng May 2016 #33
That was the right wingers' hope, so they could damage the undamaged Bernie beastie boy May 2016 #45
cough gack sputter... frylock May 2016 #26
sounds familiar desmiller May 2016 #64
Piece. Of. Cake! fred v May 2016 #30
remember --------- this is not any part of the FBI investigation. grasswire May 2016 #32
"There have been at least three dozen civil lawsuits filed, including one by The Associated Press" Babel_17 May 2016 #35
Why delete any of the emails ? maindawg May 2016 #36
With such an authoritarian pronouncement I imagine you COLGATE4 May 2016 #56
A sworn deposition is just a signed piece of carefully legalistically crafted paper. Correct me if thereismore May 2016 #38
You're wrong. A sworn deposition is the transcribed record of one party's attorneys COLGATE4 May 2016 #58
Then they scramble and scour everything imaginable Gman May 2016 #50
Interesting precedent to set that a group other than Congress The Second Stone May 2016 #75
You are confusing two issues. BillZBubb May 2016 #95
I got that. If a FOIA plaintiff can question a cabinet secretary about The Second Stone May 2016 #96
Again you miss the point. They aren't going after top secret emails. BillZBubb May 2016 #97
No, I got that too. This opens up every department of the government where The Second Stone May 2016 #100
“Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,” seafan May 2016 #76
The operative word is "may." IOW, he kicked the decision-can down the road. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #83
And Trump may have to testify in the Trump University lawsuit left-of-center2012 May 2016 #85
Right now they're talking about a trial in the fall. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #86
So you're going with "our crook is better than your crook"? BillZBubb May 2016 #98
This is going to get REALLY Messy FreakinDJ May 2016 #101
It's only going to get "messy" maxrandb May 2016 #107
FUCK the Purity Testing FreakinDJ May 2016 #108
kick warrprayer May 2016 #112
Judicial Watch Progressive dog May 2016 #113
 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
84. Wow. I think that actually caused me some brain damage.
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

But you have to get a few points, I guess, for an earnestly attempted pun, even that one...

Well, maybe a point.

OK, half a point, for sure.

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
34. Heard this one for years.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

In reference to Hillary, that is.

If, however, you were posting about Queen Elizabeth, never mind...

maxrandb

(15,392 posts)
3. Judicial Watch----Yawn!
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

Weren't they the ones that were supposed to break President Obama's Kenyan Socialist birth "wide-open"

I won't contact the Admins, but really?? A wing-nut Judge may grant a Wing-nut Organization a chance to question Hillary Clinton?

Not really Breaking News, but I do hope that we can get the 11 hour testimony live on TV so we can watch her wipe the floor with yet another gang of spittle-mouthed old white guys.

alp227

(32,075 posts)
5. Judge Sullivan is a Bill Clinton nominee to the bench.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

Served since 1994 in an otherwise conservative DC circuit court.

Ford_Prefect

(7,927 posts)
73. Appointed by Reagan, then Poppy Bush, then Clinton.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016
Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984.
On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_G._Sullivan

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
7. Reagan/Bush RW judge threatens Hillary in Crazy Larry Klayman suit.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

Stop the presses! We have the Faux headline, at least of the hour.

atreides1

(16,110 posts)
24. United States District Judge for the District of Columbia
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

But he was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

The path to his current position was opened by two Republican presidents!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. "On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton"
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Can't you read what they post?

elleng

(131,372 posts)
55. 'On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia.'

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
60. Same Wikipedia entry
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
104. It is really getting tiresome. Some days I don't know whether I'm on
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:47 PM
May 2016

DU or if I opened Free Republic by mistake.

LiberalArkie

(15,738 posts)
69. Both of you are correct.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

On November 25, 1991, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. While an Associate Judge of that court, and in addition to his full-time case management responsibilities, Judge Sullivan was Chairperson for the Nineteenth Annual Judicial Conference of the District of Columbia, which was held in 1994. The theme for the conference was “Rejuvenating Juvenile Justice - Responses
to the Problems of Juvenile Violence in the District of Columbia.” Judge Sullivan was also appointed by Chief Judge Wagner to chair the “Task Force on Families and Violence for the District of Columbia Courts.”


On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President William J. Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia. Upon his appointment as a United States District Judge, Judge Sullivan became the first person in the District of Columbia to have been appointed by three United States Presidents to three judicial positions.


http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
63. Who was promoted twice by RW Presidents.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
89. Well, twice by Republicans, and once by a triangulating "Centrist".
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

..BUT, and this is the IMPORTANT "BUT" that makes ALL you posts spurious,
BUT, his latest appointment to his current position was made by Democratic President Bill Clinton.
THAT is what is important in this matter.

...or do you also believe that Hillary's work for Goldwater and her leadership of the "Goldwater Girls" at Wellesley College should be a primary concern too?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. They lie because it's all that they have.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

If they told the truth they would hang by their own petard.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
44. What lies am I telling about him. He is a Reagan appointee, promoted
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

by Poppy Bush. Klayman is a certified nut case, as is his suit. Lies? No, I don't think so.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
49. "Appointed by Bill Clinton" you conveniently ignore.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Unless you're willing to acknowledge that Clinton appointed conservative judges. I'm sure his wife will do the same.

Dustlawyer

(10,499 posts)
57. Kind of like the current nominee for Scalia's seat,
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

corporate conservative who will swear an oath to uphold Wall Street and the Establishment!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
62. No idea why Bill first appointed him. But he certainly comes with
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

impeccable RW credentials:

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
59. Truth matters - I read the link, what struck me was that he was appointed by Bill Clinton on
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

June 16th - which happens to be one of my family member's birthday, so I NOTICED- here is the quote:

"On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia."

Dates like birthdays that you have to remember stick out - so I read on - and gee willikers - he was appointed By President Bill Clinton for the next step UP the judicial ladder AFTER Reagan and Bush 1 got the judge on the track.

That's the truth.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
61. Then look at your link again
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
68. Do you have a problem understanding how Federal Judges are appointed?
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

This judge was appointed by Reagan, Bush1, and Clinton....dear God, all Bush 1 and Clinton did AFTER Reagan was keep pushing him UP the Federal bench.

That's the truth.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
77. When poor people break the law they are predators who need punishment.
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

When rich people break the law, the judge are on a political witch hunt.

Justice is crying in her cell.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
79. OMFG. "Justice is crying in her cell."
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

Next time, see if you can work "It was a dark and stormy night" into it somewhere.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
111. There is a prize to Starr that phrase into a short story.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

I'd sure like to read the poster's story. A big plus is that it would be non-fiction. I'm

LiberalArkie

(15,738 posts)
72. Everyone is correct
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

On November 25, 1991, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. While an Associate Judge of that court, and in addition to his full-time case management responsibilities, Judge Sullivan was Chairperson for the Nineteenth Annual Judicial Conference of the District of Columbia, which was held in 1994. The theme for the conference was “Rejuvenating Juvenile Justice - Responses

to the Problems of Juvenile Violence in the District of Columbia.” Judge Sullivan was also appointed by Chief Judge Wagner to chair the “Task Force on Families and Violence for the District of Columbia Courts.”
On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President William J. Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia. Upon his appointment as a United States District Judge, Judge Sullivan became the first person in the District of Columbia to have been appointed by three United States Presidents to three judicial positions.

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
39. Hills hid her Whitewater billing records for two years; lied to grand jury
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

showing her contempt for the rule of law in defying a grand jury subpoena to produce said records. She was advised by 2 former prosecutors/then Senators to just turn the records over and have done with it. But of course she knew better. When the missing records miraculously turned up in the family quarters of the White House, with her fingerprints on them, and no fingerprints of anyone else allowed access to that area of the family quarters, the investigators found nothing to pursue. However her obsession with secrecy and that TWO YEAR delay meant Ken Starr kept the investigation going long enough for star-crossed Monica Lewinsky to enter the picture.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html

Her “grand jury testimony — and her alleged concealment of her role in this fraudulent transaction, including the hiding of her Rose Law Firm billing records concerning her legal work for Madison — reportedly became the subject of an obstruction of justice and perjury investigation,” Judicial Watch says.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/whitewater-scandal-haunts-hillary-all-the-way-to-benghazi/

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
52. OMFG. Whitewater. Benghazi. Rose Law Firm.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Did you forget to mention her killing Vince Foster for the trifecta???

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
65. It's what we trial lawyers call a pattern of behavior.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

You want to accuse the New York Times of libel? Any particular fact you care to dispute?

elljay

(1,178 posts)
81. The scandals may have been imaginary
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

but the part about her hiding the records and their being found in her White House residence happens to be true. Sounds much like the current email issue- probably a fake scandal, but very poor judgment exposed.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
66. She's a peach isn't she? She is, without a doubt, one of the biggest control freaks in government
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

and there is plenty of evidence to back that up.

It is ironic that because she didn't listen to advice from her own attorneys, all the rest of the mess of investigations kept on going.

Her judgment is terribly flawed in so many areas - this is just one example.

This whole server issue boils down to that one thing:her controlling information. Seems she will never learn.

It is a serious flaw and one in which the GOP will beat her like a drum because it involves National Security and at it's core a way to avoid FOIA.

And the thing is:she does this to herself.

No one broke into her home and installed that server without her knowledge.

Vast right wing conspiracy?

No.

Vast effort by HRC herself to never be held accountable for anything while serving as S o State.

Trying to defend her actions is ridiculous.

All government documents belong to us - the American people. They were not her's.

It is that simple - but it gets worse because she mishandled the way a person is suppose to treat classified documents - so the trouble just keeps getting bigger.

It is worse than Watergate - it involves National Security.

creeksneakers2

(7,484 posts)
80. The records were exculpatory
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

She had no reason to hide them. You are accusing her of hiding them with no evidence that she did. They were misplaced. When they were found they were turned over.

Of course her finger prints were on them. They were her billing records.

Ken Starr was going to drag out the investigation forever. Starr and the Republicans investigated everything they could make up. The investigations came up empty but the same lies keep getting repeated forever.

Judicial Watch is not a credible source of information. Hillary disclosed her work for Madison long before the billing records turned up. The billing records confirmed what she told investigators, that she did little work for Madison.



Divernan

(15,480 posts)
99. Miraculously found days after statute to sue HRC expired
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016
Last Sunday the statute of limitations expired for a variety of civil lawsuits that may be brought against professionals who fraudulently advised corrupt savings associations. On the same day, the Resolution Trust Corporation, the agency that had supervised the bailout of the savings and loan industry, closed down.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html

It's an Expiration-of-Statute-of-Limitations-Day MIRACLE!!!

potone

(1,701 posts)
109. This is ridiculous.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

The billing records were in a box and were misplaced. That is why they only had her fingerprints on them. When they were discovered, they corroborated her claim. This is a false scandal. Why would she deliberately hide documents that exonerated her of the charge against her? She isn't stupid, she knows the law, and she certainly had no desire to prolong Ken Starr's investigation. There was an article years ago in the New Yorker about this; I can't remember all the details, but there was no evidence of any wrong-doing.

Judicial Watch was on a witch hunt against the Clintons. None of it came to anything: not Whitewater, not the "alleged concealment of her Rose Law Firm billing records," not anything.

Look, I support Bernie strongly, but let's separate the policy disagreements between him and Hillary from the scurrilous charges from her time as First Lady. Dragging up all these false scandals helps no one.

creeksneakers2

(7,484 posts)
82. Mostly not cronies.
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

They were people who Starr hoped would make up lies about the Clintons to escape prosecution.

WhiteTara

(29,733 posts)
103. The developer got in trouble and went to jail.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

His wife went to jail because she wouldn't say Clinton did something wrong. BTW, she divorced the guy, too.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
18. The judge may be a wing-nut, but he IS a federal judge
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

and they do have the power to order people to come see them and answer questions. If she fights the order, she will just seem all the more guilty.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
6. U.S. District Court Judge does not work for
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

Judicial Watch -- guess that argument won't work forever, but keep trying

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
102. Or move her fundraisers to the DC Circuit courthouse!
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

There is excellent security there!

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit meets at the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse, near Judiciary Square in downtown Washington, D.C.


 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
16. Busted
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

Uh oh... Section b applies here... Emails are records under the law. If she ran the server to evade public records requests then she is ineligible to hold public office...

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, § 552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
17. she seemed to indicate this in an ABC News story
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016


"As much as I’ve been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I —- I don’t even want -— why would I ever want to do e-mail? Can you imagine?" she's seen on video captured at a fundraiser.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
74. Hillary is immune from Section b.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

Section b states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office" Since Hillary is a she Section b clearly does not apply to her.

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
41. Yap...Yap...
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

Yap.

And before her winning the primaries it was "she will drop out of the primaries".

And before that it was "she will never run".

Get your next comment ready: "she will be impeached". And then "she will never run for the second term". And then the cycle repeating itself.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
87. Who the heck has ever said "She will never run"?!
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

To whom have you been listening? Everyone I know has been aware that Hillary Clinton's been lusting after the presidency for the past 15 years.

If she could have seized the crown and placed it on her own head, à la Napoleon, she would've done it years ago.

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
90. Right wingers have been saying it years ago
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016
Through her own choice, failures in Democratic primaries or the verdict of America's general electorate, Hillary Clinton's future White House appearances will be guest-only.

There's an excellent chance Hillary won't run.


http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2014/07/if_she_runs_heres_why_hillary.html

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
91. Huh. You may be right.
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

Googling the subject, I managed to find a few pundits suggesting in 2014 that Hillary wouldn't run. Then again, pundits pretty much argue every side of every issue in order to generate copy. It's what they do. Me? I've never doubted for a minute that Hillary would make another try for the White House.

Back in 2008, the way she was instantly on board with Obama after they had their private meeting was curious. For weeks, she'd been digging in her heels and encouraging the "Party Unity My Ass" movement. After that meeting, Hillary turned on a dime and Obama couldn't say or do anything wrong. When she was awarded the Secretary of State role it all became clear. And then the phrase "It's her turn" started to leak out of the Democratic National Committee.

Anyway, that's a long digression. All I'm saying is, for those paying attention, Clinton's candidacy in 2016 was a given.

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
92. her candidacy was a given to me too. She is just too ambitious to have passed it up, and she
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

invested too much in her ambition in the past to stop pursuing it in the present.

I was just venting over every "she will" prediction which is based on the outrage of the moment.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
93. Well, that's understandable.
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

I'll leave it there because it's nice to see we're in agreement about something. Accord is a lot more pleasant than discord.

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
94. "Accord is a lot more pleasant than discord."
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

And much less common, sadly.

I'll enjoy it while we have it.

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
21. Judicial Watch
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

Repeating judicial watch over and over again isn't gonna put you or Clinton in the right

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
37. Or you
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

Or me for that matter.

This has been going for years. We have yet to see more than "not looking good for Hillary" every time a right winger finds a way to generate a negative headline about her.

I am kind of getting tired of both the right wing and the left wing writing Hillary off at the slightest excuse.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
22. link to more info and the order
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/278702-judge-leaves-open-door-for-clinton-deposition-in-email-probe

Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.

“Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,” Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday. [READ THE ORDER BELOW]

“If plaintiff believes Mrs. Clinton’s testimony is required, it will request permission from the Court at the appropriate time.”

In his order, Sullivan pointed to revelations from the emails appearing to show officials trying to evade demands of FOIA.

In his order on Wednesday, Sullivan denied the organization’s efforts to combine his granting of depositions and a similar decision by another judge in a separate case.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
27. my guess is...
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

my guess is that folks behind the scenes think it would be better to have her get the nomination and THEN have her indicted than to have to do battle in a general election with the un-damaged, truth-telling and crowd-generating Bernie Sanders.

Establishment Democrats are clueless who and what they are up against. This is a system that regularly overthrows governments in other countries, they have long tentacles and know exactly where to place them to pull the levers they need to pull.


elleng

(131,372 posts)
33. Could be, tomm,
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

but I somehow doubt we'll see her appear (for this legal matter) within 8 weeks. MAYBE some of the others.

Right, this system regularly overthrows governments, and she (and hers) are a major part of 'this system.'

beastie boy

(9,570 posts)
45. That was the right wingers' hope, so they could damage the undamaged Bernie
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

much more than they were ever able to damage Hillary. And they have plenty of material for that.

But, mercifully for Bernie, this ain't happening.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
32. remember --------- this is not any part of the FBI investigation.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

This is a civil law suit brought by Judicial Watch.

The FBI criminal investigation is something totally separate and it is broader and deeper.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
35. "There have been at least three dozen civil lawsuits filed, including one by The Associated Press"
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

From the article, and I think it suggests that the AP at least is giving this sober attention. The process will play out, imo.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
36. Why delete any of the emails ?
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

Why ? Influence peddling is a common practice give in DC. Hell it's how all the government's of the world do business. Tit for tat. Before Emil and social media, it was all done with a wink and a handshake. Written records , Nixon tapes , etc will get you in trouble. Hillary , not a very savvy pol. made the mistake of using electronic email to sell influence. She was on a tear raking in millions making promises and taking huge checks. Lack of good judgement along with basic dishonesty, she has created the very tool they will use to destroy ber.,once and for all. Good riddance.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
56. With such an authoritarian pronouncement I imagine you
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

have lots of proof to back up these up to now unsupported allegations about "raking in millions making promises and taking huge checks"???

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
38. A sworn deposition is just a signed piece of carefully legalistically crafted paper. Correct me if
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

I'm wrong.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
58. You're wrong. A sworn deposition is the transcribed record of one party's attorneys
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

questioning the other party (or its representative(s) pursuant to a lawsuit. It is transcribed by a Court Reporter, sworn to by parties to the deposition and can be presented as evidence in a later trial.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
50. Then they scramble and scour everything imaginable
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

To prove perjury. Not a lot different than what they did with Bill.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
75. Interesting precedent to set that a group other than Congress
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

can watch dog top secret agencies with the power of the subpoena. She has testified at great length on this subject already, and in public.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
95. You are confusing two issues.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

This issue is about abuse of the FOIA. Any Federal court has jurisdiction in that case.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
96. I got that. If a FOIA plaintiff can question a cabinet secretary about
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

supposedly top secret emails, we may be able to get the Bush gang for war crimes by FOIA requests.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
97. Again you miss the point. They aren't going after top secret emails.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

They don't have a right to them under the law. The claim is that Hillary violated the FOIA by withholding all her emails, not those protected under the national security regulations.

The added claim is that the private server was used for that very reason--to allow her to evade the FOIA. The evidence more than suggests this is in fact the case according to the judge.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
100. No, I got that too. This opens up every department of the government where
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

national security and non-national security are mixed. It's very interesting. A member of the public now potentially has standing to examine any government official under oath about FIOA matters. Anything is potentially fair game if it comes under FIOA. And the fireworks are bumping up against national security. This line of reasoning has the potential to untangle decades of Supreme Court precedent on standing, ripeness, mootness and political questions if it is used correctly. What Colin Powell knew about what he later described to Wilkerson as "bullshit" about the start of the Iraq war no longer has to wait for Congress of the DOJ, any sufficiently rich person who wants to FOIA and bump up against the security concerns can unravel it. And when there is no national security or legal privilege, BOOM! This will be a field day for environmental groups.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
76. “Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,”
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016
The Hill: Federal judge opens the door to Clinton deposition in email case, May 4, 2016


A federal judge on Wednesday opened the door to interviewing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton as part of a review into her use of a private email server while secretary of State.

Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.

.....

“Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,” Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday.

.....

Any deposition would surely roil the presidential race and force her campaign to confront the issue, which has dogged her for a year.

“Her legal team is really going to fight that really hard,” predicted Matthew Whitaker, a former U.S. attorney who has raised questions about Clinton’s email setup.

“You have to take her deposition in this case to fully understand how it was designed and the whys and the what-fors.”

While leaving the door open to Clinton’s eventual deposition, Sullivan on Wednesday ordered at least six current and former State Department employees to answer questions from Judicial Watch, which has filed multiple lawsuits over the Clinton email case.

That list includes longtime Clinton aide Huma Abedin, former chief of staff Cheryl Mills, under secretary for management Patrick Kennedy, former executive secretary Stephen Mull and Bryan Pagliano, the IT official believed to be responsible for setting up and maintaining the server.

The judge also ordered the State Department to prepare a formal answer about Clinton’s emails. Donald Reid, a senior security official, may also be asked to answer questions, if Judicial Watch so decides.

That process is scheduled to be wrapped up within eight weeks, putting the deadline in the final week of June.

.....



The final week of June is going to be an interesting one.

Added to this mix is the US release of the documentary film Clinton Cash, on July 24 in Philadelphia, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention. This film examines the intersection of her tenure as Secretary of State with the massive accumulation of private funds taken in by the Clinton Foundation, much of it from foreign sources, as she allegedly directed favors toward those entities. This separate track of investigation of Secretary Clinton's activities while at State is now ongoing by the FBI, in addition to the homebrew server under current scrutiny.

And today, more indication of how much trouble with independent support she has. What is her plan to surmount this?

Independents Are Souring on Hillary Clinton, May 4, 2016

.....

An April Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that Mrs. Clinton’s favorability rating among independents had dropped 15 percentage points in the previous four months. That poll found that 20% of independents viewed Mrs. Clinton positively, compared with 62% who viewed her negatively. In January, that same poll found her with a positive rating of 35% and a negative rating of 54%.
In January 2015, four months before she launched her presidential campaign, that gap stood at just 4 percentage points—35% positive to 39% negative.

The poll also suggested the heated Democratic primary race took a toll on her standing among Democrats. Her positive rating among Democrats dropped to 63% last month from 71% in January, while her negative rating rose six points to 20%. Last April, when she first announced she was running for president, 76% of Democrats viewed her positively while just 8% viewed her negatively.

While declining favorability ratings are common for presidential candidates as voters learn more about them, the striking decline in independents’ view of Mrs. Clinton is indicative of the popularity of Mr. Sanders, who served in the Senate as an independent before running for president as a Democrat.

The Vermont senator is far more popular among independents and has ramped up his criticism of Mrs. Clinton in recent months, even as his path to winning the nomination looks increasingly narrow.

.....


From this graph, it is painfully obvious why she much prefers "closed" primaries that shut out Independents from voting. The problem lies in the "wins" she boasts among such a tiny slice of the general electorate, 30% who call themselves Democrats. How will the other 70% vote in November? She is locked in this box of her own making, and will never make it through November, not when the majority of the electorate is rebelling against Establishment candidates.





And, today, John Kasich is out of the presidential race, leaving Donald Trump plenty of time and opportunity now to go after Clinton's weaknesses. From what we've seen, he will have no obstacle.

For Hillary Clinton, the next few months are going to be brutal.


It must be getting acutely uncomfortable for the superdelegates right now, many of whom "declared loyalty" to Clinton even prior to Bernie Sanders entering the race.

These are devastating reasons for a candidate to try to whitewash as the public looks on in horror.


It is time for her to curb her singular ambition and to step aside for a popular and authentic candidate to take the helm against Donald Trump. Fifty-seven percent of Democrats are now saying it is important that Bernie Sanders stays in the race all the way to the convention.

It is the one thing from her that we as a country will be grateful.




left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
85. And Trump may have to testify in the Trump University lawsuit
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

The 2016 Presidential campaign could be dueling court cases.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
101. This is going to get REALLY Messy
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

Both of them will attempt to plead the 5th.

GOP will order hearings, (televised of course)

Look for this to peak with Clinton's forced testimony right about Oct 1st

maxrandb

(15,392 posts)
107. It's only going to get "messy"
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:53 AM
May 2016

if "liberals, progressives, Democrats and folks on DU" parrot these bullshit Clinton investigations, or buy into the narrative.

In fact, I think the only "messiness" should be the messiness that is caused when WE FIGHT BACK HARD AGAINST THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT

The Wingnuts have used the power of the state and authoritarian tactics to try to take out every fucking Democrat you can name

Clinton
Obama
Kerry
Siegleman
Holder
etc., etc., etc., - Yul Brenner

The least we could do is to stop enabling them.

Hey, Ben Carson just said that Cruz would be a great AG or Supreme Court Justice, or maybe both...he could be AG and prosecute Hillary Clinton and then be nominated to the SC.

Of course, no fucking mention of what he would prosecute Clinton for...I guess simply for just being her.

Why don't we post that shit too? It carries as much weight, or at least it should, as anything that Judicial Watch is involved in.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
108. FUCK the Purity Testing
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

Lets suspend freedom of speech until after the election OK

Would that satisfy the Hilbots

Hillary is a candidate with a TON of Baggage - get used to it - its called reality

Progressive dog

(6,931 posts)
113. Judicial Watch
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

says it all. Larry Klayman, founder.
From the SPLC

Larry Klayman is a pathologically litigious attorney and professional gadfly notorious for suing everyone from Iran’s Supreme Leader to his own mother. A former U.S. prosecutor who made a name for himself in the 1990s by suing the Clinton administration no less than 18 times, Klayman seems to have been driven over the edge by the 2008 election of Barack Obama.

Why a Democrat would think scum like Klayman and his ilk should be quoted is beyond me.
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