US Judge: Clinton may be ordered to testify in records case
Source: AP
WASHINGTON (AP) A federal judge said Wednesday he may order Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton to testify under oath about whether she used a private email server as secretary of state to evade public records disclosures.
U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan signed an order granting a request from the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch to question six current and former State Department staffers about the creation and purpose of the private email system. Those on the list were some of Clinton's closest aides during her tenure as the nation's top diplomat, including former chief of staff Cheryl D. Mills, deputy chief of staff Huma Abedin and undersecretary Patrick F. Kennedy.
Also set to testify is Bryan Pagliano, the agency employee who was tasked with setting up the clintonemail.com server located in the basement of the New York home Clinton shares with her husband, former President Bill Clinton. Pagliano has previously refused to testify before Congress, citing his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Based on what might be gleaned in those interviews, which are to be conducted over the next eight weeks, Sullivan says in his order a sworn deposition from Hillary Clinton "may be necessary."
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6b4baccc94e647b1b63cfd8e931f8099/us-judge-clinton-may-be-ordered-testify-records-case
Paper Roses
(7,475 posts)niyad
(113,921 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)But you have to get a few points, I guess, for an earnestly attempted pun, even that one...
Well, maybe a point.
OK, half a point, for sure.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)beastie boy
(9,570 posts)In reference to Hillary, that is.
If, however, you were posting about Queen Elizabeth, never mind...
maxrandb
(15,392 posts)Weren't they the ones that were supposed to break President Obama's Kenyan Socialist birth "wide-open"
I won't contact the Admins, but really?? A wing-nut Judge may grant a Wing-nut Organization a chance to question Hillary Clinton?
Not really Breaking News, but I do hope that we can get the 11 hour testimony live on TV so we can watch her wipe the floor with yet another gang of spittle-mouthed old white guys.
alp227
(32,075 posts)Served since 1994 in an otherwise conservative DC circuit court.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)RW to the core.
Ford_Prefect
(7,927 posts)On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_G._Sullivan
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Stop the presses! We have the Faux headline, at least of the hour.
alp227
(32,075 posts)atreides1
(16,110 posts)But he was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
The path to his current position was opened by two Republican presidents!
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Can't you read what they post?
elleng
(131,372 posts)to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia.'
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
Actor
(626 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)DU or if I opened Free Republic by mistake.
LiberalArkie
(15,738 posts)On November 25, 1991, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. While an Associate Judge of that court, and in addition to his full-time case management responsibilities, Judge Sullivan was Chairperson for the Nineteenth Annual Judicial Conference of the District of Columbia, which was held in 1994. The theme for the conference was Rejuvenating Juvenile Justice - Responses
to the Problems of Juvenile Violence in the District of Columbia. Judge Sullivan was also appointed by Chief Judge Wagner to chair the Task Force on Families and Violence for the District of Columbia Courts.
On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President William J. Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia. Upon his appointment as a United States District Judge, Judge Sullivan became the first person in the District of Columbia to have been appointed by three United States Presidents to three judicial positions.
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..BUT, and this is the IMPORTANT "BUT" that makes ALL you posts spurious,
BUT, his latest appointment to his current position was made by Democratic President Bill Clinton.
THAT is what is important in this matter.
...or do you also believe that Hillary's work for Goldwater and her leadership of the "Goldwater Girls" at Wellesley College should be a primary concern too?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)If they told the truth they would hang by their own petard.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)by Poppy Bush. Klayman is a certified nut case, as is his suit. Lies? No, I don't think so.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Unless you're willing to acknowledge that Clinton appointed conservative judges. I'm sure his wife will do the same.
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)corporate conservative who will swear an oath to uphold Wall Street and the Establishment!
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)impeccable RW credentials:
Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
merbex
(3,123 posts)June 16th - which happens to be one of my family member's birthday, so I NOTICED- here is the quote:
"On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia."
Dates like birthdays that you have to remember stick out - so I read on - and gee willikers - he was appointed By President Bill Clinton for the next step UP the judicial ladder AFTER Reagan and Bush 1 got the judge on the track.
That's the truth.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
merbex
(3,123 posts)This judge was appointed by Reagan, Bush1, and Clinton....dear God, all Bush 1 and Clinton did AFTER Reagan was keep pushing him UP the Federal bench.
That's the truth.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Jemmons
(711 posts)When rich people break the law, the judge are on a political witch hunt.
Justice is crying in her cell.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Next time, see if you can work "It was a dark and stormy night" into it somewhere.
Jemmons
(711 posts)More substance and less whining please.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)I'd sure like to read the poster's story. A big plus is that it would be non-fiction. I'm
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I mean... Um, well...
I wish I had a cell to cry in now...
LiberalArkie
(15,738 posts)On November 25, 1991, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. While an Associate Judge of that court, and in addition to his full-time case management responsibilities, Judge Sullivan was Chairperson for the Nineteenth Annual Judicial Conference of the District of Columbia, which was held in 1994. The theme for the conference was Rejuvenating Juvenile Justice - Responses
to the Problems of Juvenile Violence in the District of Columbia. Judge Sullivan was also appointed by Chief Judge Wagner to chair the Task Force on Families and Violence for the District of Columbia Courts.
On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President William J. Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia. Upon his appointment as a United States District Judge, Judge Sullivan became the first person in the District of Columbia to have been appointed by three United States Presidents to three judicial positions.
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan
WhiteTara
(29,733 posts)and that came to nothing also.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)showing her contempt for the rule of law in defying a grand jury subpoena to produce said records. She was advised by 2 former prosecutors/then Senators to just turn the records over and have done with it. But of course she knew better. When the missing records miraculously turned up in the family quarters of the White House, with her fingerprints on them, and no fingerprints of anyone else allowed access to that area of the family quarters, the investigators found nothing to pursue. However her obsession with secrecy and that TWO YEAR delay meant Ken Starr kept the investigation going long enough for star-crossed Monica Lewinsky to enter the picture.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html
Her grand jury testimony and her alleged concealment of her role in this fraudulent transaction, including the hiding of her Rose Law Firm billing records concerning her legal work for Madison reportedly became the subject of an obstruction of justice and perjury investigation, Judicial Watch says.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/whitewater-scandal-haunts-hillary-all-the-way-to-benghazi/
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Did you forget to mention her killing Vince Foster for the trifecta???
Divernan
(15,480 posts)You want to accuse the New York Times of libel? Any particular fact you care to dispute?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)care to argue to a Court.
elljay
(1,178 posts)but the part about her hiding the records and their being found in her White House residence happens to be true. Sounds much like the current email issue- probably a fake scandal, but very poor judgment exposed.
merbex
(3,123 posts)and there is plenty of evidence to back that up.
It is ironic that because she didn't listen to advice from her own attorneys, all the rest of the mess of investigations kept on going.
Her judgment is terribly flawed in so many areas - this is just one example.
This whole server issue boils down to that one thing:her controlling information. Seems she will never learn.
It is a serious flaw and one in which the GOP will beat her like a drum because it involves National Security and at it's core a way to avoid FOIA.
And the thing is:she does this to herself.
No one broke into her home and installed that server without her knowledge.
Vast right wing conspiracy?
No.
Vast effort by HRC herself to never be held accountable for anything while serving as S o State.
Trying to defend her actions is ridiculous.
All government documents belong to us - the American people. They were not her's.
It is that simple - but it gets worse because she mishandled the way a person is suppose to treat classified documents - so the trouble just keeps getting bigger.
It is worse than Watergate - it involves National Security.
creeksneakers2
(7,484 posts)She had no reason to hide them. You are accusing her of hiding them with no evidence that she did. They were misplaced. When they were found they were turned over.
Of course her finger prints were on them. They were her billing records.
Ken Starr was going to drag out the investigation forever. Starr and the Republicans investigated everything they could make up. The investigations came up empty but the same lies keep getting repeated forever.
Judicial Watch is not a credible source of information. Hillary disclosed her work for Madison long before the billing records turned up. The billing records confirmed what she told investigators, that she did little work for Madison.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.htmlLast Sunday the statute of limitations expired for a variety of civil lawsuits that may be brought against professionals who fraudulently advised corrupt savings associations. On the same day, the Resolution Trust Corporation, the agency that had supervised the bailout of the savings and loan industry, closed down.
It's an Expiration-of-Statute-of-Limitations-Day MIRACLE!!!
potone
(1,701 posts)The billing records were in a box and were misplaced. That is why they only had her fingerprints on them. When they were discovered, they corroborated her claim. This is a false scandal. Why would she deliberately hide documents that exonerated her of the charge against her? She isn't stupid, she knows the law, and she certainly had no desire to prolong Ken Starr's investigation. There was an article years ago in the New Yorker about this; I can't remember all the details, but there was no evidence of any wrong-doing.
Judicial Watch was on a witch hunt against the Clintons. None of it came to anything: not Whitewater, not the "alleged concealment of her Rose Law Firm billing records," not anything.
Look, I support Bernie strongly, but let's separate the policy disagreements between him and Hillary from the scurrilous charges from her time as First Lady. Dragging up all these false scandals helps no one.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,484 posts)They were people who Starr hoped would make up lies about the Clintons to escape prosecution.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)WhiteTara
(29,733 posts)His wife went to jail because she wouldn't say Clinton did something wrong. BTW, she divorced the guy, too.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and they do have the power to order people to come see them and answer questions. If she fights the order, she will just seem all the more guilty.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Judicial Watch -- guess that argument won't work forever, but keep trying
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)or the FBI? or the Obama Justice Department?
which
frylock
(34,825 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)show in his decisions. Ever.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)bwahahahahahah
Divernan
(15,480 posts)There is excellent security there!
The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit meets at the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse, near Judiciary Square in downtown Washington, D.C.
SusanLarson
(284 posts)Uh oh... Section b applies here... Emails are records under the law. If she ran the server to evade public records requests then she is ineligible to hold public office...
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term office does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101510, div. A, title V, § 552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)"As much as Ive been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I - I dont even want - why would I ever want to do e-mail? Can you imagine?" she's seen on video captured at a fundraiser.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)Section b states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office" Since Hillary is a she Section b clearly does not apply to her.
Laser102
(816 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Drip.
She will lose in a General Election.
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)Yap.
And before her winning the primaries it was "she will drop out of the primaries".
And before that it was "she will never run".
Get your next comment ready: "she will be impeached". And then "she will never run for the second term". And then the cycle repeating itself.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)To whom have you been listening? Everyone I know has been aware that Hillary Clinton's been lusting after the presidency for the past 15 years.
If she could have seized the crown and placed it on her own head, à la Napoleon, she would've done it years ago.
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)There's an excellent chance Hillary won't run.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2014/07/if_she_runs_heres_why_hillary.html
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Googling the subject, I managed to find a few pundits suggesting in 2014 that Hillary wouldn't run. Then again, pundits pretty much argue every side of every issue in order to generate copy. It's what they do. Me? I've never doubted for a minute that Hillary would make another try for the White House.
Back in 2008, the way she was instantly on board with Obama after they had their private meeting was curious. For weeks, she'd been digging in her heels and encouraging the "Party Unity My Ass" movement. After that meeting, Hillary turned on a dime and Obama couldn't say or do anything wrong. When she was awarded the Secretary of State role it all became clear. And then the phrase "It's her turn" started to leak out of the Democratic National Committee.
Anyway, that's a long digression. All I'm saying is, for those paying attention, Clinton's candidacy in 2016 was a given.
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)invested too much in her ambition in the past to stop pursuing it in the present.
I was just venting over every "she will" prediction which is based on the outrage of the moment.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I'll leave it there because it's nice to see we're in agreement about something. Accord is a lot more pleasant than discord.
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)And much less common, sadly.
I'll enjoy it while we have it.
SusanLarson
(284 posts)Repeating judicial watch over and over again isn't gonna put you or Clinton in the right
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)Or me for that matter.
This has been going for years. We have yet to see more than "not looking good for Hillary" every time a right winger finds a way to generate a negative headline about her.
I am kind of getting tired of both the right wing and the left wing writing Hillary off at the slightest excuse.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.
Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary, Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday. [READ THE ORDER BELOW]
If plaintiff believes Mrs. Clintons testimony is required, it will request permission from the Court at the appropriate time.
In his order, Sullivan pointed to revelations from the emails appearing to show officials trying to evade demands of FOIA.
In his order on Wednesday, Sullivan denied the organizations efforts to combine his granting of depositions and a similar decision by another judge in a separate case.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)She'll tell them what they need to hear.
elleng
(131,372 posts)NOT holding my breath.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)my guess is that folks behind the scenes think it would be better to have her get the nomination and THEN have her indicted than to have to do battle in a general election with the un-damaged, truth-telling and crowd-generating Bernie Sanders.
Establishment Democrats are clueless who and what they are up against. This is a system that regularly overthrows governments in other countries, they have long tentacles and know exactly where to place them to pull the levers they need to pull.
elleng
(131,372 posts)but I somehow doubt we'll see her appear (for this legal matter) within 8 weeks. MAYBE some of the others.
Right, this system regularly overthrows governments, and she (and hers) are a major part of 'this system.'
beastie boy
(9,570 posts)much more than they were ever able to damage Hillary. And they have plenty of material for that.
But, mercifully for Bernie, this ain't happening.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Vast right-wing conspiracy wargle bargle!!!1!2
desmiller
(747 posts)fred v
(271 posts)Starts at 0:35 mark
grasswire
(50,130 posts)This is a civil law suit brought by Judicial Watch.
The FBI criminal investigation is something totally separate and it is broader and deeper.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)From the article, and I think it suggests that the AP at least is giving this sober attention. The process will play out, imo.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Why ? Influence peddling is a common practice give in DC. Hell it's how all the government's of the world do business. Tit for tat. Before Emil and social media, it was all done with a wink and a handshake. Written records , Nixon tapes , etc will get you in trouble. Hillary , not a very savvy pol. made the mistake of using electronic email to sell influence. She was on a tear raking in millions making promises and taking huge checks. Lack of good judgement along with basic dishonesty, she has created the very tool they will use to destroy ber.,once and for all. Good riddance.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)have lots of proof to back up these up to now unsupported allegations about "raking in millions making promises and taking huge checks"???
thereismore
(13,326 posts)I'm wrong.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)questioning the other party (or its representative(s) pursuant to a lawsuit. It is transcribed by a Court Reporter, sworn to by parties to the deposition and can be presented as evidence in a later trial.
Gman
(24,780 posts)To prove perjury. Not a lot different than what they did with Bill.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)can watch dog top secret agencies with the power of the subpoena. She has testified at great length on this subject already, and in public.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)This issue is about abuse of the FOIA. Any Federal court has jurisdiction in that case.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)supposedly top secret emails, we may be able to get the Bush gang for war crimes by FOIA requests.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They don't have a right to them under the law. The claim is that Hillary violated the FOIA by withholding all her emails, not those protected under the national security regulations.
The added claim is that the private server was used for that very reason--to allow her to evade the FOIA. The evidence more than suggests this is in fact the case according to the judge.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)national security and non-national security are mixed. It's very interesting. A member of the public now potentially has standing to examine any government official under oath about FIOA matters. Anything is potentially fair game if it comes under FIOA. And the fireworks are bumping up against national security. This line of reasoning has the potential to untangle decades of Supreme Court precedent on standing, ripeness, mootness and political questions if it is used correctly. What Colin Powell knew about what he later described to Wilkerson as "bullshit" about the start of the Iraq war no longer has to wait for Congress of the DOJ, any sufficiently rich person who wants to FOIA and bump up against the security concerns can unravel it. And when there is no national security or legal privilege, BOOM! This will be a field day for environmental groups.
seafan
(9,387 posts)Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.
.....
Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary, Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday.
.....
Any deposition would surely roil the presidential race and force her campaign to confront the issue, which has dogged her for a year.
Her legal team is really going to fight that really hard, predicted Matthew Whitaker, a former U.S. attorney who has raised questions about Clintons email setup.
You have to take her deposition in this case to fully understand how it was designed and the whys and the what-fors.
While leaving the door open to Clintons eventual deposition, Sullivan on Wednesday ordered at least six current and former State Department employees to answer questions from Judicial Watch, which has filed multiple lawsuits over the Clinton email case.
That list includes longtime Clinton aide Huma Abedin, former chief of staff Cheryl Mills, under secretary for management Patrick Kennedy, former executive secretary Stephen Mull and Bryan Pagliano, the IT official believed to be responsible for setting up and maintaining the server.
The judge also ordered the State Department to prepare a formal answer about Clintons emails. Donald Reid, a senior security official, may also be asked to answer questions, if Judicial Watch so decides.
That process is scheduled to be wrapped up within eight weeks, putting the deadline in the final week of June.
.....
The final week of June is going to be an interesting one.
Added to this mix is the US release of the documentary film Clinton Cash, on July 24 in Philadelphia, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention. This film examines the intersection of her tenure as Secretary of State with the massive accumulation of private funds taken in by the Clinton Foundation, much of it from foreign sources, as she allegedly directed favors toward those entities. This separate track of investigation of Secretary Clinton's activities while at State is now ongoing by the FBI, in addition to the homebrew server under current scrutiny.
And today, more indication of how much trouble with independent support she has. What is her plan to surmount this?
Independents Are Souring on Hillary Clinton, May 4, 2016
An April Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that Mrs. Clintons favorability rating among independents had dropped 15 percentage points in the previous four months. That poll found that 20% of independents viewed Mrs. Clinton positively, compared with 62% who viewed her negatively. In January, that same poll found her with a positive rating of 35% and a negative rating of 54%.
In January 2015, four months before she launched her presidential campaign, that gap stood at just 4 percentage points35% positive to 39% negative.
The poll also suggested the heated Democratic primary race took a toll on her standing among Democrats. Her positive rating among Democrats dropped to 63% last month from 71% in January, while her negative rating rose six points to 20%. Last April, when she first announced she was running for president, 76% of Democrats viewed her positively while just 8% viewed her negatively.
While declining favorability ratings are common for presidential candidates as voters learn more about them, the striking decline in independents view of Mrs. Clinton is indicative of the popularity of Mr. Sanders, who served in the Senate as an independent before running for president as a Democrat.
The Vermont senator is far more popular among independents and has ramped up his criticism of Mrs. Clinton in recent months, even as his path to winning the nomination looks increasingly narrow.
.....
From this graph, it is painfully obvious why she much prefers "closed" primaries that shut out Independents from voting. The problem lies in the "wins" she boasts among such a tiny slice of the general electorate, 30% who call themselves Democrats. How will the other 70% vote in November? She is locked in this box of her own making, and will never make it through November, not when the majority of the electorate is rebelling against Establishment candidates.
And, today, John Kasich is out of the presidential race, leaving Donald Trump plenty of time and opportunity now to go after Clinton's weaknesses. From what we've seen, he will have no obstacle.
For Hillary Clinton, the next few months are going to be brutal.
It must be getting acutely uncomfortable for the superdelegates right now, many of whom "declared loyalty" to Clinton even prior to Bernie Sanders entering the race.
These are devastating reasons for a candidate to try to whitewash as the public looks on in horror.
It is time for her to curb her singular ambition and to step aside for a popular and authentic candidate to take the helm against Donald Trump. Fifty-seven percent of Democrats are now saying it is important that Bernie Sanders stays in the race all the way to the convention.
It is the one thing from her that we as a country will be grateful.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The 2016 Presidential campaign could be dueling court cases.
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Not a winning strategy.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Both of them will attempt to plead the 5th.
GOP will order hearings, (televised of course)
Look for this to peak with Clinton's forced testimony right about Oct 1st
maxrandb
(15,392 posts)if "liberals, progressives, Democrats and folks on DU" parrot these bullshit Clinton investigations, or buy into the narrative.
In fact, I think the only "messiness" should be the messiness that is caused when WE FIGHT BACK HARD AGAINST THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT
The Wingnuts have used the power of the state and authoritarian tactics to try to take out every fucking Democrat you can name
Clinton
Obama
Kerry
Siegleman
Holder
etc., etc., etc., - Yul Brenner
The least we could do is to stop enabling them.
Hey, Ben Carson just said that Cruz would be a great AG or Supreme Court Justice, or maybe both...he could be AG and prosecute Hillary Clinton and then be nominated to the SC.
Of course, no fucking mention of what he would prosecute Clinton for...I guess simply for just being her.
Why don't we post that shit too? It carries as much weight, or at least it should, as anything that Judicial Watch is involved in.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Lets suspend freedom of speech until after the election OK
Would that satisfy the Hilbots
Hillary is a candidate with a TON of Baggage - get used to it - its called reality
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)and rec
Progressive dog
(6,931 posts)says it all. Larry Klayman, founder.
From the SPLC
Why a Democrat would think scum like Klayman and his ilk should be quoted is beyond me.