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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:01 PM Apr 2016

Trump Supporters Paint Over Memorial Dedicated To 22yo Omega Psi Phi Law Student Who Lost His Life

Source: WatchTheYard

Members of Black greekdom have taken to the internet in outrage after a memorial dedicated to, Jeffrey Allan Matthews, a deceased member of Omega Psi Phi at James Madison University in Virginia was painted over with the words “TRUMP 2016”.

According to social media posts about the incident, a 22-year-old member of the black fraternity had lost his life earlier this week and friends had spent four hours on Friday creating the memorial on a rock for a candlelight vigil that they are holding tonight at 8pm.

Students woke up to the memorial early this morning covered with the “#TRUMPTRAIN” and “TRUMP 2016”. According to a source who reached out to WatchTheYard.com, the Omega vigil was last seen at 2am and the Trump one was seen at 7am, meaning that the vigil was only up for a total of 5 hours and someone decided to paint over it between the hours of 2 and 7am on a Saturday morning.


Read more: http://www.watchtheyard.com/colleges/trump-omega-psi-phi-rock/

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Trump Supporters Paint Over Memorial Dedicated To 22yo Omega Psi Phi Law Student Who Lost His Life (Original Post) NWCorona Apr 2016 OP
... shenmue Apr 2016 #1
and they say they aren't racist? SummerSnow Apr 2016 #2
I know right? NWCorona Apr 2016 #4
Oh yes they do! Sophiegirl Apr 2016 #25
I think there are definitely those out there and it's magnified when in groups NWCorona Apr 2016 #28
^^^Absolute Bullshit ^^^ lunasun Apr 2016 #108
They are some sick individuals. Seem to be polar opposites to the Bernie folks. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #3
I figured someone would go there and it's unfortunate NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
Never miss an opportunity, right? NBachers Apr 2016 #7
Nope! NWCorona Apr 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Apr 2016 #91
It is the truth. Deal with it. nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Apr 2016 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Sophiegirl Apr 2016 #37
Polar opposites to all decent folks, no matter who their candidate is. Contrary1 Apr 2016 #62
how do you do this kind of thing? What is so missing in your soul that you can roguevalley Apr 2016 #5
Absolutely despicable... (nt) petronius Apr 2016 #8
I think some folks are projecting... TipTok Apr 2016 #10
The date of his death was 3/29/2016. They painted it the night before during a memorial Warpy Apr 2016 #12
Exactly NWCorona Apr 2016 #15
Seems not Warpy Apr 2016 #18
I looked in the article... TipTok Apr 2016 #17
It's not an issue of ownership NWCorona Apr 2016 #20
+ 1000 Justice Apr 2016 #29
According to the post down below... TipTok Apr 2016 #33
I think that's for public option to decide NWCorona Apr 2016 #38
FFS! What don't you get! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #56
You'll have to be more specific... TipTok Apr 2016 #58
Whatever, I'm placing you on IGNORE! You, have nothing worth listening too! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #60
*to TipTok Apr 2016 #63
You are a negative meanie HOPNOSH Apr 2016 #114
Exactly! It's revolting and disrespectful to say the least. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #128
Here is some information regarding the rock... xocet Apr 2016 #41
Jesus fucking Christ tabasco Apr 2016 #46
Why on earth would you try to justify this filthy act? You seem to be missing a lot, like respect. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #47
For some posters here SwankyXomb Apr 2016 #75
You're actually defending this? brush Apr 2016 #101
This is nothing to do with property rights; it is to do with defacing a memorial to a student who LeftishBrit Apr 2016 #116
How long before it isn't offensive? TipTok Apr 2016 #117
Do you encourage ppl to take flowers from graves tavernier Apr 2016 #125
I remembered what this reminds me of... TipTok Apr 2016 #126
Thanks for setting the poster straight. Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #34
Really? NWCorona Apr 2016 #13
Last week it may have had an advertisement for a kegger... TipTok Apr 2016 #23
Get over yourself and gtfo with that Freeper talk Roland99 Apr 2016 #24
Aren't you the friendly one? TipTok Apr 2016 #31
You're way off on this one. panader0 Apr 2016 #39
Maybe they didn't get the Evite. TipTok Apr 2016 #50
Regardless how much it changed color in the past, a death memorium is different Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #40
Here's some F'en fresh air! IGNORE! You, have nothing to contribute! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #59
This is some pretty low level trolling on your part Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #54
I hope you have a lovely day... TipTok Apr 2016 #57
Wow, you really read a lot into what I said Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #65
Enjoy the sunshine... TipTok Apr 2016 #66
I'm guessing your pizza delivery will be arriving soon. blackspade Apr 2016 #79
As stated before... TipTok Apr 2016 #80
It does say a lot. blackspade Apr 2016 #93
I'm not declaring that it absolutely wasn't racism... TipTok Apr 2016 #95
And what possibilities would those be? blackspade Apr 2016 #96
I just don't see life through a racial lens... TipTok Apr 2016 #97
You didn't answer my question. blackspade Apr 2016 #99
I suspect that most folks seem insensitive... TipTok Apr 2016 #100
Still no answer. blackspade Apr 2016 #105
It's spread through various posts in this very thread... TipTok Apr 2016 #110
More passive aggressive bullshit on your part. blackspade Apr 2016 #113
It's all there... TipTok Apr 2016 #115
I guess I'll leave you to your delusions. blackspade Apr 2016 #119
Ok... TipTok Apr 2016 #123
Well said. Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #98
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #84
Stop twisting yourself in pretzels to try to make this seem like it wasn't racism brush Apr 2016 #102
It appears to be free game based on the info provided... TipTok Apr 2016 #103
Why'd they wait to do it in the dark then where no one could see them? brush Apr 2016 #104
There won't be an answer. blackspade Apr 2016 #106
I think you're right. Wonder what they get out of that? brush Apr 2016 #107
Maybe they have class during the day... TipTok Apr 2016 #109
All day? Guess you never went to college. brush Apr 2016 #111
Again... I'm not claiming certain and absolute knowledge.. TipTok Apr 2016 #112
YMMV. TipTok Apr 2016 #124
I'd pretend that cowering behind implication is the same as LanternWaste Apr 2016 #120
Interesting... TipTok Apr 2016 #122
You maaay want to walk that one back. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2016 #78
You need to stop. Just stop. Raine1967 Apr 2016 #85
Maybe you would benefit from a 'safe space'... TipTok Apr 2016 #92
And maybe white folks make too many excuses for blatant racism. jtuck004 Apr 2016 #16
White folks? Where and how many? Are the Danish the source of the problem? Maybe, the Swedes.... xocet Apr 2016 #43
No, the ones in the U.S.who persist in keeping racism alive. They are the source, and the racist jtuck004 Apr 2016 #86
Good clarification. xocet Apr 2016 #94
Phew... Good thing you hustled... TipTok Apr 2016 #68
you're in the wrong place. rockfordfile Apr 2016 #69
Almost overwhelming. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #88
I noticed that always many excuses, this was done between 2 to 7 am but in their fantasy world Person 2713 Apr 2016 #130
It took 130 posts, but we have our Godwin. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #131
Trump is fascist, let's face it MountCleaners Apr 2016 #132
I think some folks are tone deaf. eom brer cat Apr 2016 #19
Very NWCorona Apr 2016 #22
It sounds like Beta Bridge in Charlottesville. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #45
WTFing message board did I wake to greiner3 Apr 2016 #48
I haven't the slightest idea. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #53
Beta Bridge FreedomRain Apr 2016 #89
I thought that going into the Article Lordquinton Apr 2016 #49
Common practice DWinNJ Apr 2016 #72
That doesn't seem to be the case for this specific rock... TipTok Apr 2016 #74
Look at the time between when the rock was painted, and then painted over. AngryOldDem Apr 2016 #118
Terrible :( Kittycat Apr 2016 #11
Not sure what the "full extent" would be. Igel Apr 2016 #36
Trump supporters, have you no shame? 47of74 Apr 2016 #14
This is the rock in question OnlinePoker Apr 2016 #21
I get that but NWCorona Apr 2016 #26
Actually, the vigil is scheduled for tonight. OnlinePoker Apr 2016 #27
That's even worse NWCorona Apr 2016 #32
It's not the only college with a rock to paint JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #81
Good. So, the rock was appropriately painted for the candle-light service. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #83
Made sure though... Sophiegirl Apr 2016 #30
Trump supporters cannot read Roman numerals intrepidity Apr 2016 #35
DrumpFürher supporters are limited to read Muslim numerals (Arabic numerals) Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #42
night owls PatrynXX Apr 2016 #44
Taser them for painting a rock? metroins Apr 2016 #55
Well... That was hypocritical... TipTok Apr 2016 #61
Just the speech we disagree with. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #71
I hope whoever did this tries to do it again, red dog 1 Apr 2016 #51
Caught by whom? TipTok Apr 2016 #64
The sick sad Fuckup that painted it over had to know what it was about. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #67
A racist is a pos and the pos thought they would cause trouble rockfordfile Apr 2016 #70
Paint it back -- and paint it black rocktivity Apr 2016 #73
Racist fucks. blackspade Apr 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #77
And they call themselves Virginians. sofa king Apr 2016 #82
Bunch of racist idiots jonks2746 Apr 2016 #87
I know that I will get ripped, like an individual above, but Darb Apr 2016 #121
Yes sure paint rocks Between 2am -7am in the dark . Who seems more oblivious ? Person 2713 Apr 2016 #129
Do you go to school there? Are you an alum? Darb Apr 2016 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #127

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
28. I think there are definitely those out there and it's magnified when in groups
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

But there is also a portion that fail to realize that they have racial issues themselves.

Response to NBachers (Reply #7)

Response to NWCorona (Reply #6)

Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #3)

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
10. I think some folks are projecting...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

This wasn't a memorial that had stood for years and years.

It looks like a rock that gets painted over and over depending on what is going on.


Warpy

(111,352 posts)
12. The date of his death was 3/29/2016. They painted it the night before during a memorial
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

The hurt is still raw. This isn't just tacky, it's hateful.

Surprised anyone is missing that.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
17. I looked in the article...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

... But didn't see where the rock was the property of the fraternity.

I may have missed it.

If not, one group's claim is just as valid as another unless there is a formal process to request rock advertising time.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
20. It's not an issue of ownership
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

It's an issue of class and respect.

I guess some people think otherwise.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
33. According to the post down below...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

... Explaining that there are no rules or ownership of the rock...

At what point does the message go from obvious racism to just being the next guy in line?

One day? Three? A month?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
38. I think that's for public option to decide
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

And it's not looking good for the trump painters. But definitely at least let the paint dry out so how about 24 hrs

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
58. You'll have to be more specific...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

Which part was unclear?

The bit about the rock being open to anyone who wants to paint on it?

xocet

(3,873 posts)
41. Here is some information regarding the rock...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016
The Madison Society: Out of the Box
By Nikki Parrotte ('11), JMU Public Affairs

The Madison Society revealed its true identity and purpose on Tuesday, March 15, by unveiling a "spirit rock" on the east campus meadow adjacent to the construction site of the new biosciences building. The newly formed Madison Society hopes the rock sparks a new JMU tradition—JMU community members showing their JMU spirit by painting the rock.

Rumors swirling around the unexpected placement of a sizable box and mysterious markings around campus were finally put to rest at the afternoon event. "The Madison Society is a group that wants to work toward both initiating, and more importantly, supporting positive traditions through the culture of the JMU community," said Dave Barnes, director of university unions and founder of The Madison Society.

At the event, students, faculty and staff participated in the first ever painting of the rock. Barnes hopes it catches on.

"It was a lot of fun and hopefully in a week people will paint it again," he said. "I want to make sure people know this is not a one-time thing. The whole idea is we want it to be touched as often as people feel inspired and want to do so. . . . People feel so strongly about JMU. There’s got to be some way to share that and to manifest that.

...

http://www.jmu.edu/news/2011MadisonSociety2.shtml


Respect the rock: New organization places large rock on Festival Lawn for people to paint messages
Aaron Koepper | Mar 17, 2011

...

The Madison Society, a new organization of JMU faculty and administrators, unveiled the rock in the rain at 4 p.m. on Tuesday as part of the organization's goal of maintaining and creating traditions at JMU.

...

"It's our hope that student groups will paint the rock in whatever spirit they feel," said Dave Barnes, the director of University Unions and part of the Madison Society's membership committee.


...

Barnes said he hoped there would be no vandalism of the rock, citing one central rule.

"We only ask that the community, ‘Respect the rock,' and what it stands for," Barnes said. "We want all to think of it as a positive symbol of the JMU community."

...

http://www.breezejmu.org/news/respect-the-rock-new-organization-places-large-rock-on-festival/article_b933399a-502b-11e0-a4d1-0017a4a78c22.html


JMU Spirit Rock repainting lights up social media
By Janson Silvers | Posted: Sat 5:32 PM, Apr 02, 2016 | Updated: Sat 5:34 PM, Apr 02, 2016

HARRISONBURG, Va. (WHSV) -- The Spirit Rock at James Madison University was painted Friday night to honor a dead fraternity alumnus, but Saturday morning it was painted-over with "Trump 2016." That's causing an uproar that's trending right now on social media.

...

JMU's chapter of the Omega Psi Phi - ??? - fraternity said they painted a memorial on the Spirit Rock in honor of one of their brothers --Jeffery Matthews, Jr.-- who died on Tuesday. After hours of painting on Friday night they finished it in time for the vigil on Saturday. They woke up Saturday morning to the rock repainted with support of Donald Trump, and their memorial was gone.

...

Bill Wyatt with JMU said, "There are no regulations that govern who paints it and when or for how long the painting lasts."

That vigil for Jeffrey Matthews, Jr., will be held at the Spirit Rock, at 8:00 p.m. Saturday, April 2. Vigil organizers want everyone to know this is all about celebrating his life and who he was as a person.


http://www.whsv.com/content/news/JMU-Spirit-Rock-repainting-lights-up-social-media-374379731.html



From what was in the article and from what was available online regarding the use of the rock it seems fairly clear that painting the rock over with #TrumpTrain and Trump 2016 is a passive-aggressive way to destroy someone else's work - work that had yet to see the light of day. Why else do this in the dark of the night before the other message had even be able to be observed by anyone other than those who had completed the work?

Of course, the most likely answer is that the people who are doing the painting don't want to be exposed as the kind of individuals that they are. It is not like they were alerting the campus to an upcoming Trump event as Trump is campaigning in WI - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule.



Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
47. Why on earth would you try to justify this filthy act? You seem to be missing a lot, like respect.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

Attempting to describe "rock advertising time" to everyone is clearly clumsy, and odd.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
116. This is nothing to do with property rights; it is to do with defacing a memorial to a student who
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

died very young and very recently.

tavernier

(12,406 posts)
125. Do you encourage ppl to take flowers from graves
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

because the dead guy won't enjoy them anyway?

When common sense and decency is no longer practiced in a society, soon the decay takes over. Many civilizations have ended this way.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
126. I remembered what this reminds me of...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

There was a guy who died in the street and some folks put up a memorial in the middle of the road and proceeded to be shocked and offended when it was run over.

I think they may have claimed racism as well. Can't remember the specifics.

If you want a lasting memorial, don't put it in a place where it is near certain it will get removed or destroyed.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
13. Really?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

It took the frat 7-8 hours to paint with them finishing at 10pm. It's painted over by morning and they are "projecting "?

Ok

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
23. Last week it may have had an advertisement for a kegger...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

I'm simply saying that I suspect that the rock changes colors and messages frequently and it is a leap to assume the it must be racism.


panader0

(25,816 posts)
39. You're way off on this one.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

It doesn't matter if the rock was frequently painted over. The memorial was to be tonight.
What the tRump people did was despicable, and you are in denial. And maybe more.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
40. Regardless how much it changed color in the past, a death memorium is different
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

Most people see and take note of the difference and would leave it untouched for a long time.

When we also account for the fact that it was not simply painted over, but painted over with political advertising for a racist fascist misogynist, then your remarks are very inexplicable and are more reminiscent of the aforementioned site than this one.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
57. I hope you have a lovely day...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should go outside with the other guy for some fresh air.

If the mere suggestion that something might not be racism infuriates you so... Along with several logical reason... It might be time for a break and some perspective.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
65. Wow, you really read a lot into what I said
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

To think that it infuriates me? No, I just think you're working some low level trolling that's not particularly well done. It's more comical than anything else. I'm not infuriated by you. I'm laughing at you. Because that's all that the trolling you're performing is worth.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
66. Enjoy the sunshine...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe while you are out getting some vitamin D, you can self reflect on why you think someone is 'trolling' if they don't immediately hop on the racism bandwagon.

I would humbly suggest that it says more about you than it does me.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
79. I'm guessing your pizza delivery will be arriving soon.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

Your pathetic defense of racism has been noted.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
80. As stated before...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

It says more about the folks who automatically leap to that conclusion and can't conceive any other motivation than racism than it does about the second rock painters.

Maybe it was racism or maybe it wasn't but it seems closed minded to not even discuss the alternatives and to shout down anyone who does.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
93. It does say a lot.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

That some people can see actions for what they are, a deliberate attempt to provoke racial tensions in the name of a racist, xenophobic, fascist asshole.

Then there are those (you) that look for any other possibility no matter how far fetched in an effort to deflect from said racism.

The fact that these Trump assholes did this in the middle of the night within hours of the memorial's completion, on the day of the remembance ceremony should be an important clue.
Apparently not for you though.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
95. I'm not declaring that it absolutely wasn't racism...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

I'm suggesting that there are other possibilities. That is the part that seems to baffle you.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
96. And what possibilities would those be?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

Considering these are Trump supporters what other plausible explanation would there be given the facts?

That Trump supporters might resort to race baiting in order to troll a Black Frat seems to be what is baffling you.
You seem to have a distinct myopia when it comes to racism.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
97. I just don't see life through a racial lens...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

... And run all my experiences through that filter before making an assessment.

Are you suggesting that every trump supporter is racist by default? If so that is just intellectually lazy.

An honest person would realize that some are, some aren't and thus no one knows the motivation behind the ad.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
99. You didn't answer my question.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

Why is that?

What is intellectually lazy is ignoring the facts surrounding this incident because you "don't see life through a racial lens" even though there is no 'lens' necessary in this case.

You seem to be playing a pointless game of Devils advocate. It comes off as insensitive and ignorant.


 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
110. It's spread through various posts in this very thread...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

If you don't have the energy to type control F Tiptok... I can't help...

Maybe you need more protein in your diet. Pump up your pep...

Response to TipTok (Reply #57)

brush

(53,871 posts)
102. Stop twisting yourself in pretzels to try to make this seem like it wasn't racism
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

The fraternity finished their rock painting for their next-day memorial at 2 o'clock in the morning so we know the Trump vandals were watching waiting for them to finish.

They did their dirty work in the dark so no one would see them, as if they couldn't wait a day to paint their Trump advertisement — as if this two-year, endless political campaign doesn't have months and months and months more to go.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
103. It appears to be free game based on the info provided...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:22 PM
Apr 2016

... In other posts and gets painted over several times a week.

I'm. Just suggesting it may not be as malevolent as folks are assuming.

brush

(53,871 posts)
104. Why'd they wait to do it in the dark then where no one could see them?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

Why not wait until daytime like anyone else would?

Stop justifying racist crap.

brush

(53,871 posts)
111. All day? Guess you never went to college.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

That's weak.

Students have schedule breaks. It's not like in high school.

And what about the fraternity students? They were able to work in the day and into the night to finish their memorial?

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
112. Again... I'm not claiming certain and absolute knowledge..
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

I'm suggesting reasonable alternatives.

Maybe yes, maybe no.

Maybe they aren't morning people....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
120. I'd pretend that cowering behind implication is the same as
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:24 AM
Apr 2016

I'd pretend that cowering behind implication is the same as "mere suggestion that something might not be racism..." too. Maybe it really is much more convenient to hide in many cases.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
122. Interesting...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

The classic 'anyone who doesn't agree with what I think is racist, is in fact a racist' gambit.


Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
85. You need to stop. Just stop.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

You look like a fool and you certainly don't look like a member of DU.

What you are doing is, in fact, making excuses for this behavior.

It's racism.

Stop trying to make excuses.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
92. Maybe you would benefit from a 'safe space'...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

... Where no one could put out ideas that you don't agree with.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
16. And maybe white folks make too many excuses for blatant racism.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

A memorial to a dead young black fraternity brother ...

-given the state of the country it's hard enough for a black person to live to 22, much less be in a college fraternity-

...and these people piss on that memorial by covering it with white paint and the campaign of the racist, bigot real estate swindler from new york.

Your view, then, if I understand it, is that this seems a big nothing, like maybe some lives don't matter?

You a big fan of that nazi loving freak?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
86. No, the ones in the U.S.who persist in keeping racism alive. They are the source, and the racist
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

bastards can stop it any time they want to.

We were actually the first country to write racism into law, to say that black folks were not human beings.

No need to blame others. Those are uniquely American words and values.


xocet

(3,873 posts)
94. Good clarification.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Have you ever taken a look at the history of the law with respect to racism? It sounds like you may have. I had not. Thanks for causing me to take a look myself.

If you have not seen it before, here is a potentially interesting site:



Here is one that is not directly related, but is also interesting:




Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
130. I noticed that always many excuses, this was done between 2 to 7 am but in their fantasy world
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

this seems normal and unintentionally done like Germans making excuses for Nazis ,some may eventually find their white world being impacted by the actions down the line and too late

Only then will they stop excusing them

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,617 posts)
131. It took 130 posts, but we have our Godwin.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016
Godwin's law

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"—​​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric.

In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.



Mike Godwin

By the way, I know it's of no importance, but can anyone tell me anything about the person whose death the candlelight ceremony was supposed to make note of? The Interwebs are lacking.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
132. Trump is fascist, let's face it
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think Godwin's Law should apply to anything Trump.

Let's face it, Trump supporters are a nasty bunch, bad enough that it's difficult to give them benefit of the doubt.

The fraternity's message was unique and it's not like "Trump 2016" is a rare sight.

I went to Northwestern, where there is also a painted rock, as someone who painted it, there was an understanding. Everyone was reasonable to expect that their message stay up for a day.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,617 posts)
45. It sounds like Beta Bridge in Charlottesville.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

The message painted on Beta Bridge is that of the last people who were there. If your group's message gets covered over, you're free to go back and paint it again. You don't own the bridge (it belongs to the city of Charlottesville), so the next group in line has every bit as much claim on the bridge as you do: none.

"... friends had spent four hours on Friday creating the memorial on a rock...."

It took four hours to do that? I hope the second job goes more quickly.

Practice makes perfect.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,617 posts)
53. I haven't the slightest idea.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

It's eight o'clock in the evening where I am. I've been up for fourteen hours.

Have a cup of coffee. If Mormon, make that hot chocolate.

Mmmmmmmm. Isn't that delicious?

Best wishes.

FreedomRain

(413 posts)
89. Beta Bridge
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

Glad it's still a thing. In the 80s the tradition was you had 2 people on station until dawn to make sure your message didn't get painted over. If you didn't bother than tough luck. I suppose JMU better adopt that tradition! Tuesday or Wednesday nights were more likely to last an extra day or maybe all week.
IIRC the Challenger memorial done by my fraternity lasted 3 whole days, but was only guarded the first night.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
49. I thought that going into the Article
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

Not exactly that, but was wondering if it were a thing that was painted over. Reading the article it's worse that I could have imagined. They covered it over before the paint could dry, and right before a memorial. If there is a non-racist reason, I'd like to hear it, but there's no reason to leave the benefit of the doubt here.

DWinNJ

(261 posts)
72. Common practice
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

It is a common practice on many campuses that you need to earn the right, usually by charitable fundraising, to have a small boulder decorated as your group chooses. These are remain permanently or at least long term over a number of years. As more groups earn the right to decorate more boulders are placed rather than paint over old ones.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
74. That doesn't seem to be the case for this specific rock...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

According to the other more informative posts.

It seems that it gets repainted several time a week with no formal process as to who gets it or how long.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
118. Look at the time between when the rock was painted, and then painted over.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:18 AM
Apr 2016

Just a little bit of disrespect going on there, I think, but obviously, YMMV.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
11. Terrible :(
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

I hope they find the individual(s) responsible, and that they're held accountable to full extent. There really aren't words for adding to the suffering of the situation in such a horrible way.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
36. Not sure what the "full extent" would be.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:48 PM
Apr 2016

The rock's been there for 4-5 years, and it gets painted often.

It was put there for that purpose. To be repainted in whatever "spirit" suited those painting, as long as it didn't constitute vandalism.

Not sure that a partisan political message suits the purpose of the rock, so perhaps that bit is "vandalism" (although I'm not sure Vandals would appreciate their ethnonym being used in this way).

I guess one question is, "How long should the memorial have stood there?" This isn't asking for an objection along the lines of "12 hours isn't enough time!" Would 24 hours be enough? 48? 72? A full week? Hard to say--a full week is apparently a long time for this rock to stay unscathed.

OnlinePoker

(5,726 posts)
21. This is the rock in question
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

A rock by any other name would appear as dull as it is hard. However, the JMU Spirit Rock is not just any rock. Unveiled in 2011 on the Festival Lawn, the JMU Spirit Rock has come to be known as an endearing symbol of all that is great about JMU. It's frequently painted in loud and vibrant colors and is a place where people and organizations can converge to spread their messages and inform others of important things going on around campus.

http://www.jmu.edu/stories/ods/2014/03-07-the-spirit-rock.shtml

And from another article: Bill Wyatt with JMU said, "There are no regulations that govern who paints it and when or for how long the painting lasts."

http://www.whsv.com/content/news/JMU-Spirit-Rock-repainting-lights-up-social-media-374379731.html

It could just be (though unlikely) that whoever painted the Trump info wasn't aware of the significance of the previous paint job or the planned vigil.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
26. I get that but
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

The painting was completed at 10pm and then they had a candlelight vigil afterwards. Whomever painted it had to come in the dead of night.

I don't think it was an honest mistake.


NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
32. That's even worse
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

They still were there late enough where it was highly unlikely that a group of students just got the urge to go paint that rock in the middle of the night.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
81. It's not the only college with a rock to paint
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

At two schools in my area, if you paint a rock and want it to stay that way, you need to have people camped out to guard it.

If the rock is unguarded, anybody can come by and paint it.

If this rock was painted by a fraternity, they have the organization (and first-year members) to guard it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
83. Good. So, the rock was appropriately painted for the candle-light service.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

Ultimately, no harm done. The individual was properly honored.

intrepidity

(7,336 posts)
35. Trump supporters cannot read Roman numerals
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

the purple rock clearly states the death date as being 3/29/2016.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
42. DrumpFürher supporters are limited to read Muslim numerals (Arabic numerals)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

Limited by their education and intellectual capacity. Too ignorant to know that they use Arabic (muslim) numerals and what they are.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
44. night owls
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

I'd be looking for someone working for a newspaper (provided people can still handle a joke around here, sigh) you see shit like this you have to create humor otherwise they win. They want to see people angry. Fuck that shit. I used to get off at those hours from the paper.. Sometimes some of them were rather HIGH on meth , didn't know it until at least one was arrested for it. ie don't deal and use at the same time thump next . Just paint over it again this time have someone with a red nose and a taser up his arm and obvious backup for the next moron who wants to do some more bad painting...

metroins

(2,550 posts)
55. Taser them for painting a rock?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

That gets painted by anybody, at any time?

I thought this was a progressive board...Tasing people is not cool.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,617 posts)
71. Just the speech we disagree with.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

We're only up to the mid-60s for a post count. Give it some time. It will get worse.

I'd bet a can of Krylon on it.

To paraphrase Louis Brandeis, the cure for a paint job is another paint job.

Best wishes. Have some popcorn.

red dog 1

(27,857 posts)
51. I hope whoever did this tries to do it again,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

so they'll get caught

(Aren't there any surveillance cameras that can be checked?)

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
64. Caught by whom?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone can paint on it.

That's why it's there.

What would you suggest 'they' do with them when they are 'caught'?

Angry glares?

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
67. The sick sad Fuckup that painted it over had to know what it was about.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

They clearly did so to make the obvious racist point. This was not a harmless prankster or some un-informed innocent. The purpose of the memorial paint was known on campus. This was done to insult the memorial and those who painted it. Social domination was the purpose just as it was in 1933, and 1956, and 1964.

There are NO excuses for hatred. Those who make them for actions like this one ignore the calculated nature of the attacks. Ignorance, competing message, "Fairness", fraternity hi-jinks, all those excuses are hollow shams to cover the real sources of these kinds of activities.

Get over yourselves and open your eyes!

Pathetic excuses are crap logic and disrespectful, and should have no place on a Democratic forum.

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sofa king

(10,857 posts)
82. And they call themselves Virginians.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

For shame. They represent the darkest, oozing orifice of our past.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
121. I know that I will get ripped, like an individual above, but
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

from what I have read there is no evidence of malice. I am sure that the Trumpnuts could have done it with the intent of being dicks and covering up the preceding message about the guy that died. But is there evidence of this? Seems the rock is being painted all the time and no rules are in place for whether or not something stays or goes.

I am of the opinion that the Trump assholes are just oblivious. As are probably all of them, oblivious. After all, they are Trump voters.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
129. Yes sure paint rocks Between 2am -7am in the dark . Who seems more oblivious ?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

Hard to say trump voters or their apologists?. IMO trump voters are not nuts and know what they are doing. The apologists? Well through history they just don't have a good rep either
One can't get too far without the support, or apathy of the other

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
133. Do you go to school there? Are you an alum?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

So your proof of malice is it happened late? OK, got it. So, since you know so goddamend much, tell me, has any other group painted that rock in the middle of the night?

I'm not apologizing for the Trump asshats, just saying there might be another explanation, and that is obtuseness. But, go ahead, you are the alum.

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