Trump Supporters Paint Over Memorial Dedicated To 22yo Omega Psi Phi Law Student Who Lost His Life
Source: WatchTheYard
Members of Black greekdom have taken to the internet in outrage after a memorial dedicated to, Jeffrey Allan Matthews, a deceased member of Omega Psi Phi at James Madison University in Virginia was painted over with the words TRUMP 2016.
According to social media posts about the incident, a 22-year-old member of the black fraternity had lost his life earlier this week and friends had spent four hours on Friday creating the memorial on a rock for a candlelight vigil that they are holding tonight at 8pm.
Students woke up to the memorial early this morning covered with the #TRUMPTRAIN and TRUMP 2016. According to a source who reached out to WatchTheYard.com, the Omega vigil was last seen at 2am and the Trump one was seen at 7am, meaning that the vigil was only up for a total of 5 hours and someone decided to paint over it between the hours of 2 and 7am on a Saturday morning.
Read more: http://www.watchtheyard.com/colleges/trump-omega-psi-phi-rock/
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Most people who are racist don't realize it.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)And sickeningly enough, are proud of it.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But there is also a portion that fail to realize that they have racial issues themselves.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But not surprising.
NBachers
(17,142 posts)Never
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(14,691 posts)Response to NWCorona (Reply #6)
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Contrary1
(12,629 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)petronius
(26,603 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)This wasn't a memorial that had stood for years and years.
It looks like a rock that gets painted over and over depending on what is going on.
Warpy
(111,352 posts)The hurt is still raw. This isn't just tacky, it's hateful.
Surprised anyone is missing that.
I'm hoping this poster just missed that bit of info
Warpy
(111,352 posts)Goalposts were moved.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... But didn't see where the rock was the property of the fraternity.
I may have missed it.
If not, one group's claim is just as valid as another unless there is a formal process to request rock advertising time.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's an issue of class and respect.
I guess some people think otherwise.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Explaining that there are no rules or ownership of the rock...
At what point does the message go from obvious racism to just being the next guy in line?
One day? Three? A month?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And it's not looking good for the trump painters. But definitely at least let the paint dry out so how about 24 hrs
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)Which part was unclear?
The bit about the rock being open to anyone who wants to paint on it?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Also, don't threaten me with a good time.
Go nuts...
HOPNOSH
(37 posts)Go nuts with your mean self.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What assholes!
xocet
(3,873 posts)By Nikki Parrotte ('11), JMU Public Affairs
The Madison Society revealed its true identity and purpose on Tuesday, March 15, by unveiling a "spirit rock" on the east campus meadow adjacent to the construction site of the new biosciences building. The newly formed Madison Society hopes the rock sparks a new JMU traditionJMU community members showing their JMU spirit by painting the rock.
Rumors swirling around the unexpected placement of a sizable box and mysterious markings around campus were finally put to rest at the afternoon event. "The Madison Society is a group that wants to work toward both initiating, and more importantly, supporting positive traditions through the culture of the JMU community," said Dave Barnes, director of university unions and founder of The Madison Society.
At the event, students, faculty and staff participated in the first ever painting of the rock. Barnes hopes it catches on.
"It was a lot of fun and hopefully in a week people will paint it again," he said. "I want to make sure people know this is not a one-time thing. The whole idea is we want it to be touched as often as people feel inspired and want to do so. . . . People feel so strongly about JMU. Theres got to be some way to share that and to manifest that.
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http://www.jmu.edu/news/2011MadisonSociety2.shtml
Aaron Koepper | Mar 17, 2011
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The Madison Society, a new organization of JMU faculty and administrators, unveiled the rock in the rain at 4 p.m. on Tuesday as part of the organization's goal of maintaining and creating traditions at JMU.
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"It's our hope that student groups will paint the rock in whatever spirit they feel," said Dave Barnes, the director of University Unions and part of the Madison Society's membership committee.
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Barnes said he hoped there would be no vandalism of the rock, citing one central rule.
"We only ask that the community, Respect the rock,' and what it stands for," Barnes said. "We want all to think of it as a positive symbol of the JMU community."
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http://www.breezejmu.org/news/respect-the-rock-new-organization-places-large-rock-on-festival/article_b933399a-502b-11e0-a4d1-0017a4a78c22.html
By Janson Silvers | Posted: Sat 5:32 PM, Apr 02, 2016 | Updated: Sat 5:34 PM, Apr 02, 2016
HARRISONBURG, Va. (WHSV) -- The Spirit Rock at James Madison University was painted Friday night to honor a dead fraternity alumnus, but Saturday morning it was painted-over with "Trump 2016." That's causing an uproar that's trending right now on social media.
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JMU's chapter of the Omega Psi Phi - ??? - fraternity said they painted a memorial on the Spirit Rock in honor of one of their brothers --Jeffery Matthews, Jr.-- who died on Tuesday. After hours of painting on Friday night they finished it in time for the vigil on Saturday. They woke up Saturday morning to the rock repainted with support of Donald Trump, and their memorial was gone.
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Bill Wyatt with JMU said, "There are no regulations that govern who paints it and when or for how long the painting lasts."
That vigil for Jeffrey Matthews, Jr., will be held at the Spirit Rock, at 8:00 p.m. Saturday, April 2. Vigil organizers want everyone to know this is all about celebrating his life and who he was as a person.
http://www.whsv.com/content/news/JMU-Spirit-Rock-repainting-lights-up-social-media-374379731.html
From what was in the article and from what was available online regarding the use of the rock it seems fairly clear that painting the rock over with #TrumpTrain and Trump 2016 is a passive-aggressive way to destroy someone else's work - work that had yet to see the light of day. Why else do this in the dark of the night before the other message had even be able to be observed by anyone other than those who had completed the work?
Of course, the most likely answer is that the people who are doing the painting don't want to be exposed as the kind of individuals that they are. It is not like they were alerting the campus to an upcoming Trump event as Trump is campaigning in WI - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Buy some fucking common sense and decency, if you're able.
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Attempting to describe "rock advertising time" to everyone is clearly clumsy, and odd.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)there is no action too extreme or right-wing for them to defend.
brush
(53,871 posts)Sure you're on the right site?
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)died very young and very recently.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)12 hours? One day? Three?
No one can use it again?
tavernier
(12,406 posts)because the dead guy won't enjoy them anyway?
When common sense and decency is no longer practiced in a society, soon the decay takes over. Many civilizations have ended this way.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)There was a guy who died in the street and some folks put up a memorial in the middle of the road and proceeded to be shocked and offended when it was run over.
I think they may have claimed racism as well. Can't remember the specifics.
If you want a lasting memorial, don't put it in a place where it is near certain it will get removed or destroyed.
Kingofalldems
(38,485 posts)It took the frat 7-8 hours to paint with them finishing at 10pm. It's painted over by morning and they are "projecting "?
Ok
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I'm simply saying that I suspect that the rock changes colors and messages frequently and it is a leap to assume the it must be racism.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)Maybe some time outside in the fresh air would do you good.
panader0
(25,816 posts)It doesn't matter if the rock was frequently painted over. The memorial was to be tonight.
What the tRump people did was despicable, and you are in denial. And maybe more.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Most people see and take note of the difference and would leave it untouched for a long time.
When we also account for the fact that it was not simply painted over, but painted over with political advertising for a racist fascist misogynist, then your remarks are very inexplicable and are more reminiscent of the aforementioned site than this one.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Hope your time here is brief.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Maybe you should go outside with the other guy for some fresh air.
If the mere suggestion that something might not be racism infuriates you so... Along with several logical reason... It might be time for a break and some perspective.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)To think that it infuriates me? No, I just think you're working some low level trolling that's not particularly well done. It's more comical than anything else. I'm not infuriated by you. I'm laughing at you. Because that's all that the trolling you're performing is worth.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Maybe while you are out getting some vitamin D, you can self reflect on why you think someone is 'trolling' if they don't immediately hop on the racism bandwagon.
I would humbly suggest that it says more about you than it does me.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Your pathetic defense of racism has been noted.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)It says more about the folks who automatically leap to that conclusion and can't conceive any other motivation than racism than it does about the second rock painters.
Maybe it was racism or maybe it wasn't but it seems closed minded to not even discuss the alternatives and to shout down anyone who does.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That some people can see actions for what they are, a deliberate attempt to provoke racial tensions in the name of a racist, xenophobic, fascist asshole.
Then there are those (you) that look for any other possibility no matter how far fetched in an effort to deflect from said racism.
The fact that these Trump assholes did this in the middle of the night within hours of the memorial's completion, on the day of the remembance ceremony should be an important clue.
Apparently not for you though.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I'm suggesting that there are other possibilities. That is the part that seems to baffle you.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Considering these are Trump supporters what other plausible explanation would there be given the facts?
That Trump supporters might resort to race baiting in order to troll a Black Frat seems to be what is baffling you.
You seem to have a distinct myopia when it comes to racism.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And run all my experiences through that filter before making an assessment.
Are you suggesting that every trump supporter is racist by default? If so that is just intellectually lazy.
An honest person would realize that some are, some aren't and thus no one knows the motivation behind the ad.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Why is that?
What is intellectually lazy is ignoring the facts surrounding this incident because you "don't see life through a racial lens" even though there is no 'lens' necessary in this case.
You seem to be playing a pointless game of Devils advocate. It comes off as insensitive and ignorant.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... to someone trying so hard to take offense
blackspade
(10,056 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)If you don't have the energy to type control F Tiptok... I can't help...
Maybe you need more protein in your diet. Pump up your pep...
blackspade
(10,056 posts)lame.
And still no answer.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I can't force you to read...
Horse to water and all that...
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Kingofalldems
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brush
(53,871 posts)The fraternity finished their rock painting for their next-day memorial at 2 o'clock in the morning so we know the Trump vandals were watching waiting for them to finish.
They did their dirty work in the dark so no one would see them, as if they couldn't wait a day to paint their Trump advertisement as if this two-year, endless political campaign doesn't have months and months and months more to go.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... In other posts and gets painted over several times a week.
I'm. Just suggesting it may not be as malevolent as folks are assuming.
brush
(53,871 posts)Why not wait until daytime like anyone else would?
Stop justifying racist crap.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The poster is baiting.
brush
(53,871 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Like normal college students.
brush
(53,871 posts)That's weak.
Students have schedule breaks. It's not like in high school.
And what about the fraternity students? They were able to work in the day and into the night to finish their memorial?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I'm suggesting reasonable alternatives.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Maybe they aren't morning people....
Obviously they disagreed with your assessment of the importance of the message.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd pretend that cowering behind implication is the same as "mere suggestion that something might not be racism..." too. Maybe it really is much more convenient to hide in many cases.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)The classic 'anyone who doesn't agree with what I think is racist, is in fact a racist' gambit.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)You look like a fool and you certainly don't look like a member of DU.
What you are doing is, in fact, making excuses for this behavior.
It's racism.
Stop trying to make excuses.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Where no one could put out ideas that you don't agree with.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)A memorial to a dead young black fraternity brother ...
-given the state of the country it's hard enough for a black person to live to 22, much less be in a college fraternity-
...and these people piss on that memorial by covering it with white paint and the campaign of the racist, bigot real estate swindler from new york.
Your view, then, if I understand it, is that this seems a big nothing, like maybe some lives don't matter?
You a big fan of that nazi loving freak?
xocet
(3,873 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)bastards can stop it any time they want to.
We were actually the first country to write racism into law, to say that black folks were not human beings.
No need to blame others. Those are uniquely American words and values.
xocet
(3,873 posts)Have you ever taken a look at the history of the law with respect to racism? It sounds like you may have. I had not. Thanks for causing me to take a look myself.
If you have not seen it before, here is a potentially interesting site:
Here is one that is not directly related, but is also interesting:
TipTok
(2,474 posts)You almost missed the bandwagon.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)you belong at redstate.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)this seems normal and unintentionally done like Germans making excuses for Nazis ,some may eventually find their white world being impacted by the actions down the line and too late
Only then will they stop excusing them
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,617 posts)Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric.
In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.
Mike Godwin
By the way, I know it's of no importance, but can anyone tell me anything about the person whose death the candlelight ceremony was supposed to make note of? The Interwebs are lacking.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)I don't think Godwin's Law should apply to anything Trump.
Let's face it, Trump supporters are a nasty bunch, bad enough that it's difficult to give them benefit of the doubt.
The fraternity's message was unique and it's not like "Trump 2016" is a rare sight.
I went to Northwestern, where there is also a painted rock, as someone who painted it, there was an understanding. Everyone was reasonable to expect that their message stay up for a day.
brer cat
(24,611 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,617 posts)The message painted on Beta Bridge is that of the last people who were there. If your group's message gets covered over, you're free to go back and paint it again. You don't own the bridge (it belongs to the city of Charlottesville), so the next group in line has every bit as much claim on the bridge as you do: none.
It took four hours to do that? I hope the second job goes more quickly.
Practice makes perfect.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,617 posts)It's eight o'clock in the evening where I am. I've been up for fourteen hours.
Have a cup of coffee. If Mormon, make that hot chocolate.
Mmmmmmmm. Isn't that delicious?
Best wishes.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)Glad it's still a thing. In the 80s the tradition was you had 2 people on station until dawn to make sure your message didn't get painted over. If you didn't bother than tough luck. I suppose JMU better adopt that tradition! Tuesday or Wednesday nights were more likely to last an extra day or maybe all week.
IIRC the Challenger memorial done by my fraternity lasted 3 whole days, but was only guarded the first night.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Not exactly that, but was wondering if it were a thing that was painted over. Reading the article it's worse that I could have imagined. They covered it over before the paint could dry, and right before a memorial. If there is a non-racist reason, I'd like to hear it, but there's no reason to leave the benefit of the doubt here.
DWinNJ
(261 posts)It is a common practice on many campuses that you need to earn the right, usually by charitable fundraising, to have a small boulder decorated as your group chooses. These are remain permanently or at least long term over a number of years. As more groups earn the right to decorate more boulders are placed rather than paint over old ones.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)According to the other more informative posts.
It seems that it gets repainted several time a week with no formal process as to who gets it or how long.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Just a little bit of disrespect going on there, I think, but obviously, YMMV.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)I hope they find the individual(s) responsible, and that they're held accountable to full extent. There really aren't words for adding to the suffering of the situation in such a horrible way.
Igel
(35,359 posts)The rock's been there for 4-5 years, and it gets painted often.
It was put there for that purpose. To be repainted in whatever "spirit" suited those painting, as long as it didn't constitute vandalism.
Not sure that a partisan political message suits the purpose of the rock, so perhaps that bit is "vandalism" (although I'm not sure Vandals would appreciate their ethnonym being used in this way).
I guess one question is, "How long should the memorial have stood there?" This isn't asking for an objection along the lines of "12 hours isn't enough time!" Would 24 hours be enough? 48? 72? A full week? Hard to say--a full week is apparently a long time for this rock to stay unscathed.
47of74
(18,470 posts)At long last, do you have no shame?
OnlinePoker
(5,726 posts)A rock by any other name would appear as dull as it is hard. However, the JMU Spirit Rock is not just any rock. Unveiled in 2011 on the Festival Lawn, the JMU Spirit Rock has come to be known as an endearing symbol of all that is great about JMU. It's frequently painted in loud and vibrant colors and is a place where people and organizations can converge to spread their messages and inform others of important things going on around campus.
http://www.jmu.edu/stories/ods/2014/03-07-the-spirit-rock.shtml
And from another article: Bill Wyatt with JMU said, "There are no regulations that govern who paints it and when or for how long the painting lasts."
http://www.whsv.com/content/news/JMU-Spirit-Rock-repainting-lights-up-social-media-374379731.html
It could just be (though unlikely) that whoever painted the Trump info wasn't aware of the significance of the previous paint job or the planned vigil.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The painting was completed at 10pm and then they had a candlelight vigil afterwards. Whomever painted it had to come in the dead of night.
I don't think it was an honest mistake.
OnlinePoker
(5,726 posts)They have repainted it today, apparently.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)They still were there late enough where it was highly unlikely that a group of students just got the urge to go paint that rock in the middle of the night.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)At two schools in my area, if you paint a rock and want it to stay that way, you need to have people camped out to guard it.
If the rock is unguarded, anybody can come by and paint it.
If this rock was painted by a fraternity, they have the organization (and first-year members) to guard it.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)Ultimately, no harm done. The individual was properly honored.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)..to paint it white. No symbolism there, right?
intrepidity
(7,336 posts)the purple rock clearly states the death date as being 3/29/2016.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Limited by their education and intellectual capacity. Too ignorant to know that they use Arabic (muslim) numerals and what they are.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)I'd be looking for someone working for a newspaper (provided people can still handle a joke around here, sigh) you see shit like this you have to create humor otherwise they win. They want to see people angry. Fuck that shit. I used to get off at those hours from the paper.. Sometimes some of them were rather HIGH on meth , didn't know it until at least one was arrested for it. ie don't deal and use at the same time thump next . Just paint over it again this time have someone with a red nose and a taser up his arm and obvious backup for the next moron who wants to do some more bad painting...
metroins
(2,550 posts)That gets painted by anybody, at any time?
I thought this was a progressive board...Tasing people is not cool.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Wow...
Any other speech that deserves violence and a taze?
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,617 posts)We're only up to the mid-60s for a post count. Give it some time. It will get worse.
I'd bet a can of Krylon on it.
To paraphrase Louis Brandeis, the cure for a paint job is another paint job.
Best wishes. Have some popcorn.
red dog 1
(27,857 posts)so they'll get caught
(Aren't there any surveillance cameras that can be checked?)
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Anyone can paint on it.
That's why it's there.
What would you suggest 'they' do with them when they are 'caught'?
Angry glares?
Ford_Prefect
(7,921 posts)They clearly did so to make the obvious racist point. This was not a harmless prankster or some un-informed innocent. The purpose of the memorial paint was known on campus. This was done to insult the memorial and those who painted it. Social domination was the purpose just as it was in 1933, and 1956, and 1964.
There are NO excuses for hatred. Those who make them for actions like this one ignore the calculated nature of the attacks. Ignorance, competing message, "Fairness", fraternity hi-jinks, all those excuses are hollow shams to cover the real sources of these kinds of activities.
Get over yourselves and open your eyes!
Pathetic excuses are crap logic and disrespectful, and should have no place on a Democratic forum.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)rocktivity
(44,577 posts)rocktivity
blackspade
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sofa king
(10,857 posts)For shame. They represent the darkest, oozing orifice of our past.
jonks2746
(41 posts)And just when I thought Trump's supporters couldn't go any lower...
Darb
(2,807 posts)from what I have read there is no evidence of malice. I am sure that the Trumpnuts could have done it with the intent of being dicks and covering up the preceding message about the guy that died. But is there evidence of this? Seems the rock is being painted all the time and no rules are in place for whether or not something stays or goes.
I am of the opinion that the Trump assholes are just oblivious. As are probably all of them, oblivious. After all, they are Trump voters.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Hard to say trump voters or their apologists?. IMO trump voters are not nuts and know what they are doing. The apologists? Well through history they just don't have a good rep either
One can't get too far without the support, or apathy of the other
Darb
(2,807 posts)So your proof of malice is it happened late? OK, got it. So, since you know so goddamend much, tell me, has any other group painted that rock in the middle of the night?
I'm not apologizing for the Trump asshats, just saying there might be another explanation, and that is obtuseness. But, go ahead, you are the alum.
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